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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Jun 24, 2008 16:41:11 GMT -5
I don't know how many times you've seen him play but Chris Kaman certainly is no stiff.
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Post by moe09 on Jun 24, 2008 17:02:56 GMT -5
Yeah, it definitely would've been nice for Roy's quickness to have been recorded at Orlando, but at the same time I'm sure it's being recorded in all of these private workouts, and these idiots who are talking about him being "slow" haven't really watched him at all, and are just assuming this by watching the way he runs and knowing he's about 7'2". That's how you know they're frauds.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 24, 2008 17:46:30 GMT -5
If there's one thing I'd like to see Roy improve, it isn't shooting, or boxing out, or quickness.... it would be "Killer Instinct".
He is determined to be good. Very good. He works hard. He takes this very seriously. He's made HUGE progress during his four years at GU -- as much as any Hoya I can remember.
But I still want to see that killer instinct. No more going soft to the hoop so Blair, or Dorsey or some other little ____ can sneak up behind him and knock it out of his hands.
Be that Roy who was shouting at MSG that's he's a monster! Go for it Roy. You can be a very solid pro or 10+ years.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 24, 2008 18:29:47 GMT -5
From Simmons: And Ford with the wet blanket (big surprise): Argh, this Editedes me off to no end. All these people act like the NBA is full of 7-2 gazelles running up and down the floor. Think about it for a second (that's all it takes) and list all of the big men you can think of that you would classify as being able to run the floor. They're either freaks of nature (Oden, Garnett, Tyson Chandler) or they're less than 7-feet tall (Dwight Howard, Amare, Noah). Seriously, here are the only "centers" (as classified by the NBA) to average 20 minutes a game last year: 1 Dwight Howard , ORL - stud 2 Chris Kaman , LAC - stiff 3 Ming Yao , HOU - all-star 4 Al Jefferson , MIN - power forward 5 Tyson Chandler , NOH - athletic 6 Marcus Camby , DEN - athletic but 6'11" 7 Brad Miller , SAC - stiff 8 Andrew Bogut , MIL - stiff 9 Amare Stoudemire , PHX - power forward 10 Samuel Dalembert , PHI - athletic but 6'11" 11 Mehmet Okur , UTA - plays outside the lane 12 Al Horford , ATL - power forward 13 Ben Wallace , CLE-CHI - really only like 6'5" 14 Rasheed Wallace , DET - plays outside the lane 15 Zydrunas Ilgauskas , CLE - Euro Roy 16 Brendan Haywood , WAS 17 Andris Biedrins , GSW - maybe 6'11" with spiky hair 18 Josh Boone , NJN - only 6'10" and he’s from Uconn 19 Kendrick Perkins , BOS - power forward 20 Jeff Foster , IND - a whole 6ppg 21 Erick Dampier , DAL - a whole 3ppg 22 Andrea Bargnani , TOR - plays outside the lane 23 Darko Milicic , MEM - bust 24 Joel Przybilla , POR - 7'11" but only 185 lbs 25 Kurt Thomas , SAS-SEA - power forward 26 Rasho Nesterovic , TOR a whole 0.4 blocks per game 27 Joakim Noah , CHI - hifigator sucks 28 Nazr Mohammed , CHA-DET - only 6'10" 29 Fabricio Oberto , SAS - get a haircut Bravo, kc. There aren't many guys Hibbert's size. Period. And the vast majority can't beat LeBron James down the court so what's all the fuss? Hibbert is not really athletic. He is not an explosive leaper. He has sneaky quickness in the halfcourt with some moves but he's not fast. Obviously all of those are physical flaws. And if Roy was 6'9 or 6'10 with so-so hands I would simply think it would be nice if he got drafted in the mid to late second round. But he balances or overcomes those physical shortcomings because he is 7'2 and can get his shot off against anybody. And he does have great hands which you can't teach (looking at you, Thabeet). And his hands provide him with a ridiculously soft touch which allows the shots to roll in after the ball leaves them. And he is not some Shawn Bradley stringbean, he has a reasonably strong body which just needs rome more refining. And he is just as good with the left hand as he is with his right. And he is highly skilled for a big man. And he does have a high basketball IQ. And he knows how to pass out of a double team better than half the big men in the NBA. And he does have legit range on his shot, out to