FewFAC
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Post by FewFAC on Jan 10, 2009 17:43:30 GMT -5
For all of the comments regarding how sloppy a win this was, Providence is a very good and very experienced team that shot the ball exceedingly well. If we played the way we played at UConn, we would have won by 25, but Providence maintained the halftime edge and made a run at the end not just because we made silly mistakes and turned the ball over.
We also need to be a lot more aggressive offensively; I felt like the team settled for half-court possessions when they could have pushed more. Credit Providence for (mostly) getting back on transition defense, but we still look pretty lazy out there.
A lot of the turnovers (especially Greg's) came from settling for spot-up looks instead of cutting to the rim and you would think after all of the missed jumpers we have been making players like Chris, Jessie and Austin would be more aggressive about settling for jumpers.
Even on wide open looks, what's the harm in doing what Jason did today--one dribble to a mid-range jumper that is easier, higher percentage and applies pressure on the defense, increasing the likelihood of a defensive breakdown in rotation or a foul.
To Jessie's credit, he did go to the rim and the shots still didn't falll, but those will start to go down, and he even went to the line because he forced the defense to react.
And as a team, they should run a dunk drill in practice while being hacked. DUNK THE BALL! Quit going up like women.
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dense
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Post by dense on Jan 10, 2009 17:54:02 GMT -5
Providence did shoot well today but take into account we scored 82 points and think of all the lay-ups, poorly converted fast breaks and open shots we missed...and think was it PC that kept the game close or was PC playing no D. Watching the game again, PC really had no desire to even try to play D, or get back after they missed. This really should have been a blow out if we played even with B- ablility. and As I recall, PC beat DePaul, st.johnsat home and Cincy on the road to get to 3-0, so lets not go overboard with they are 3-0 so they must be really good things.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 10, 2009 18:01:25 GMT -5
Eh. This was the game from last year at home against South Florida. Nobody really wanted to be there in the first half. Especially the guy that missed all three shots for the Generic Phone Company Promotion. And the Generic Bank that's going to be bought out by another bank Promotion focused on the cute kid for thirty seconds that caused everyone to sit down before they switched to another cute kid. There were also numerous scoreboard problems and one misidentified foul call (call was on Sapp, announced as being on a Friar who wasn't even in the game). Yuck.
On the bright side (as people have already mentioned), the student section was in veteran form. And the bench finally contributed legit points and minutes - with ten minutes left, somebody else got either their third or fourth foul and I thought that was it. If Georgetown does go on to a very successful season - and I'm still not sure they will (or convinced that they won't) - this is going to be an important part of their improvement.
On to Syracuse (well, here).
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Post by Locker on Jan 10, 2009 18:17:07 GMT -5
I'm intrigued by these Snuggies. Seems like a great gift for friends and relatives who are practicing Druids or jedi.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 10, 2009 18:25:55 GMT -5
What was the deal with the prolonged delay with 58 seconds left in the game - what were the refs reviewing? Huge shout out to the student sections for the longest "We Are" - "Georgetown" chant I have ever witnessed during this prolonged delay!!! Did Greg lose his contact again?
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 10, 2009 18:34:07 GMT -5
For those who weren't there, halftime was devoted to a trip taken to Montenegro to perform a basketball clinic by Sead, RaMell Ross, Amadou Killkenny-Diaw, Matt Henry, and Ashanti Cook (may have missed someone). Always nice to see the Hoya flag flown somewhere and to see all the kids enjoying it while wearing GU gear. It also seems nice that alums from a few years back remain involved.
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Post by guru on Jan 10, 2009 18:45:49 GMT -5
Haven't read through this whole thread, but I think Providence is a very good team that will be on the NCAA bubble and will get some big conference wins before all is said and done. So though I think the Hoyas could play a lot better, I'll take the win, be happy and get ready to crush the Orange on Wednesday.
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Post by vcjack on Jan 10, 2009 18:47:13 GMT -5
For those who weren't there, halftime was devoted to a trip taken to Montenegro to perform a basketball clinic by Sead, RaMell Ross, Amadou Killkenny-Diaw, Matt Henry, and Ashanti Cook (may have missed someone). Always nice to see the Hoya flag flown somewhere and to see all the kids enjoying it while wearing GU gear. It also seems nice that alums from a few years back remain involved. Yep, and Michael Graham was in attendance and was pointed out on the jumbotron
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Post by njhoya06 on Jan 10, 2009 18:49:19 GMT -5
Owens too, on the Montenegro thing.
And it was really nice to see the comeback in the second half, but I might have nightmares dedicated to Wattad and Vaughn passing the ball back and forth to each other.
