Filo
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Post by Filo on Jul 22, 2008 11:22:07 GMT -5
Not sure where the Hoyas wind up but, man oh man, what a credit to JTIII that the Hoyas are even near the top twenty. I know it has been discussed ad nauseam how the program was in the dumps before he came along, but stuff like this really drives the point home. Would they Hoyas even be in the top 50 if JTIII didn't right the ship?
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Jul 22, 2008 11:23:49 GMT -5
We should be top 15 and highest amongst all programs that have not won a title during this time frame
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Jul 22, 2008 11:37:58 GMT -5
crazy that SJU has had 10 losing seasons
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 22, 2008 11:58:54 GMT -5
Not sure where the Hoyas wind up but, man oh man, what a credit to JTIII that the Hoyas are even near the top twenty. I know it has been discussed ad nauseam how the program was in the dumps before he came along, but stuff like this really drives the point home. Would they Hoyas even be in the top 50 if JTIII didn't right the ship? We would. We would still have around 160 points, which would still put us in the top 30, even if the team hadn't done anything under Esh.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Jul 22, 2008 12:24:49 GMT -5
Thanks. Too lazy to do the math. Better than expected, although it is entirely possible that the point total would have gone down over the Esh years...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 22, 2008 12:25:48 GMT -5
well he did earn us our only negative points with those 2 losing seasons.
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 22, 2008 12:33:35 GMT -5
Thanks. Too lazy to do the math. Better than expected, although it is entirely possible that the point total would have gone down over the Esh years... Assuming Esh would have avoided getting banned from NCAA play, even if he had lead 3/4 of one of the best classes to ever wear the Blue & Gray to 4 straight losing seasons, the Hoyas would have 146 points, which would still have cracked the top 30, and perhaps even the top 25.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jul 22, 2008 15:58:53 GMT -5
Villanova is #31 with 126 points, I think we'll make the top 20. But I have a feeling that there are going to be big leaps in the point totals when we get to the top 20.
Thinking about who's left, the top programs would have to include:
Duke, UNC, UConn, Arizona, UCLA, Syracuse, Michigan State, Kentucky, Kansas, Florida, and Indiana.
Gonzaga, Louisville, Stanford, Illinois, Cincinnati are also left. Can't think of many more.
No matter how it goes, it's nice to know that even without a few of our best years in the early 80s that we have been a top 30 program (and probably higher) over the last couple decades. Pretty awesome.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Jul 22, 2008 16:10:39 GMT -5
Villanova is #31 with 126 points, I think we'll make the top 20. But I have a feeling that there are going to be big leaps in the point totals when we get to the top 20. Thinking about who's left, the top programs would have to include: Duke, UNC, UConn, Arizona, UCLA, Syracuse, Michigan State, Kentucky, Kansas, Florida, and Indiana. Gonzaga, Louisville, Stanford, Illinois, Cincinnati are also left. Can't think of many more. Recent hard times notwithstanding, Michigan's run in the late 80's/early 90's will get them on the board. UMCP will be in there somewhere. Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio St., Memphis, Purdue, Utah are a few others that I think are still out there.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 23, 2008 11:15:32 GMT -5
30-21 now out of note UMd at 28 Gonzaga at 26 stanford at 25 ( not sure if there are any private schools left now besides us and duke) Illinois at 23 michigan at 22 Florida at 21 only noticeable because on their sites they were saying they'd be top 10 lol. ooh so close.
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Post by vcjack on Jul 23, 2008 11:39:47 GMT -5
30-21 now out of note UMd at 28 Gonzaga at 26 stanford at 25 ( not sure if there are any private schools left now besides us and duke) Illinois at 23 michigan at 22 Florida at 21 only noticeable because on their sites they were saying they'd be top 10 lol. ooh so close. Cuse is a private school (just not a good one) and will be top ten
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 23, 2008 11:45:34 GMT -5
i keep forgetting that they're a private school. w/e fine the only good academic private schools left.
