Poorly constructed for 2009?

[richfame]

I know we are all looking for answers why this team has not fired yet. One thing ive noticed over the past 10 years of watching this game is that solid guard play is more beneficial than solid post players. I think this is part of our problem.

The game today is not meant for a big to suceed. FIrst of all the refereeing is awful these days. The amount of ticky tac fouls called on bigs just makes me sick. Hibbert was most prone to this, even monroe picks up fouls 30 ft from the bucket and it just kills us. Its not all his fault centers are bigger and slower than guards. But it takes the center out of the game and for us monroe being our best player and really our true p oint guard out there it KILLS us.

That being said the biggest assets are 3 point shooters. Guys like Curry, or look at Rautins today they just kill us. The problem is our guards arent greqt 3 point shooters and most certainly cant create there own 3 point shot. Freemen although a very good mid range player is too slow and cant creat it, nor can summers and his set shot. Thats why teams like WV, Marquette, and ND'S have been successful cause when the bigs are out of the game they hoist up the 3's to stay in teh game till the team is back up to full strength.

I wish it was 15 years ago and the big east has a 6 fould rule i think that would help us very much. Wishfull thinking is guess. I think moving forward we have to recruit more 3 point speciaists or guards that can create there own shot a bit better. Cause its just a guards game and i see struggles when a center is our best player.

[OldHoyafan]

Feb 14, 2009 13:07:29 GMT -5 richfame said:

I know we are all looking for answers why this team has not fired yet. One thing ive noticed over the past 10 years of watching this game is that solid guard play is more beneficial than solid post players. I think this is part of our problem.

The game today is not meant for a big to suceed. FIrst of all the refereeing is awful these days. The amount of ticky tac fouls called on bigs just makes me sick. Hibbert was most prone to this, even monroe picks up fouls 30 ft from the bucket and it just kills us. Its not all his fault centers are bigger and slower than guards. But it takes the center out of the game and for us monroe being our best player and really our true p oint guard out there it KILLS us.

That being said the biggest assets are 3 point shooters. Guys like Curry, or look at Rautins today they just kill us. The problem is our guards arent greqt 3 point shooters and most certainly cant create there own 3 point shot. Freemen although a very good mid range player is too slow and cant creat it, nor can summers and his set shot. Thats why teams like WV, Marquette, and ND'S have been successful cause when the bigs are out of the game they hoist up the 3's to stay in teh game till the team is back up to full strength.

I wish it was 15 years ago and the big east has a 6 fould rule i think that would help us very much. Wishfull thinking is guess. I think moving forward we have to recruit more 3 point speciaists or guards that can create there own shot a bit better. Cause its just a guards game and i see struggles when a center is our best player.

Good points but this team was not put together this way by design by JT3. The transfer of Macklin and Rivers and the decommit by Braswell has had a negative effect.

[prhoya]

No way Macklin and/or Rivers add anything to this team! In fact, they brought more chaos and inconsistency to the court. We would suck even more!

[757hoyafan]

Ask J. Flynn about Rivers.

[prhoya]

One play does not make a good palyer.

[richfame]

This game just proves my points. Having DEVO, Rautins, Flynn that can all hit dagger 3's is much more important than having a dominant BIG. We dont press or have a pressure defense or shoot teh 3 well enough .. Just not playing 2009 hoops unfort.

[royski]

Feb 14, 2009 14:19:59 GMT -5 757hoyafan said:

Ask J. Flynn about Rivers.

Better yet, ask Ty Lawson.

[idhoya]

Need someone to protect the paint. Shooters are fine, but if they're not hittin, gotta have a presence in the middle on both ends. Rick Jackson type really. 6'8 banger with skills.

[smittydakid]

We don't have great guards or post men. Out whole team is bad defensively. Our guards shoot below average from 3 and we can't rebound. That's a bad combintation.

[richfame]

My take is our program has certainly come alot way. We are not in the dark ages as was the case at the end of POPS era nor are we playing 2009 basketball. I think we are somewhere in the middle. I think we have to play with more defensive iintensity. This means lets press from time to time. CW would be great on teh point of any press. If not press, lets throw a half court pressure trap in here. Watch marquette, or old school UCONN or kentucky.

