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Post by 98hoya on Apr 30, 2008 14:26:06 GMT -5
That's life in big time athletics. Maybe that's just it, RDF. If it is, then shame on all of us. As an aside, Victor was my classmate and I knew him personally. I'm curious how you know so much about his academic issues or that Vernon wasn't recruited because he knows a lot about Douglass, but I guess sometimes just guessing is enough "in big time athletics."
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Post by royski on Apr 30, 2008 14:37:15 GMT -5
The University of Florida is better than 90% of schools in this country. Let's not pretend that its some sort of community college.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2008 14:38:09 GMT -5
The University of Florida is better than 90% of schools in this country. Let's not pretend that its some sort of community college. hifi, is that you?
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Post by jgalt on Apr 30, 2008 14:50:21 GMT -5
The University of Florida is better than 90% of schools in this country. Let's not pretend that its some sort of community college. hifi, is that you? well he's right, and to take it further (and what i sort of meant in my first post) is that a college degree from just about anywhere is better than no degree at all so no matter where Vern (or any other student) goes getting the degree and the education are the most important the name on the paper doesnt really mean squat, it only tells you how much debt youve got to pay back
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Post by Boz on Apr 30, 2008 14:58:56 GMT -5
Three pages already....wow.
Slow news day. Where's Jeremiah Wright when you need him?
;D
I feel sorry a bit for hifi actually. Poor guy's going to think we actually care about his school with the length of this thread.
Are we sure Vernon is worthy of wearing Gator apparel and entering the Florida practice facility though?
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 30, 2008 15:04:05 GMT -5
Academically, if Vern transfers to a Division I school he will have to sit out a year before playing so he will have time for another year of academics. Then two more years if needed.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 30, 2008 15:20:48 GMT -5
Yeah where is Hifi, he should be all over this thread?
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Post by hoyaclap on Apr 30, 2008 15:47:10 GMT -5
this is a red herring. This is the first time I can ever recall such a detailed discussion regarding disappointment in the academic reasoning behind a transfer. Besides the fact that Florida is a fine school, There is nothing wrong in my opinion with a student who is at Georgetown as much for basketball as academics (in terms of commitment) to make a decision to attend a school that is better suited for his desires. When prospects turn us down for various reasons for an "inferior" school then we don't really harp on the poor academic decisions. Every single transfer that has happened under JTIII has been a player going to a school which is better serves each of them basketball wise, but hasn't been a "peer" institution. I don't think its fair to address our disappointment of the academic decision if Vernon was to say that he was to transfer because of academics. I'd like to mention again that Florida is a fine school that offers academic paths unavailable at Georgetown. I don't know what the big deal is. As mentioned before, non-athletes transfer for far less noble reasons without this much disappointment. If an athlete is going to spend in some cased 30-40 hours a week playing basketball in college, he or she might as well be happy with that time. There is plenty of disappointment to be had about why this is a poor basketball decision for Vernon, but when we let that mutate into a poor academic decision, we're just being foolish.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 30, 2008 17:08:46 GMT -5
Are we sure Vernon is worthy of wearing Gator apparel and entering the Florida practice facility though? Well, apparently their own players aren't worthy of entering their practice facility, so I would say no
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 30, 2008 18:01:54 GMT -5
Absolutely. It's his life. I hope the baseless assumptions you're making are correct. I'm making my assumption based on the existing evidence that like so many others that have come before him, he's grabbing at a brass ring that's not there. Hey, it's Victor Paige's life. We sure helped that guy out. He sure owes Georgetown one. How long have you been a fan of Georgetown Basketball? Do you understand how college sports operate? I'll let you in on a secret--Victor Page was brought in and "helped by Georgetown" because he was a talented player who could put Hoyas over top and make them contend for a National Title. If he was not capable of playing, he'd not have been "helped" by the University. I won't go into Vic's background, but it's a mutal thing--Georgetown gave Vic a shot and he gave them a shot to win and be on big stage again. That's life in big time athletics. Some of you guys are coming off as if Georgetown is in a pollyanna society--where they only recruit kids who are great students and put what is best for the student athlete ahead of all. It's still a major CBB program whose prime objective is to WIN. Macklin wasn't coveted for his ability to recite the works of Frederick Douglass or Martin Luther King, he was brought in to help the program win basketball games. Now the Georgetown experience is available to any young man who enters the program--but your academic experience in college or social experience is only what YOU put into it--you can succeed anywhere and nobody is going to say "Vernon Macklin transferred from Georgetown and went to Florida, I won't hire him...." Vernon made a decision based on what he/program felt was best--he moved on--Georgetown moved on. So many of you act like this was a shot at Georgetown-it's not-it's part of big time athletics and you have to get used to it if you plan on seeing Hoyas continue to compete for Big East and National Championships. Didn't see this type of commentary when PE JR transferred TO Georgetown from Indiana. It's about what the program/players feel is in their best interest for the future and I'm just sick of the shots being fired and the arrogance of the Georgetown "educational experience" being used against players who decide to leave. Nobody has mentioned Vernon was in grade trouble--did he not qualify academically? Did he not play both years without missing a game? I'm done with this now--and just hope something else happens because it's beyond frustrating to see the viewpoints and self centered fan viewpoints on what is best for someone you only know as "#1, backup Center Vernon Macklin". I pretty much don't have a dog in this race as i understand both sides of the issue. That said, I don't get why certain posters choose to spend so much time to Hoya Talk only to get "beyond frustrated" with what they read. It baffles me!!! If you really have a problem with the content on this board... do us all a favor and stop logging on incessantly and blasting half the board in the process. Some people just sound so angry and need to get a life and RELAX!!!!