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Post by canissaxa on Jan 10, 2009 19:21:06 GMT -5
Since this wasn't televised and there doesn't seem to be a good recap available, here's my thoughts from seeing the game for the out of towners and others who missed it. I'll try not to dwell on points that have already been covered
First half: Did not look sharp in the first half at all. Not making hard cuts. Greg not getting touches despite the fact that the D was doubling and tripling (!) him when he did--I'd love to see more team try that. Greg will eat them up. Obviously not shooting well. Very few drives to the hoop in the halfcourt offense--which actually continued most of the game and partly explains the odd foul differential for the home game. Providence shooting a very nice % from 3. Agree with others that we were lucky to be within 3 at the half. Had the feeling that JTIII was just trying to buy some time with Greg and DaJuan both with foul trouble.
Second half: Came out looking like we wanted to win it. Very intense and very aggressive. Felt that Providence was lucky to keep the lead for as long as they did, but when we got the lead back, I wasn't surprised at all to see us run it up pretty big. Played somewhat sloppy to let them get close again. There was a lot of time left when we built our largest lead (~9 min in my recollection) and Providence was shooting the 3 too well to feel really comfortable with the lead. Also, there were a few odd substitution patterns (more on that below) which I'm not sure helped us.
Substitution patterns: The oddest thing that really had me scratching my head was when JTIII put our entire 2nd string in + Jesse and minus Nikita for about 2-3 minutes after we had built a decent lead in the 2nd. My recollection is that this lineup didn't lose a lot of ground (which is a credit to our 2nd team)--maybe 4 points? But our starters were a bit sloppy after returning. Also, I thought it was telling that JTIII put Summers back in with ~5 min to play and then pulled him with about 2:30 to play to put Henry back in. It was probably somewhat offense/defense but also a testament to how Henry was playing (and how out of rhythm Summers looked after his long time on the pine). Also odd was pulling Henry for a guard with about 1:30 left, which I finally decided was to get our best FT shooting team on the floor (Clark, Jesse, Chris, Austin, and Greg I think) for the finish--which seemed like a savvy move until we shot so poorly from the line and almost let them climb back in the game. Which leads to ...
Free Throw Shooting: Another bad night and a poor finish. I had thought the numbers at the ND game were due to tired legs + a young team that wasn't used to shooting FTs against the background of antagonistic fans (or at least more antagonistic fans as you would find even in a big high school gym), but after this game, I'm not so sure. Hopefully, just a statistical anomaly like the 3 point shooting and it right going forward.
Officiating: Bad and bizarre. I know I'm biased, so I won't pretend to think that I can be an objective judge of any possible officiating bias (and the foul differential in the first half probably had more to do with the fact that PC was driving a lot more than we were), but I did notice that on both sides of the ball the officiating crew didn't seem to have any problem with defenders bumping a driving player with their body even after they had been beaten. We got away with a few of these too, but in one case, Chris was pushed out of bound on a baseline drive by a defender with multiple bumps and the refs just called it as if Chris decided to dribble over the end line. Huge delay at very end of the game was weird and never explained. Students were incredible with the WAG chant during this time.
Greg: Played great and honestly could have had about 5 more assists if teammates had caught/finished a few easy baskets.
DaJuan: Kept us in it early (with a 3 and a very nice couple of aggressive drives to draw fouls) then basically had trouble getting into the flow after the foul trouble.
Austin: Surprised as others to see that he got 18. Quiet 18. One thing was particularly evident: he is frustrated with his shot. When he missed a freethrow you could really see it in his face and usually he is one of the best on the team at maintaining focus and calm demeanor.
Sims: Looked really good out there other than a couple of missed layups.
Clark: Looked really good out there.
Omar: Didn't notice much good or bad.
Vaughn: Only remember a bad turnover in the first almost immediately after checking in after Greg's 2nd foul. Didn't stay in long. Looked more comfortable with 2nd team in the 2nd half.
Jesse: Liked how he made a point to get to the line when his shot wasn't falling.
Chris: A couple of boneheaded turnovers (one on a fast break) was what I remember.
Sorry that's not as detailed as some recaps, but I hope this helps for folks that couldn't watch. Overall, not our best game and probably not enough to beat a top BE team, but good enough for today. Will need to be sharper on Wednesday, but I doubt we'll come out as lackadaisical early. Go Hoyas!
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Jan 10, 2009 19:24:11 GMT -5
"Substitution patterns: The oddest thing that really had me scratching my head was when JTIII put our entire 2nd string in + Jesse and minus Nikita for about 2-3 minutes after we had built a decent lead in the 2nd. My recollection is that this lineup didn't lose a lot of ground (which is a credit to our 2nd team)--maybe 4 points? But our starters were a bit sloppy after returning."