three point territory. And he can knock down free throws. And he is tall enough to be a defensive presence in the paint even though he is not a great shotblocker. And he does have an incredible work ethic. And he is a strong character guy who will likely represent your franchise in the right way. And he is about as battle tested as any big man coming out of college in a long time. That ain't bad. Sure he ain't perfect. He has flaws. But if he had all the good characteristics I mentioned above and also had the world class athleticism, and quickness to go along with it (as well as a nasty streak) he would have never even gone to college in the first place. At the very most he would have been in school for a year and by now be well on his way as being one of the greatest centers of all time. But wasn't our or his reality. Tthe fact that he wasn't an athletic freak made him work on the little things and the fundamentals. His positives, IMO, clearly outweigh his negatives.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 24, 2008 18:37:05 GMT -5
But I still want to see that killer instinct. No more going soft to the hoop so Blair, or Dorsey or some other little ____ can sneak up behind him and knock it out of his hands. Great point. Roy's aggressiveness has been perhaps his greatest downfall. Still I think some of this is overblown. If I let you guys borrowed my basketball tape collection you would faint after seeing the no-names guys who pushed Mourning and Mutombo out of the paint or stripped them of the ball or blocked their shots, even in their final years. Folks forget that. Plus enough of the Blair mythology. This is almost as bad as those back in the day who claimed Laettner killed Mourning in the '89 regional even though Zo was concentrating mostly on Ferry. At MSG for the BE title Blair could not stop Hibbert. He had to be bailed out by boys like Sam Young flying in for blocks on the weakside. When that wasn't coming Roy was scoring over Blair and their other big man with ease by using that hook shot..
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Post by jgalt on Jun 24, 2008 19:32:58 GMT -5
i dont know how "fast" he is in the open court, but i dont really care. In the post he makes himself quick by getting into good position with his feet. he can move clear across the lane with one step, he doesnt have to be "quick" or "athletic" just smart- and that is something even Ford will concede he is.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 24, 2008 22:49:09 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Jun 25, 2008 0:09:15 GMT -5
it took me five minutes to figure out that "teresting" isnt a word and it was just a typo. the article was interesting, i wish it contained like an aggregate or average of what rank each guy had (even though that would necessarily be accurate) im not even going to touch the age thing, everybody on here should realize the outrageous shenanigans that analysts pull every year when they talk about potential but forget to tell you any players age.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 25, 2008 5:19:19 GMT -5
ok so lets look at this and see where he compares to big men who could potentially go higher than him read: brook, robin, koufous, speights, mcgee, jordan.
pts/40min: he's higher than mcgee, jordan, and robin. and essentially tied with kofous 0.2 difference. jordan and lopez are the worst here.
rbds/40 min: only higher than koufous and robin. essentially tied with mcgee 0.1 diff.
offrbs/40min: tied with mcgee everyone else higher.
blks/40 min: behind mcgee and robin only. speights and jordan are the low men here.
stls/40 min: only one better was mcgee. jordan and koufous are the low men.
assits/40 min: second on the list higher than anyother center he's competing with. koufous, mcgee, and jordan are the low men.
TOs/40 min: only koufous turned it over less than roy. mcgee and jordan are the worst here.
assit/To ratio: significantly better than the competition one of 2 centers over 1.0 once again jordan and mcgee are the worst.
PPR: second and again no one close. you guessed it mcgee and jordan.
FTA/40 min: better than speights, koufous, robin, mcgee. tied w/ jordan koufous and speights are worst.
FTA/FGA: better than speights, koufous, mcgee, and essentially tied with robin 0.1 diff. koufous and speights are the worst.
