hoyatables
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Post by hoyatables on Jun 30, 2008 10:46:24 GMT -5
And not all lower-level seats have a $500 minimum donation. Corner sections have lower numbers (I don't have the numbers in front of me, but they are lower). Yep, the corners are as low as $100. The middle sections used to have a greater level of gradation as you moved to the rear. For the four sections that are not center court, they eliminated the distinction between the rear three rows and the rows in front of them, so that we're all now at the higher level. I understand the reasons, but this also better mean we start getting free stuff back there. We're no longer in the cheap seats.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 30, 2008 10:58:37 GMT -5
i would love to complain but im going to renew in 111 so what's the point
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 30, 2008 10:59:47 GMT -5
I think the HHC raised about $1.7MM last year, and the increases won't be applied to all of that money (people who donate without tickets, people who donate well above their minimums).
I think the donations increase probably -- completely guessing -- is more in the neighborhood of a hald a million. Still not chump change. But if we could generate $4-5mm in additional revenues, we could break ground on the practice facility pretty quickly.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 30, 2008 11:03:39 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts:
1. People are entirely right that the Louisville situation is completely different, but given that prices are still nowhere close, the point was that Georgetown tickets, for the level of sporting event it is, are still relatively cheap.
2. Is there a risk this decreases demand? I'm sure it will a little bit. My guess -- the school comes out ahead in short term return.
3. One way the HHC could help salve the wounds of the needed price increase is to increase some of the other benefits they offer that are nice but essentially cheap. In other words, give a little more bang for the buck for the other portion of the HHC donation.
4. I didn't read the letter, but those things are almost impossible to write. Each person wants to hear it differently. Each person wants to hear something else. And almost everyone is going into it with an annoyed point of view.
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Post by hoyasaxa98 on Jun 30, 2008 11:13:07 GMT -5
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Did you include the four lower bowl sections that have Young Alums in them in this figuring? [/quote]
I was just using the numbers from above...
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Jun 30, 2008 11:41:07 GMT -5
I guess all I'm saying is, once we get the actual seating chart (I still haven't seen it), is it fair to say that after taking out say 10% of the seats at each level for administration/families/etc., we can expect our annual report to reflect numbers somewhere near what the seating chart asks for? I believe the ticket chart shows the young alumni section and things of that nature so we can factor them out.
If not, the chart is demanding prices that people aren't willing to pay. And season ticket holders would actually be paying more than individual game ticket buyers who sit in the 100 and 200 level and just pay for the value of a ticket.
I'm not trying to make a point; I'll reserve judgement until we see this year's annual report and can marry it up with last year's seating chart.
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Post by PushyGuyFanClub on Jun 30, 2008 11:52:14 GMT -5
I've come around to the fact that the program needs money and that on a comparative basis the rates they're charging this year are not outlandish. That said, if I'm going to donate $1,500 for the right to purchase two seats, I agree with the others who have posted here that the level or service absolutely needs to get stepped up.
That means, for example, Georgetown making sure that the Verizon Center ushers are not mean-spirited. They should know who sits where, learn to recognize faces, and not demand to see a ticket stub every time you go in and out of your section.
On a different note, given that the letter seemed to allude to the fact that they expected some sort of pushback to these increases, they should have used their StubHub connection to facilitate some kind of seat swapping, so if someone wants to move up and donate more, they can swap with someone who wants to donate less. As it stands, by controlling the ticket reorganization process, people who want to change seats have no idea if they're getting a fair shake.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 30, 2008 12:35:29 GMT -5
The dreaded BenedictArnold College has its own in-house seat swapping / sales site (which I do not think actually gets much use - people still sell them on stubhub, eBay, craigslist) They also have ticketing software that allows them to manage their season tickets easily and efficiently - something I do not believe exists in McDonough. Room for improvement.
As for moving up, I am pretty sure there are lists maintained but there are plenty of HHC donors who have seats for which they donate significantly above the minimum requirements for their location. While that may not seem fair, it also is not fair to boot someone who meets the minimums out of better seats they have held and used for a longer period of time.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 30, 2008 12:49:46 GMT -5
Back in MY day (1998-2001)....
$50 donation to HHC $400 to $500 total for 3 season tickets about 2/3 way up section 121
Life was good. On the other hand...
Neighboring section 120 was always full of visiting team's fans - love the drunk guys from Syracuse Pre-game/post-game options consisted of Burger King and Jaelo - no Five Guys, Chipotle, Clydes, Ruby Tuesday, Potbelly, etc. "Let's Go Mountaineers" and "U-C-O-N-N" cheers echoed much better around the arena AND OH YEAH, no final four; no BET championship; no regular season championships; no Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, Jonathan Wallace, etc.; No #1 recruit coming in, no JT3, and on and on
Look, if I were still in DC, I'm sure I'd be moaning about the price increases too (unless I was some high paid associate at a DC law firm like some people on here). However, if I had to choose between the two scenarios above, I know which one I'd choose.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 30, 2008 12:54:47 GMT -5
I will definitely not attend many games this year. Contributions and season tickets are too costly leading to the situation where the only available tickets are in the nosebleed section where you can hardly tell which player is which. Alternatives are stubhub or standing outside hoping to buy some scalper's tickets in the lower bowl at a lower price than stubhub. My TV will get lots of action this year. And I say this not as someone in any sort of destitute situation but one who cannot conceive of spending that kind of money for any event more than once or twice a year. I think the university will come to regret this attempt to bilk Hoya fans.