On offense we dont need thugs we need guys to hit the 3. The game is drive and kick, or into the p ost and kick. Thats basketball today.

[SirSaxa]

Team is young. Not enough size/depth up front.
But if Greg returns and we lose only Jessie and DaJuan, gain Hollis, the team will be improved from this year. Especially if we can get a lot more from Vaughan and SIms.

[the_way]

Poorly constructed may be too strong of a description, but the main problem is this team is begging for leadership.

And everybody on this team are placed in new roles this year, including Sapp and Summers.

for the 1st time in his career, Summers is looked as one of the main guys.

for the 1st time in his career, Sapp doesn't have J Wallace as his security blanket and partner in crime in the backcourt that he could play off of.

So, this year, everybody is trying to find their way, and it hasn't been pretty.

What has been a bright spot is Nikita and Omar's development. They have gone from guys who rotted on the bench last year, to capable reserves.

Hopefully we can see that type of development for Sims, Clark, and Vaughn in the years to come.

I think from a personnel standpoint, we could use some more role players and defenders on the interior. And another capable guard in the backcourt.

Maybe Clark, Sims, and Vaughn's development in the years to come will help alleviate this problem.

[professorhoya]

Feb 14, 2009 14:01:10 GMT -5 prhoya said:

No way Macklin and/or Rivers add anything to this team! In fact, they brought more chaos and inconsistency to the court. We would suck even more!

Yes. I can't even imagine what would happen to this team if Rivers were playing 24 minutes a game again this year.

[gtowndynasty]

Nah I disagree with the assessment of the problem. Although I would agree that guard play is not our strong suit, we lose games on the interior. We dont have a mechanism to get Greg the ball down low, he is not aggressive enough in demanding it (that is no fault of his own, but when the game is on the line, he has to want and demand the ball ala OJ Mayo, Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony, u get the point), and defensively we do not have the player that makes the opposing team think twice about coming to the bucket, and we are a terrible defensive rebounding team. I think if we have a player inside that can intimidate the other players and grab some boards at the same time, we would have a much better record...but we dont. In actuality, Monroe should be playing the 4 and the Summers the 3.

[momzer]

Have the guards pressure the ball more on inbounds. Worked today and if it works ON us, why won't it work BY us.

[skyhoya]

Let’s face it, the chances of getting better with the existing line up is a waste of time. If we could make it to the dance, we would be on the 13th or 14th line, which would get us out in the first round because we would play a top ten opponent. It’s time to build for next year. Start Chris and Jason at guards and Julian, Henry and Greg as the bigs. Bring Summers and Freeman in off the bench.
Summers has no ball skills and kills us on turnovers. Send him to the D league, let him go. Send Austin to the fat farm this summer. He is just too slow to play effectively at the 2 or 3. We need to find a couple of guards with quick for next year. The coach should be looking at JUCOs. They have the scholies, quit saving them.

[millerj9]

^^dude, this post is getting annoying. someone please disable skyhoya's copy and paste function

[dehoya]

As much as I agree that getting a few JUCO bangers would be good, it would be hard for them to come in a learn the system and contribute. I am sure in most cases they are in JUCO cause of grade issue so they may be rebounding "thugs" that we need I just dont know about them being able to fit in. I still believe that Julian is a strong back up post player, however he does not have the ball handling skills to do what Greg does and he has not gotten enough post up time around the basket to become confident. I also find it hard to believe that Sims is going to slide into Summers spot when he leaves. I have seen him at his best playing closer to the basket. Even with his height he is no Kevin Durant style player. He could improve but I think his ball handling on the outside will always be a question like Dajuan.

[Madgesdiq]

Feb 14, 2009 14:01:10 GMT -5 prhoya said:

No way Macklin and/or Rivers add anything to this team! In fact, they brought more chaos and inconsistency to the court. We would suck even more!

Completely disagree. This team's depth has certainly been hurt the loss of two upperclassmen role players that were each decent defenders and who understood the system.

[SFHoya99]

Before the season, I doubted we'd miss Rivers or Macklin. On offense, I still think so. The defense has been so bad (for Georgetown) that I don't doubt both could have helped.