Best Hoya 6th Man?

[idhoya]

I wanna hear ya'll on this one.

[lichoya68]

PATRICK PATRICK PATRICK he made the big east invent the big east sixth man award yup hands down best guy to come off the bench in gu history yup nuf said go hoyas go patrick

[hoyalawyer]

pat... tied with the guy that comes off the bench first this year ;-)

[the_way]

Ben Gillery ;D

[SFHoya99]

I imagine it'd be someone on the '84 team, given the depth. Wasn't it Bill Martin?

[redskins12820]

Darrel Owens was pretty good.

[SirSaxa]

Jul 15, 2008 14:47:53 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

I imagine it'd be someone on the '84 team, given the depth. Wasn't it Bill Martin?

Actually, that would be Reggie Williams.

I guess others can vote for whomever they want.

As far as I am concerned, this one is so not close it isn't worthy of any discussion whatsoever.

[blueandgray]

By BE play ... Reggie was already a starter. Our starting line up was Ewing, Martin, Williams, Wingate and Jackson. First off the bench varied ... but it was either Graham, Gene Smith, Dalton, Brown or Ho. Yes, we were 10 deep. By the end of the year, Graham was the man... and Smith played an incredibly important role versus Kentucky.

I vote for Michael Graham.

[SFHoya99]

According to DFW's history site, Martin started less than ten games in 83-84.

[swhoya]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. All of you are wrong.

The undeniable, indisputable best Hoya 6th man was....ME (and the rest of Gen Burton).

From 1998-2002, we destroyed our voices screaming at refs, opposing players, opposing fans (and there were often more of them than us), all while having to suffer the ignominy of the Mustached One's reign of mediocrity. Our hearts still broke at every predictable Braswell 3 at the buzzer (and we were fools for hoping that it would be any different). But we still brought it, every game. Often, we were there long before the Phone Booth ever opened (and it wasn't like seats were at a premium back then...)

(It's a rough week. Leave me my pity party, will ya?)

[prhoya]

Not much else to add... You're right...

[SirSaxa]

Jul 15, 2008 16:45:05 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

By BE play ... Reggie was already a starter. Our starting line up was Ewing, Martin, Williams, Wingate and Jackson. First off the bench varied ... but it was either Graham, Gene Smith, Dalton, Brown or Ho. Yes, we were 10 deep. By the end of the year, Graham was the man... and Smith played an incredibly important role versus Kentucky.

I vote for Michael Graham.

OK, maybe someone remembers for sure? Maybe that's you blueandgray?
But a couple items below are relevant.

My distant memory was the Reggie did not start most of the season, and did not start the Final game. I could be mistaken. But see the links below:


From DFW's Top 100 list:

DFW's Top 100 Hoyas

On almost any other team Williams would have assumed the role of the team's star. The fact that Williams didn't have to be the star of the 1983-84 team helped him grow and mature as a player. He started only nine games in 1983-84, but as a reserve Williams was able to see considerable on court time to showcase both his mid-range jumper and his quick drives inside, two traits ideal for the small forward role. As the season progressed, his numbers improved--the 8.4 per game average in Big East play might have understated the growing skill set Williams was building on the court.

It's safe to say that in most of these games, Williams' role was complementary. While he scored a season high 22 against Syracuse and 17 in the Big East semifinals versus St. John's, most games were between eight and 10 points a game in 15-20 minutes of work. Such was not the case on April 2, 1984, a game which not only elevated Georgetown to the national title but established Williams as a clutch player in the big game. Coming off a 1-7 effort in the semifinal versus Kentucky, Williams dominated Houston in the final, shooting 9 for 18 for 19 points, along with seven rebounds. While Patrick Ewing (10 points, 9 boards) was named the MVP, it was Williams' able shooting and tenacious defense which proved decisive in the title game.

W Post on Hoyas National Title Game -- '84

More specifically, the deepest team won. Even without Smith, nine players contributed to Georgetown's cause. And the key offensive contribution in the second half came from Reggie Williams, the Baltimore freshman who has often struggled this season adjusting to being a reserve. Tonight, Williams scored 19 points, 13 of them in the second half, when the Cougars gamely fought back to within three points. He also had seven rebound, three assists and a key tie-up of Olajuwon when Houston still had a chance to get back in the game.

As an aside on another topic altogether, at the bottom of the page linked above, there's an interesting quote from JT that hit me hard that day and I never forgot:

"At times I've been obsessed by the national championship, I've awakened in the middle of the night in the summer saying 'national championship,' " he said. "Now I have one. I don't want 10 like John Wooden, I just wanted to get one."

[prhoya]

"I just wanted to get one." That's exactly how he coached and recruited after those FF years. What a lousy attitude!

[EasyEd]

Michael Graham.

[SFHoya99]

1984 Starts from Hoya Basketball.com:

Patrick Ewing 37
David Wingate 37
Fred Brown 36

Michael Jackson 22
Gene Smith 8
Horace Broadnax 1

Michael Graham 17
Reggie Williams 9
Bill Martin 6

[blueandgray]

My bad.... i just checked the box score and i was way off on the starting line up. the starting 5 was Ewing, Dalton, Brown, Wingate and Jackson. Given that we went with so many different line ups in '84... its hard to determine whether we even had a 6th man.

[Hoya TMF]

Jul 15, 2008 17:25:49 GMT -5 swhoya said:

Wrong, wrong, wrong. All of you are wrong.

The undeniable, indisputable best Hoya 6th man was....ME (and the rest of Gen Burton).

From 1998-2002, we destroyed our voices screaming at refs, opposing players, opposing fans (and there were often more of them than us), all while having to suffer the ignominy of the Mustached One's reign of mediocrity. Our hearts still broke at every predictable Braswell 3 at the buzzer (and we were fools for hoping that it would be any different). But we still brought it, every game. Often, we were there long before the Phone Booth ever opened (and it wasn't like seats were at a premium back then...)

(It's a rough week. Leave me my pity party, will ya?)

I couldn't agree more. those of us that lived through the dark ages deserve some sort of recognition. maybe a formal apology and a free season tickets for a year. i'll give steve alleva a call immediately.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I think to qualify they should have to have been the definitive 6th man and played the role for more than a year. Some one like pat who was clearly a 6th man his whole career.

[Hoya TMF]

Jul 16, 2008 7:33:30 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

I think to qualify they should have to have been the definitive 6th man and played the role for more than a year. Some one like pat who was clearly a 6th man his whole career.

agreed. otherwise the label doesn't really fit. i've gotta go with the game changer pe2. had baby doc stayed longer, he might have been in contention for this award too.

[Boz]

Dikembe Mutombo!