That happened like at the 9 minute mark, I'd guess coach wanted extra rest for the starters going into the under 8 timeout
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dense
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Post by dense on Jan 10, 2009 19:30:22 GMT -5
yeah that was exactly why, he wanted to get some rest for them cause i think at that point we were up 15, so he figured he could take a timeout to stop the run if it got out of hand.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 10, 2009 20:30:01 GMT -5
Haven't read through this whole thread, but I think Providence is a very good team that will be on the NCAA bubble and will get some big conference wins before all is said and done. So though I think the Hoyas could play a lot better, I'll take the win, be happy and get ready to crush the Orange on Wednesday. That pretty much sums it up for me. Granted we were a bit sloppy, especially in the first half, but i wouldnt sleep on PC. They are are a solid team. I dont really recall them making a lot of mistakes, honestly. Their defense down the stretch was awful, but dont be shocked if they beat some ranked BE teams this year.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2009 20:43:16 GMT -5
"Substitution patterns: The oddest thing that really had me scratching my head was when JTIII put our entire 2nd string in + Jesse and minus Nikita for about 2-3 minutes after we had built a decent lead in the 2nd. My recollection is that this lineup didn't lose a lot of ground (which is a credit to our 2nd team)--maybe 4 points? But our starters were a bit sloppy after returning." That happened like at the 9 minute mark, I'd guess coach wanted extra rest for the starters going into the under 8 timeout I don't think it was so much resting the starters as giving the freshmen and bench more PT and experience right now so they won't be thrown to the wolves and useless during tourney time. I'm really happy that Clarke, Simms and Wattad are getting the PT because they will be assets later on even if they cost us points/games right now. That's another reason I'm not too upset about these early losses. We could play the starting five the whole game and probably win/blowout the majority of these teams but that isn't going to make us better as a team.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 10, 2009 20:46:05 GMT -5
bad early great close the first half.. greg unreal shoulda had like seven eight more assists according to jt3. one he got to austin austin missed got his own rebbie to put up WHAT A SHOW. and espn said this am hes the BEST PASSING BIG MAN IN THE COUNTRY INALL THE COUNTRY YUP FROSH JRS. SR. SOPHS EVERYBODY.. jason nice chris nice jesse off but one block and five rebbies.. and well henry well OH HENRY and austin had eighteen always cutting to the rim and put backs dajuann ok kinda forced it but his four fouls early got henry in and it was the three frosh that led the run THE THREE FROSH great game kinda tense almost 76-75 if ethecufu hits the lay up and sloppy at the end and a fre wmissed free throws almost let em in ALMOST.. now were two and two NEEDED THAT most won who shoulda won in big easy today so no help but at HALF TIME CUSE BY ONLY ONE OVER RUTGERS go scarlet nites HATE CUSE YOU NEVER KNOW go hoyas now went from 11th to eight top eight key top four would be sweet. go hoyas beat cuse
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 10, 2009 20:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2009 20:49:52 GMT -5
Since this wasn't televised and there doesn't seem to be a good recap available, here's my thoughts from seeing the game for the out of towners and others who missed it. I'll try not to dwell on points that have already been covered s! Good Recap. Like I said in the other post, I think JT3 is just trying to get his freshmen and bench as much PT and experience as he can get away with. Providence is a good team to do that, you aren't going to always have that opportunity especially against a top 20 team in a close game. If he gets these guys PT now, 1 or 2 of them will develop and help us in March when the starters will start playing even bigger minutes. I think Clarke coming in helped out alot. Those Providence guard were small, pesky fast guys who were able to cause havoc with penetration and hitting 3s. Clarkes, Speed, Quickness and long arms seemed to throw them off their rhythm.
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Post by richfame on Jan 10, 2009 22:08:49 GMT -5
someone mentioned providence on the bubble? Come in its janurary knowone is on the bubble. I think it was espn but they were going over which teams were on the bubble. I mean this is the stupidest thing i ever seen. Conference play has barely started and im hearing the word bubble. Save that for march.
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FewFAC
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Post by FewFAC on Jan 10, 2009 23:14:20 GMT -5
"Substitution patterns: The oddest thing that really had me scratching my head was when JTIII put our entire 2nd string in + Jesse and minus Nikita for about 2-3 minutes after we had built a decent lead in the 2nd. My recollection is that this lineup didn't lose a lot of ground (which is a credit to our 2nd team)--maybe 4 points? But our starters were a bit sloppy after returning." That happened like at the 9 minute mark, I'd guess coach wanted extra rest for the starters going into the under 8 timeout What I was hoping for out of that stretch was that since Sapp would be the number 1 offensive option that he would get some touches to get back on track offensively. He did get to the line, which was reassuring, and hit a three that didn't count after he got a foul call. Hopefully seeing that shot fall will help with his confidence.
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Post by grokamok on Jan 10, 2009 23:24:57 GMT -5
Regarding rotations, weren't we playing Wattad, Clark and Vaughn at the same time during a good part of the stretch in the first half when Providence went on their run? I'm not sure I like that while the game is still being decided, even if it was because we had to sit one of our starters with two fouls. I think each can contribute and two of the three would be OK, but if we need to sub in one of them to cover for a starter in foul trouble early in the game when two subs are already in, I think it might make sense to re-sub one of the starters at the same time to keep three starters on the floor and run through the rotation from there.
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