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Post by hoya89 on Jun 28, 2008 12:31:55 GMT -5
I just received my season ticket renewal packet for next year. Prices and Hoop Club donation levels are increasing at a level that even Bernard Muir acknowledges could be perceived as "significant".
All seats in the lower bowl (excluding courtside, of course) and the 200s are going from $30 up to $40 (discounted to $32 for season tickets).
Hoop club donations are going up even more substantially. As an example, the $500 seats are going up to $750.
I generally am supportive of doing this - the program has been well underpriced and they need to get the revenue so long as the market will bear it. (I'm in the 200s, so I'm only going from a $200 to a $300 donation per seat, and I gave extra last year anyway.) Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see the reaction.
(There are now 12 donation tiers. They don't match exactly to last year's but, as an example, the grey seats went from $500 per seat to $750 per seat.)
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Post by dungeon ball on Jun 28, 2008 12:41:06 GMT -5
How many home games are there? I just got the renewal packet as well, lost my young alumnus status, and trying to figure out what I can afford.
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Post by hoya89 on Jun 28, 2008 12:46:24 GMT -5
Not specified - according to the packet, the schedule hasn't been finalized. They are asking for $100 deposits now.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 28, 2008 13:02:46 GMT -5
FWIW, two lower bowl seats at Louisville are priced as follows: "$1600 per seat + ticket cost + minimum gift of $100,000 payable over 5 years...paying the annual per seat donation does not guarantee new seats within that priority level." Every seat is sold, and there is a waiting list. louisville.edu/athletics/development/seating-mbb.htm |
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Post by hoya89 on Jun 28, 2008 13:15:08 GMT -5
It's seven grand just to get in the building at Duke. As I said, the program has been well underpriced. Still a massive bargain even after the increase.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 28, 2008 15:27:34 GMT -5
They still should do this gradually. We went from $200 to $500 per ticket two years ago and now from $500 to $750. Why not raise it the year inbetween from $500 to $600 so the sticker shock isn't as bad?
That is my complaint, not the price. For a school with a business program, the marketing & pricing strategy leaves something that just about any student in that school could do a project on and tell them the right way to implement this.
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Post by Hoya LNU on Jun 28, 2008 16:35:49 GMT -5
Keep in mind that just because you're able to pony up the Hoop Club donation for a couple of seats doesn't mean they're available at that price - getting into the lower bowl last year required a donation of a few thousand due to the high demand and low turnover of season ticket holders. I'm guessing demand will prove to be pretty inelastic, even with the higher donation levels.
Does anyone know the percentage of season ticket sales which go to corporate/organizational entities compared to individual sales?
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Post by hoya4ever on Jun 28, 2008 17:22:04 GMT -5
I am just confused. So in order to get season tickets when you are not a young alum is to also make a donation? Can you just buy the season tickets without one? Do people who make donations automatically get season tickets included in that price?
When do young alums sign up? Do we also have to make donations for our season tickets?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 28, 2008 19:47:16 GMT -5
I am just confused. So in order to get season tickets when you are not a young alum is to also make a donation?
Can you just buy the season tickets without one? You don't have to make a Hoop Club donation to get season tickets, but if you don't they will likely be in the upper deck (e.g., the 400s). No. The HHC donation is in addition to the season ticket cost. Don't know when, but the answer is yes for donations - although I believe the donation is minimal. You're best off contacting Steve Alleva, the ticket manager. He is very good about answering questions and his email is listed here: guhoyas.cstv.com/tickets/m-baskbl-ticket-info-08-09.htmlMore detailed season ticket info here: guhoyas.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/hoya-hoop-ticket-info.html |
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Post by section220 on Jun 28, 2008 20:27:21 GMT -5
Keep in mind that just because you're able to pony up the Hoop Club donation for a couple of seats doesn't mean they're available at that price - getting into the lower bowl last year required a donation of a few thousand due to the high demand and low turnover of season ticket holders. I'm guessing demand will prove to be pretty inelastic, even with the higher donation levels.quote] Last year I moved from 220 to 115 and only paid the $375... |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 28, 2008 20:30:55 GMT -5
I have not seen the new seating chart, but I would be surprised if any of the lower bowl, other than the student and YA sections, did not have a HHC donation requirement of some sort given the demand.
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Post by section220 on Jun 28, 2008 20:39:40 GMT -5
Yeah the whole lower bowl and 200 level is all donation required. But my point was that no one HAD to pay 1000 to be in the lower level. I believe anything from corner to corner behind the basket is a $50 donation this year where in section 115 last year no donation was required.
