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Post by TC on Sept 18, 2008 10:05:59 GMT -5
I don't condone it, but I have no sympathy.
We pay for government IT systems through our taxes because of security. If she wants to skirt around accountability by taking official business off of official servers and use a Yahoo address, she deserves it. If she had kept her private address private - it would have been secure through obscurity (no one would have known her email was "gov.sarah"). It is like leaving your door open in NYC - it's not right that you will be robbed, but you were completely irresponsible in failing to take any precautions to prevent it.
I cannot believe that 4chan /b/ - the board whose members published information about someone's internet-bullying related suicide and then harassed their parents by calling up and pretending to be the dead son - has become part of this presidential race. Just crazy.
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 18, 2008 13:22:44 GMT -5
I don't condone it, but I have no sympathy. We pay for government IT systems through our taxes because of security. If she wants to skirt around accountability by taking official business off of official servers and use a Yahoo address, she deserves it. If she had kept her private address private - it would have been secure through obscurity (no one would have known her email was "gov.sarah"). It is like leaving your door open in NYC - it's not right that you will be robbed, but you were completely irresponsible in failing to take any precautions to prevent it. I cannot believe that 4chan /b/ - the board whose members published information about someone's internet-bullying related suicide and then harassed their parents by calling up and pretending to be the dead son - has become part of this presidential race. Just crazy. From everything I've read, many of the items on the Yahoo! account were personal items. Most federal and state email systems have express warnings that personal information should not be transferred on government resources. Your analogy is faulty, too - it's not like leaving your door open, but rather like not buying an expensive lock rather than the lock you were provided. Palin did not provide her password in an open forum, and anyone that hacked using other means is committing relatively clear theft. This is a clear case of breaking and entering on email. When would you have sympathy, if ever? |
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Post by Boz on Sept 18, 2008 13:36:56 GMT -5
I haven't been following this too closely, but I'm not sure about the "official business" on her personal e-mail either. I heard she was having e-mail conversations with her Lt. Gov. on her personal address, but not that they were related to government business.
Maybe that's wrong, but that's what I heard.
Either way it doesn't excuse stealing and publishing picutres of her family, e-mail addresses of her family, and her daughter's cell phone number. All things that are relevant to her personal life, not her role as governor.
EDIT: Also, since this was done after she received the Veep nomination, it is US Secret Service jurisdiction, I'm pretty sure. Not at ALL good news for the perpetrators, assuming they can catch them.
Mark Harmon is on the case!!
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 18, 2008 13:50:19 GMT -5
Wait Bristol's phone number is out there?! Politics aside, I'd be up for getting my hands on that (the phone number), especially if she moves to DC. Levy Johnston ain't got nothing...
And I've stooped to a new low.
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Post by Boz on Sept 18, 2008 13:56:51 GMT -5
Wait Bristol's phone number is out there?! Politics aside, I'd be up for getting my hands on that (the phone number), especially if she moves to DC. Levy Johnston ain't got nothing... And I've stooped to a new low. No. Telling a friend that "I've got dibs on Willow in five years" is hitting a new low. Not that I did such a thing. Umm, I'm just saying, you know, if I had.......  |
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Post by TC on Sept 18, 2008 14:08:31 GMT -5
From everything I've read, many of the items on the Yahoo! account were personal items. Most federal and state email systems have express warnings that personal information should not be transferred on government resources. Your analogy is faulty, too - it's not like leaving your door open, but rather like not buying an expensive lock rather than the lock you were provided. Palin did not provide her password in an open forum, and anyone that hacked using other means is committing relatively clear theft. This is a clear case of breaking and entering on email. When would you have sympathy, if ever? If someone broke into her State of Alaska email, I'd have sympathy. The "gov.sarah" email was only in the press because she refused to release emails relating to Trooper-gate under the Cheney-esque objection that they were to her private account even though they were related to official business. That's the only reason anyone ever knew that her address was "gov.sarah" - and I'd even argue that she probably chose that address to give it the air of being "official" and to enable her ability to do state business under it, even though it's a Yahoo address. I don't understand why people don't get this in this day and age - this sort of thing doesn't fly in corporate America, much less the government. Every Fortune 500 Company has their e-mail behind a VPN and people are routinely scolded for using their own personal emails for work purposes. The problem in this case is that no state employee is going to scold a ruthless and vindictive Governor on flouting secure IT policies. This is much like leaving the door open. This was not a complicated hack - someone guessed that she met her husband at "Wasilla High" in her forgot password question, and given that it's a Yahoo email address rather than one on a governmental system - the penalties are going to be much less severe - if they even catch whoever did this. |
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 18, 2008 14:43:09 GMT -5
I cannot believe that 4chan /b/ - the board whose members published information about someone's internet-bullying related suicide and then harassed their parents by calling up and pretending to be the dead son - has become part of this presidential race. Just crazy. Wait, it was the guys from 4chan who hacked her? You are right that it is crazy/sad that they found a way to make themselves relevant in the election, but it's oddly funny to me as well. Some of the stuff that comes out of there is hilarious. I wonder if they've got anything else up their sleeves. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 18, 2008 19:20:32 GMT -5
Anyone want to say they have never used their business email address for personal correspondence?