3ptM/40min: roy is one of 3 centers to have a number other than 0 both koufous and Mcgee had numbers higher than roy's
3ptA/FGA: Koufous and Mcgee and surprisingly Brook(seeing as he apparently never made one) have higher values than roy.
True Shooting %: only speights has a higher value.they're the only players i'm discussing over 60% brook and koufous are the worst.
effective FG%: Jordan and speights are 1% above roy. and we all know abotu brook's terrible 47%.
Pts/Pos: Only speights has a higher value and it's by 0.02. Mcgee and jordan are the low men here.
Player Efficiency rating: second only to speights. jordan and robin are the low men.
efficienct per 40 min: same results as above. makes sense.
Win score: again second to speights with robin and koufous bringing up the rear.
% of temas possessions: brook has the highest jordan has the lowest. Roy's smack dab in the middle with more than jordan, robin, speights but less the koufous, mcgee and brook.
So overall " by the numbers" Roy and speights look good.
Robin, mcgee, and jordan look bad
and koufous and brook look middling.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 25, 2008 5:35:54 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 25, 2008 6:06:31 GMT -5
Probably doesn't fit Jim O'Brien's system, but at least there is now a report that Larry Bird thinks highly of Roy. Bird is probably just tired of the knuckleheads he has been dealing with on the Pacers' squad: www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080625/SPORTS04/806250411/1088/SPORTS04 Bird spoke highly of Georgetown center Roy Hibbert, a 7-2 shot-blocker. Bird likes his experience and said he is capable of contributing immediately.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 25, 2008 6:42:25 GMT -5
Not Indiana, please...
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 25, 2008 7:59:36 GMT -5
NICE COMMENTS KEEP A COMING go roy good luck thurs your gu hoya family is pulling for you and pat and jon and tyler in europe VERY PROUD SENIORS GRADS ROMMIES TEAMATES
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 25, 2008 8:36:42 GMT -5
"rugged toughness" of the Lopez twins? not exactly the words I would have chosen...
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 25, 2008 8:53:21 GMT -5
this is the first i've heard of any chatter attributed to Falk re Roy's draft status...in today's washington post article on the Wizards:
"Hibbert, who is the most experienced center in a draft deep at that position, declined an invitation to work out for the Wizards because his agent felt that he is a lock to go higher than 18th. Grunfeld said that would not prevent the Wizards from taking him."
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jun 25, 2008 9:42:33 GMT -5
People are missing this major point: Roy has Pat Sr's suit(s). So there can be no talk about his growing into an All Star's suit.
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Post by jgalt on Jun 25, 2008 10:05:11 GMT -5
People are missing this major point: Roy has Pat Sr's suit(s). So there can be no talk about his growing into an All Star's suit. does roy where pats shoes too?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 25, 2008 15:51:39 GMT -5
Peter, (Florence Italy): Where do you see Roy Hibbert ending up? How good of a pro do you think he will be? - Hoya Fan abroad.
SportsNation Jay Bilas: (4:13 PM ET ) Roy will be solid. He does not change ends well, and he does not really move his feet, but he can catch, finish and he is big and skilled. He can come in and provide quality minutes for a good team right away. Great kid, too.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 25, 2008 17:32:40 GMT -5
I watched the second half of the GU v WVU game on ESPNU today. It was the Big East Game, the one with the Hoyas running of 16 straight in the second half. Roy and Jessie both scored in the 20s. You watch that game and Roy's a top 5 pick!
My guess is he goes higher than everyone is predicting. Jeff did too.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 25, 2008 17:43:01 GMT -5
Things are getting interesting right now with both Charlotte and Indiana - two teams whose management has expressed serious interest in Roy -- securing additional first round picks with Charlotte grabbing the 20th spot from the Nuggets and Indiana getting 17th pick from Toronto. Someone posted Bird's comments on Roy and how he is seeking a more polished product - I could see Roy going to Indiana at 17. At the very least, Roy now has a very good chance to go 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 23.
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