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Post by hoyatables on Jun 28, 2008 22:48:02 GMT -5
Our Section 121 per seat donation level raise from $150/seat to $500/seat is pretty damn steep. They are giving us a "discount" of $300/seat for this year, but that is still double. I'll be ok, but I am afraid I may lose some of my compatriots  . On edit --- the discount appears to be only for a couple of rows in the back, and I think it is in recognition of the fact that our donation amount more than tripled, so it is designed to offset that. I think it is a pretty good move by the university -- i don't mean to sound ungrateful for it. Just noting that it is a big jump and I'm curious as to whether others have found that its a similar experience. |
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Post by PushyGuyFanClub on Jun 28, 2008 23:22:19 GMT -5
Tables,
Where did you learn of this "discount"? I'm getting bumped from a $100 donation (YA $50x2) to a $1,500 donation ($750x2), which is an increase that I do in fact "perceive" as significant. If I can get that cut back by making some calls, I'd love to do so. Because after you tack on the ticket cost, that is a significant investment: ($1,500+(15*$32*2))=$2,460. That said, $82 per ticket per game doesn't seem so bad on the face until you realize you're paying for 15 of them (9 of which are sorta crappy games).
But to be frank, this is disaster of a letter from Mr. Muir. My scenario may be unique, but a 1,400% increase in donation level is pretty significant no matter who you are (my personal perceptions aside). As a previous poster noted, the pricing strategy here seems like it's being implemented by a bunch on children. Moreover, had I known something like this was coming, I would never have donated in excess of my requirements (which I've done the last few years knowing information like that about their customers... Then there's the fact that 50% or so of the games on the schedule are terrible. This isn't like the pros where, effort aside, you're guaranteed to see some talent on both sides every night. I'm supposed to drop $82 to watch Gtown's walkons play "crunch time" minutes against Navy?
Anyway, if there's a way to get these costs reduced, I'd love to know about it. Thanks.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jun 28, 2008 23:52:07 GMT -5
Bottom line: the program needs cold hard cash and Muir gets it.
Perceive as you must, but the Hoyas need money. They could have a hoagie sale or semi-bilk fans. The latter is the better option.
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Post by hoyatables on Jun 28, 2008 23:55:11 GMT -5
PushyGuy -- as I noted above, the letter was targeted only to the rear rows in the 100 level and I think because our giving rates more than tripled. I think it was actually an attempt to soften the blow.
That said, I think the University should have also considered the steep sticker shock for young alums transitioning to "real prices" and I absolutely agree that a little more "fair warning" would have been a good idea.
Good point about breaking it down on a per-game basis. I'll tend to look at the rates as $100/game for the conference games and then $40-50/game for the Navy ones. it makes me feel a little better.
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Post by hoyatables on Jun 28, 2008 23:56:19 GMT -5
Bottom line: the program needs cold hard cash and Muir gets it. Perceive as you must, but the Hoyas need money. They could have a hoagie sale or semi-bilk fans. The latter is the better option. Absolutely, Giga. That practice facility isn't going to pay for itself! |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jun 29, 2008 0:45:49 GMT -5
Bottom line: the program needs cold hard cash and Muir gets it. Perceive as you must, but the Hoyas need money. They could have a hoagie sale or semi-bilk fans. The latter is the better option. Absolutely, Giga. That practice facility isn't going to pay for itself! Exactly. Listen guys, we're talking about the most successful non-D1 football program of the last 35 years with smoke, mirrors, and the guidance of JT(who isn't free either). If we want to step up and not be Providence et. al, we need cash. You can't have it both ways. JTIII, practice facility, and gutting McDonough doesn't come cheap. You either pay or you get Esh, MCI, and practice facilities shared with Women's Tetherball. It's that simple. |
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Post by youngjeezy on Jun 29, 2008 1:30:24 GMT -5
Absolutely, Giga. That practice facility isn't going to pay for itself! Exactly. Listen guys, we're talking about the most successful non-D1 football program of the last 35 years with smoke, mirrors, and the guidance of JT(who isn't free either). If we want to step up and not be Providence et. al, we need cash. You can't have it both ways. JTIII, practice facility, and gutting McDonough doesn't come cheap. You either pay or you get Esh, MCI, and practice facilities shared with Women's Tetherball. It's that simple. ie we need one of our rich alumni to dump about 50 mil into the gtown bball program and watch the magic. real fast. |
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Post by KeysPlaceHoya on Jun 29, 2008 7:55:32 GMT -5
It looks like my seat donation doubled from $250/seat to $500/seat. Can't say I'm happy about that but I'll gladly fork over the money.
The silver lining:
1) Almost the entire amount of the hoop club donation is tax deductible
2) The row in front of mine is $750/seat! I love my seats!
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