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Post by SoCalHoya on Sept 18, 2008 19:43:13 GMT -5
I actually don't send personal e-mail through work e-mail, but realize it's done all the time and quite normal. Not advisable, for employment law reasons, but normal.
This is a little different, though. I definitely do NOT send work e-mail through my personal e-mail account. Not sure if Palin actually did that, or if that really matters much to people, but in my opinion when you deal with sensitive information in the workplace, it shows very poor judgment (and/or sneakiness if you're in the Bush Admin) to do so.
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Post by TC on Sept 18, 2008 20:01:04 GMT -5
Anyone want to say they have never used their business email address for personal correspondence? We're talking about the opposite - using personal e-mail for business correspondence. There's no security problem with using a business account for personal e-mail (although Palin did have someone she disliked fired for exactly that), but there is a major security issue with using personal e-mail for business purposes. C'mon, this is standard business practice these days with VPN's if you work for a company over fifty people. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 19, 2008 6:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Sept 19, 2008 8:05:34 GMT -5
I'm sure it was a Democrat, no one else cares enough to do this. I'm also sure it's a stupid kid, because no one else uses 4chan. But that's begging the real issue here - do you think it is okay for her to do government business over personal email, so that her e-mail is not sub-peonable? Besides the obvious ethical implications, there are security problems issues with that, as we've seen here. And yes, in the world of IT, there is a blame-the-victim mentality when you get hacked for doing something mind-numbingly stupid like put business on a personal email or when you click on an executable that gives you viruses. People need to follow best practices. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 19, 2008 8:21:16 GMT -5
I know that my FBI g/f does NOTHING work-related on her personal email. Granted, there are certain security levels in place and that sort of thing. It's probably a bigger deal when national security is implicated. But still, you want privacy and security, use a secure government email system. End of story.
How often do you hear about a famous Senator's email getting hacked (or at least the ones that use email)? Or a White House office's email getting hacked? Never. And you can be damn sure that someone out there is trying. The people who get their emails stolen are Paris Hilton, Denise Richards, that bass player from Fall Out Boy, etc.. If you want to talk about "the biggest celebrity in the world," I think that terrifyingly enough, it's become Palin, but unlike these irrelevant celebs, she had access to a government network that she chose not to use in favor of YAHOO. Really...Yahoo? It shows some pretty poor judgment to handle sensitive matters that way.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 19, 2008 8:46:37 GMT -5
Where's the outrage that Palin's email was hacked? Most of the comments on this board are about what she did or did not do rather than concentrating on someone (Democrat?) hacking her email.
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Post by TC on Sept 19, 2008 8:53:13 GMT -5
There is no outrage because she was stupid and unethical.
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Post by hoyatables on Sept 19, 2008 9:10:57 GMT -5
Where's the outrage that Palin's email was hacked? Most of the comments on this board are about what she did or did not do rather than concentrating on someone (Democrat?) hacking her email. I think we spent all our outrage 10 years ago when Linda Tripp sold out Monica  . Just kidding -- I actually think it's ridiculous and abhorrent that people are hacking her email accounts. Even if it were to uncover something legitimately worth criticizing, the ends do not justify the means. |
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 19, 2008 9:36:37 GMT -5
The email exchange between her and the Lt. Gov. would have been an illegal use of government email had it taken place on her work account. It was related to a campaign, so she couldn't use her work account.
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Post by Boz on Sept 19, 2008 9:41:43 GMT -5
Can someone provide a link that details that she WAS in fact doing government business on her personal e-mail account?
I have heard that reported -- vaguely, but I haven't seen anything to corroborate it. I don't think having a conversation with your Lt. Gov. or any other staff member necessarily constitutes government business (it depends on the conversation, of course).
If that was going on, why weren't those e-mails published? It seems the only thing that got published was her about her family.
If she was doing that, then I can see TC's point of view here. But I don't know that she WAS.
Either way a crime was committed, we shouldn't forget that. But it seems that everyone is willing to say she was doing something she shouldn't have been when I haven't seen any proof of that.
Like I said, if anyone has a link they can provide -- something with more substantive evidence than "she may have been doing this" -- I will stand corrected.
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Post by TC on Sept 19, 2008 10:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Sept 19, 2008 10:16:52 GMT -5
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