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 23, 2008 11:49:21 GMT -5
"Did you know? Illinois is a very solid program but still searching for that illusive national championship. The Illini have had their fair share of success in the Big Ten and are a mainstay in the Dance. However, they've never had a first-team All-American and have advanced as far as the Elite Eight only three times in 24 seasons. "
No, I didn't know that "illusive" was spelled that way.
Yes, I'm being petty.
And what's the deal here? Michigan and Ohio State had their Final Fours vacated. Apparently, if you cheat, it's cool. Grrrrrr.
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Post by youngjeezy on Jul 23, 2008 12:16:15 GMT -5
i'll take at least top 20... wooooooo. it's all gravy at this point, but man, would those 25 points from the national title come in handy when our rank is revealed, i bet.
so we've got us, louisville, 'cuse, uconn and cincy all in the top 20 of all time? how can the big east continually be bashed if we're making up a quarter of the top programs ever? sure, cincy's fallen on hard times recently, but they even showed some signs of premature life last year. a back-to-back big east title is now even more impressive in my eyes.
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Post by Jack on Jul 23, 2008 12:21:47 GMT -5
so we've got us, louisville, 'cuse, uconn and cincy all in the top 20 of all time? how can the big east continually be bashed if we're making up a quarter of the top programs ever? sure, cincy's fallen on hard times recently, but they even showed some signs of premature life last year. a back-to-back big east title is now even more impressive in my eyes. True enough, but all of the above clearly benefit from the fact that Louisville and Cincy were not members of the Big East when racking up most of their points. Had they been in the conference all along it would have meant fewer conference titles, etc. for each school. If you do these ranking using the same criteria 10 years from now and the Big East stays as huge as it is, I doubt you would still find 5 Big East teams in the Top 20.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jul 23, 2008 12:28:04 GMT -5
Especially Louisville. They dominated that Metro conference so they will get a ton of points for conference championships.
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Post by grokamok on Jul 23, 2008 12:30:06 GMT -5
Alright - I admit underestimating our position but I didn't want to be too disappointed so I set my expectations a bit low. The only teams of which I can think that are not yet mentioned are Temple, Arkansas & UNLV, but that leaves one missing from the top 20 (these plus GU, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, UConn, Arizona, Syracuse, Michigan St, Indiana, Louisville, Oklahoma, Texas, Memphis and Cincinnati make only 19). Any guesses? theexorcist - I agree completely Jack - Good point about conference titles - another reason that points for RPI rating would help balance the ease of victories in minor conferences or the relative ease of capturing a championship in smaller ones (easier to win among 8 or 10 teams than among 12 or 16).
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Jul 23, 2008 12:51:52 GMT -5
Alright - I admit underestimating our position but I didn't want to be too disappointed so I set my expectations a bit low. The only teams of which I can think that are not yet mentioned are Temple, Arkansas & UNLV, but that leaves one missing from the top 20 (these plus GU, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, UConn, Arizona, Syracuse, Michigan St, Indiana, Louisville, Oklahoma, Texas, Memphis and Cincinnati make only 19). Any guesses? Xavier?
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Post by grokamok on Jul 23, 2008 13:11:01 GMT -5
Well done, Jack!
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Post by jgalt on Jul 23, 2008 13:34:21 GMT -5
so we've got us, louisville, 'cuse, uconn and cincy all in the top 20 of all time? how can the big east continually be bashed if we're making up a quarter of the top programs ever? sure, cincy's fallen on hard times recently, but they even showed some signs of premature life last year. a back-to-back big east title is now even more impressive in my eyes. True enough, but all of the above clearly benefit from the fact that Louisville and Cincy were not members of the Big East when racking up most of their points. Had they been in the conference all along it would have meant fewer conference titles, etc. for each school. If you do these ranking using the same criteria 10 years from now and the Big East stays as huge as it is, I doubt you would still find 5 Big East teams in the Top 20. but if the conference remains as good, natl champs and advances well into mach could off set this effect
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