Terrell Vinson

[tonyparker]

Think there might be some mutual interest given the loss of Riley and this news...?

sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3722068

[tpk3]

not the big we would be looking for IMO

[SFHoya99]

Not sure how a 6'5" SG/SF fills the big man void...

There's no point in taking a 2009 swing unless he's ridiculously talented.

[HoyasAreHungry]

nope...kind of ridiculous speculation IMO

i retract prior statement

[nathanhm]

has opened up his recruitment:

Rumors about where is going on MDHigh.rivals.com: One guy says Big East but not Gtown or Nova, another guy said he thinks Maryland & Gtown will be high on the list.

[HoyasAreHungry]

i was wondering about this now that the news of the St Mary's coach retiring..

[idhoya]

I knew this was coimng. Will Hoyas get involved? Remember, its not only what type of interest he has in the Hoyas, but how much the Hoyas have in him. 6'7, 215, inside/out player. Definitely a fit.

[hoyalove4ever]

I know nothing about Vinson- could someone fill me in? Thanks in advance.

Again, my stance is that the team could use a quality player at any position for 2009. That does not mean that they should just add anybody, but it means that someone who looks to be a quality/impact player in the Big East, regardless of his size or position, would be a nice addition to next year's team.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Hey at this point i'll take almost any type of player with his talent. I don't care they're position. I'm right there with you 4ever.

[SFHoya99]

I'm not going to make a talent judgement on Vinson, because I really don't know. I will say that any 6'5" combo forward tends to have a harder transition to college than a taller one, or one with more perimeter skills. But I haven't seen enough of Vinson to judge.

Taking a guy just for another player is a disaster, though. Right now, we already have Nikita and Omar as essentially developmental threes and both will be three years in the program next year.

To even start a discussion on a player for 2009 at the SF position, I think the first question is: is the player significantly better than Wattad and/or Mescheriakov in 2009?

Because you've already got Hollis, plus at least one other wing in 2010 in really likely. If Vinson is a great player, fine, take him. But if you're just doing it for 2009, he needs to deliver in 2009 or what's the point?

If I'm going to take a chance at this point, I take it on a big man.

Again, this is not to say I know how good Vinson is. He may very well meet those threshholds. But the issue with taking a guy because you are going to be thin next year -- well, if the guy was good enough to contribute as a frosh, you usually would have taken him no matter what.

[gtowndynasty]

Definitely a guy that can come in and contribute early. I think ppl forget how thin our roster is. Just imagine next year with Sapp (def gone due to eligibility), Monroe (likely gone b/c who turns down the $, esp with this economy), and Summers (likely gone as he wanted to go last yr and has presumably worked himself into the first round). The only incoming recruit is Hollis! We need bodies that are ready to step in and contribute and Vinson def can do that! I hope we are on him.

[SFHoya99]

Dynasty...here's the thing. Where does a 6'5" wing contribute?

Without Vinson, we'll have a base of four players to play 1-3 -- Chris, Austin, Jason and Hollis.

So again, he's going to need to be better than a junior Wattad to get time -- unless you think he can play PF. But even if he does, there's somewhat of a chance he's getting five minutes a game.

The real issue is going to be that Hollis is to skinny to play the SF/PF role, I think. Again, if you have a choice, I go big man.

So, yeah, if you think Vinson is a good enough player for FOUR years, I'm all for it. I just don't know if it is worth it for next year.

[hoyalove4ever]

I agree that we don't just take a player for next year. My point is that if he is an impact player in the Big East AND he plays the three, we should still take him, and he will either find minutes, or Omar and/or Nikita will improve enough to take his minutes.

[gtowndynasty]

I am not sure what his exact height is, but the scouting services list him at 6'7" so i think he would fit into that hybrid sf/pf role that Summers plays. Hollis will be a wing who will go inside for rebounding, but def not gonna be down there for long periods of time. I have seen him play some and I would absolutely take him over wattad. He is quick and athletic, plus with his size he can play the 3 or the 4.

I hate to be the one to point this out, but the writing is on the wall for those that wish to read it. We are in all likelihood losing 3 starters. We have to bring guys in. I think we will rebound with the 2010 class, but we can still get Vinson and a big for 09, which would be ideal. Remember when we had Dashonte, we were toying with the signing of one more player in the Spring depending on who was gonna leave/stay. Now I think we operate from the premise that we are losing 3 starters. No need to panic, just get serviceable players in!

[HoyasAreHungry]

the question remains though....who are our big man targets in '09??? noone has come up with anything..I agree I would rather have a big guy...preferably a 4 in the mold of a latavious williams....we are an effective 4 man away from being unreal (if monroe stays that is)

[gtowndynasty]

And he is more than just a player. I am not advocating the signing of just a body, this guy can be productive. Unless there is a knock on his character, which i have no clue on, he can play the game and be productive-that i do know.

[gtowndynasty]

Not to beat this into the ground, but if a student is being recruited by Duke, GTown, Memphis, Texas, and Nova then I think it should be presumed he can play! This is the evaluation on Vinson from scout.com

Cut from the combo forward mold. Will be recruited to play both spots and as his skills round out should have a chance to swing to small forward. Noted for his cerebral play and work ethic, he brings a junk yard dog approach to the game.

[dcc33]

Jan 13, 2009 12:12:12 GMT -5 RDF said:

Let's wait and see how things unfold on the team before speculating on what is needed. You might be surprised who is staying/who is being recruited.

Aww, its just cruel to hint at stuff like this!

Not to speculate, but I think we will get one of Monroe and Summers back next year, and with the progression of Henry and Julian and addition of Hollis, we're about in the same place in terms of depth. Don't really see the 3 spot as a need, unless he can alos cover the 4 or ends up being a late bloomer who will contribute significantly.

[jkhoya12]

Vinson actually did have a GU offer per Scout and had offers from Memphis, Villanova, and Maryland. Like the fact that they call him a junkyard dog type player. we need that.

[RBHoya]

I think the "I'd rather have a big man!" sentiment really goes without saying. At this point, I think it's rather obvious that if we had our choice we'd add a top 50 big PF/C in the spring. Unfortunately the odds of us pulling that off are very low, so I don't think we can expect it.

Next year's roster is still very up in the air, but we're staring at the possibility of losing 3 starters and adding only 1 player to a team that is already not especially deep. We'd have 8 players and if we were slotting them by their true/ideal position I think it'd be

PG-Wright
SG-Freeman, Clark, Thompson, Wattad
SF-Mescheriakov
PF-Sims, Vaughn
C-N/a

Obviously Austin and Hollis will slide to 3 a lot, Clark will play point, Vaughn will play center etc. But that's 3 frontcourt players there, 1 of whom has played like 20 total minutes in his career and has not yet shown that he's a major-caliber player. Yes, like everybody else I'd LOVE to see us land a good, true big man who could contribute next year. But the odds aren't especially high. So I think the next best thing would probably be to land another competent frontcourt player and then shift things around a little and play some guys out of position as needed. Does anybody really feel comfortable with a depth chart next year of

Wright
Clark/Wattad
Freeman/Thompson
Sims/Mescheriakov
Vaughn

? That team is really, really low on depth. I think if you can bring in another talented player, you have to do it, and worry about the positions later. Of course if we get Greg and/or DaJuan back, that changes things a little bit. That's why I'm not saying Vinson is somebody we have to go out and get immediately, but I think he's somebody we absolutely have to at least consider/reconsider, given the loss or Riley and the quality play of our frontcourt this year.