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Post by summersshowers on Feb 16, 2009 5:09:53 GMT -5
silly silly hoyatalkers thinking the bullfrog and the ticket wouldn't help this year. they would have brought experience, knowledge of the system, athleticism, and defensive skills to the table. you notice how many guards have gone off on us this year? mcneal, flynn, henderson, etc. that didn't happen to us when we could stick face-guarding aficionado jeremiah rivers on them. and if you don't think that vernon would have been an upgrade on simms/vaughn on both ends of the court, well, you just don't know much about basketball.
and skyhoya, go back to your cave. no one wants to hear what you have to say.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 16, 2009 8:12:03 GMT -5
I dont know how this thread got so far off track, Lets not waste our time talking about RIVERS and MACLKIN. There gone deal with it. Anyways macklin was so bad, very dissapointing. My point is that in the o ffseson we dont have to change everything like some crazy posters suggest just tinker, and mold our game to how it should be played today. I was so impressed with our defense at the end of the game against CUSE. Why shouldnt we pressure the ball more and make teh defense more frantic as a staple of our defense. Thats where it all starts is on defense. Our guys are great athletes and can play in that defensive set up.
As for offense scrapping the princeton is stupid, we just need more guys that can score the 3. All things that can be done thru recruiting in the off season.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 16, 2009 9:24:14 GMT -5
Is the team poorly constructed? Yes. However, in JT3's defense, he did not anticpate losing his best perimeter defender to a transfer and we have seen what Egerson brings at Delaware. If we do not lose those two, this team is vastly different and that is how JT3 envisioned his line-up. So while the team is poorly constructed, it was not intentional, it is just a bad outcome of circumstance.
IMO, there is plenty of hope even without Summers. If Julian accepts his role as an interior presence and Sims continues to develop and plays like a 6'10" player than we will be fine in the long-run. We just ran into a situation where the gaps had to be filled by frosh instead of what should have been some decent upperclassmen.
I do agree with the pressing. I thought we would see that more this year, I think we can hide some of our deificiencies on D with an attacking strategy and it defintely loosens the guys up on offense. The problem is depth, but I think we solved that at this point, we have enough to press for significant moments, like the end of the 1st half and beginning of the 2nd. Those are the points in the game you need to win.
Lots of work for the offseason but nothing unprecedented needs to occur. I like to look at the development of Cunningham on Nova, that is the type of transformation we may see with some of these young guys. It's not unusual at all in college ball.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 16, 2009 9:55:08 GMT -5
Is the team poorly constructed? Yes. However, in JT3's defense, he did not anticpate losing his best perimeter defender to a transfer and we have seen what Egerson brings at Delaware. If we do not lose those two, this team is vastly different and that is how JT3 envisioned his line-up. So while the team is poorly constructed, it was not intentional, it is just a bad outcome of circumstance. IMO, there is plenty of hope even without Summers. If Julian accepts his role as an interior presence and Sims continues to develop and plays like a 6'10" player than we will be fine in the long-run. We just ran into a situation where the gaps had to be filled by frosh instead of what should have been some decent upperclassmen. I do agree with the pressing. I thought we would see that more this year, I think we can hide some of our deificiencies on D with an attacking strategy and it defintely loosens the guys up on offense. The problem is depth, but I think we solved that at this point, we have enough to press for significant moments, like the end of the 1st half and beginning of the 2nd. Those are the points in the game you need to win. Lots of work for the offseason but nothing unprecedented needs to occur. I like to look at the development of Cunningham on Nova, that is the type of transformation we may see with some of these young guys. It's not unusual at all in college ball. Great points. Egerson was a big loss. We were so good with that Final Four team, it was hard to tell at the time. But with Eg, and Macklin and Rivers as defensvie role players to combine with the offensive guys we have? WOW!!! This current will have to grow and develop because this our nucleus of the team. Only 2 upperclassman who get PT. So we aren't bringing in a lot of fire power or bodies for the time being. Guys we have now will have to develop. I think Clark will be a good one. I think Vaughan will be kinda what he his now. A big body who can give you minutes off the bench. Big question mark is with Sims. Will he develop over time like Ya Ya Dia or be another Kilkenny Diaw.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 11:30:30 GMT -5
I assume our win loss record next year will probably be based more on how other teams in the BE decline in talent vs our improvement for 09.
Marquette loses Mathews, Mcneal and James to Graduation. Pitt loses Young, Fields and Biggs. Connecticut loses Adrien and Price and so on. As of right now, we only lose Sapp.
Things could change with early departures to the NBA, but as of right now I am optimistic for next year.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 16, 2009 14:16:38 GMT -5
Our issue is not talent...its cohesiveness and really concentrating on the defensive end. I don't buy into the "we don't have good defenders and can't turn them into them" argument. Defense is effort and determination. It is a mindset. If the kids buy into it we CAN be a good defensive team and a truly outstanding team overall. I remember earlier in the year how everyone on here was talking about how we have pound for pound (no pun intended on Austin) one of the best starting 5s in the country...now we have lost all faith? this team's problem is mental. Hopefully cuse was a turning point in that
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 16, 2009 16:50:36 GMT -5
Mental... and cojones, or lack thereof.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 16, 2009 17:00:04 GMT -5
We have plenty of talent. Sat. vs Cuse we saw the team determined to fight back at the end of the game, unlike the WVU game. So I believe the effort, belief and teamwork is returning.
Defense? We need to play much better Defense. But no one is talking REBOUNDING. We OUT REBOUNDED Cuse, 35-31 and 17-14 on the boards. OK, Cuse isn't a great board team either. But rebounding has definitely improved lately. Summers has 8 including 5 offensive, and looked determined out there.
Everyone can see we could use more size up front -- heft is as important as height. Unless we are shocked by the fortunate arrival of some new guy before the fall (unlikely), the size issue will come down to better/more from Vaughan and Sims. Henry is far more talented than Ya Ya and others. This kid can be really really good. Vaughan can learn how to make a better contribution. I do like seeing bigger guys up front and letting Freeman play the 2G where he belongs.
Next year's team is not ideally configured, but how many college teams are? With hard work, dedication and TEAM WORK, our Hoyas can be really really good next year.
But let's close out THIS YEAR strong first!
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