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Post by bmartin on Jun 30, 2008 13:00:37 GMT -5
I am not a Georgetown alumnus, but have had season tickets in Section 213 outside the Hoop Club donation area. Now those tickets have a donation and a price increase. I bought season tickets to ensure good seats for big games, but at every BE game I was surrounded by opposing fans, so good seats obviously were available on StubHub. I'm not sure whether I should pay the extra amount for my season tickets or just go on StubHub and buy individual game tickets from other season ticket holders. Maybe they will have a 6-game mini-pack with the top games, as they did in 05-06. I do know that I don't have to make a decision right away despite the deposit deadline. With the price increase, there is no way they are selling as many season tickets as last year, so seats comparable to mine will be available.
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 30, 2008 13:02:48 GMT -5
Back in MY day (1998-2001).... $50 donation to HHC $400 to $500 total for 3 season tickets about 2/3 way up section 121 Life was good. On the other hand... Neighboring section 120 was always full of visiting team's fans - love the drunk guys from Syracuse Pre-game/post-game options consisted of Burger King and Jaelo - no Five Guys, Chipotle, Clydes, Ruby Tuesday, Potbelly, etc. "Let's Go Mountaineers" and "U-C-O-N-N" cheers echoed much better around the arena AND OH YEAH, no final four; no BET championship; no regular season championships; no Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, Jonathan Wallace, etc.; No #1 recruit coming in, no JT3, and on and on Look, if I were still in DC, I'm sure I'd be moaning about the price increases too (unless I was some high paid associate at a DC law firm like some people on here). However, if I had to choose between the two scenarios above, I know which one I'd choose. That's the other problem - if you're not a high-paid associate at a DC firm, you may not get season tickets. It's becoming increasingly difficult to graduate from young alum tickets to standard season tickets (especially if you went to grad school). Result is that you create fewer hard-core fans and more people that want to talk about stock prices and McMansion decorating than cheering.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 30, 2008 13:07:05 GMT -5
It's definitely a concern. The NBA basically priced its real fans out of real seats and baseball is doing so.
That said, especially because we don't get concession money, the money play seems to overwhelm these longer term concerns.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 30, 2008 13:07:09 GMT -5
I only wish I could participate in this gripe session about Hoya Tix. But as someone who lives so far away attendance is virtually impossible, I can only envy you guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2008 13:11:50 GMT -5
With the price increase, there is no way they are selling as many season tickets as last year, so seats comparable to mine will be available. Maybe, maybe not. Two years ago, at the last increase, the renewal rate was over 90%. Will have to see what the market bears this time around.
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Post by bmartin on Jun 30, 2008 13:35:48 GMT -5
With the price increase, there is no way they are selling as many season tickets as last year, so seats comparable to mine will be available. Maybe, maybe not. Two years ago, at the last increase, the renewal rate was over 90%. Will have to see what the market bears this time around. Back then, fan support was building each year. Last year, with seniors coming off a Final Four, season tickets came close to maxing out the local support base. With the economy as it is, I would expect a decline even without the price increases.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jun 30, 2008 15:40:08 GMT -5
The good news is that MrsPGFC is happy to pay it (I'll cave to, though I am investigating lower cost options). She wants to hang on to the seats. I'm the one who's been getting killed in the market. I always knew there was something special about that woman Glad to know that you'll be back next season, despite the market. So on the topic of people maybe giving up their seats because of the increase: let me and 'tables know if you're giving up your seats, because we're still trying to draw our Dook-fan significant others away from the dark side and into HoyaNation. I take it as a point of pride that Girlfriend of C2C could name more Hoyas than Dookies last season; this next season could be the tipping point! Basically, for me this increase boils down to not going to a wedding or a bachelor party this summer/fall . But hey, my obsession with Hoya Hoops has cost me friendships before, so no big deal And 'tables is absolutely right: if we're going to pay the same price as the rows below us, we better be getting some free schwag!
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Post by kchoya on Jun 30, 2008 16:04:48 GMT -5
The good news is that MrsPGFC is happy to pay it (I'll cave to, though I am investigating lower cost options). She wants to hang on to the seats. I'm the one who's been getting killed in the market. I always knew there was something special about that woman Glad to know that you'll be back next season, despite the market. So on the topic of people maybe giving up their seats because of the increase: let me and 'tables know if you're giving up your seats, because we're still trying to draw our Dook-fan significant others away from the dark side and into HoyaNation. I take it as a point of pride that Girlfriend of C2C could name more Hoyas than Dookies last season; this next season could be the tipping point! Basically, for me this increase boils down to not going to a wedding or a bachelor party this summer/fall . But hey, my obsession with Hoya Hoops has cost me friendships before, so no big deal And 'tables is absolutely right: if we're going to pay the same price as the rows below us, we better be getting some free schwag! I could name the Dook starting lineup right now for next year (and the next ten years): PG - slow, over-hyped white guy who's really good at slapping the floor and causes Dookie V to have stroke the one time he hits a three SG - average guard who seems like he's been at Dook for 7 year now, does nothing exceptionally well and leads the team in hugs from Coach K SF - skinny white guy who occasionally hits a three and dunks the ball and "knows how to play the right way" but really sucks anytime anyone D's him up PF - undersized big man who gets lots of points and boards because no one else on the team is any good, has 15% chance of actually being good (ala Brand or Boozer) C - 7-foot stiff that no one would rate in their top-100 but for the fact they're going to Duke, 50% chance they transfer within 2 years
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Post by PushyGuyFanClub on Jul 1, 2008 10:30:22 GMT -5
Posting this in case others are interested: Just got done talking with the always helpful Steve Alleva. If you want to move up or down donation levels, there are some very good seats available in all of the different levels. He said there's been lots of moving around this year.
Kudos to GU for the improved customer service.
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Post by tlphoya on Jul 1, 2008 10:55:27 GMT -5
maybe someday we can commandeer a section as hoya talk board members only... and friends/family of course.
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