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 30, 2008 18:32:27 GMT -5
good luck to vernon but still think not a great move for him either academically or for his bball developement neither but what do i know but best to him hope it works out go hoyas
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 30, 2008 19:47:12 GMT -5
How long have you been a fan of Georgetown Basketball? Do you understand how college sports operate? I'll let you in on a secret--Victor Page was brought in and "helped by Georgetown" because he was a talented player who could put Hoyas over top and make them contend for a National Title. If he was not capable of playing, he'd not have been "helped" by the University. I won't go into Vic's background, but it's a mutal thing--Georgetown gave Vic a shot and he gave them a shot to win and be on big stage again. That's life in big time athletics. Some of you guys are coming off as if Georgetown is in a pollyanna society--where they only recruit kids who are great students and put what is best for the student athlete ahead of all. It's still a major CBB program whose prime objective is to WIN. Macklin wasn't coveted for his ability to recite the works of Frederick Douglass or Martin Luther King, he was brought in to help the program win basketball games. Now the Georgetown experience is available to any young man who enters the program--but your academic experience in college or social experience is only what YOU put into it--you can succeed anywhere and nobody is going to say "Vernon Macklin transferred from Georgetown and went to Florida, I won't hire him...." Vernon made a decision based on what he/program felt was best--he moved on--Georgetown moved on. So many of you act like this was a shot at Georgetown-it's not-it's part of big time athletics and you have to get used to it if you plan on seeing Hoyas continue to compete for Big East and National Championships. Didn't see this type of commentary when PE JR transferred TO Georgetown from Indiana. It's about what the program/players feel is in their best interest for the future and I'm just sick of the shots being fired and the arrogance of the Georgetown "educational experience" being used against players who decide to leave. Nobody has mentioned Vernon was in grade trouble--did he not qualify academically? Did he not play both years without missing a game? I'm done with this now--and just hope something else happens because it's beyond frustrating to see the viewpoints and self centered fan viewpoints on what is best for someone you only know as "#1, backup Center Vernon Macklin". I pretty much don't have a dog in this race as i understand both sides of the issue. That said, I don't get why certain posters choose to spend so much time to Hoya Talk only to get "beyond frustrated" with what they read. It baffles me!!! If you really have a problem with the content on this board... do us all a favor and stop logging on incessantly and blasting half the board in the process. Some people just sound so angry and need to get a life and RELAX!!!! It sounds like one of the surface people has infiltrated the Board. Shun him!
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Post by JimmyHoya on Apr 30, 2008 20:40:33 GMT -5
I agree with RDF.
I think it's comical people are so worried about the academic and non-basketball future of Macklin. No matter what, the kid is trying to play basketball now and in the future for some time.
Frankly, I highly doubt whatever degree track he was headed on at Georgetown is going to be his focus a decade down the road when he's looking for a "real job", anyway. It was something to keep him on the right track and headed towards his true goal: the NBA.
Did anybody see him in the Biz lab recently? Maybe in Reiss with his Pre-Med books? Didn't think so.
JT II's whole message was not necessarily teaching kids about Kant and Thomas Jefferson, but using the school's resources to shape them as people. So in that regard, if you really think UF is going to fail him in training him as a person for life decades from now, I suppose that's valid (but there isn't a lot of evidence to that end and I hope it's not true). Otherwise get off your high horse. As RDF said, Macklin is here to play basketball, not write a thesis on arab studies or whatever. Get over him transferring (most said he s*cked anyway) and hope he can fulfill his goal and make it to the NBA/begin a successful career. 5 years of continually having to fulfill responsibilities as a student-athlete at 99% of schools takes some effort and maturity. How many NBA kids getting into trouble are the ones who went to their senior year of college? Not nearly as many as the ones who jumped from HS or only after a year or two in school. HE'LL BE OKAY.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 30, 2008 20:46:38 GMT -5
I pretty much don't have a dog in this race as i understand both sides of the issue. That said, I don't get why certain posters choose to spend so much time to Hoya Talk only to get "beyond frustrated" with what they read. It baffles me!!! If you really have a problem with the content on this board... do us all a favor and stop logging on incessantly and blasting half the board in the process. Some people just sound so angry and need to get a life and RELAX!!!! It sounds like one of the surface people has infiltrated the Board. Shun him! You mean there is more than one of you!?! Being called "surface people" by someone who likely never watched Patrick Sr. play for the Hoyas is funny.
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Post by vcjack on Apr 30, 2008 20:48:43 GMT -5
my Godfather and his UF degree has made more money than I'll probably ever make with my Georgetown degree. Its all just a matter of opportuinty. And if Vernon believes that we were stiffling his future, then its best that he seeks the opportunity to shine elsewhere, the name of the front of the jersey or on your diploma really isn't that important if you don't let that limit you.
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Post by jgalt on May 1, 2008 10:29:27 GMT -5
my Godfather and his UF degree has made more money than I'll probably ever make with my Georgetown degree. Its all just a matter of opportuinty. And if Vernon believes that we were stiffling his future, then its best that he seeks the opportunity to shine elsewhere, the name of the front of the jersey or on your diploma really isn't that important if you don't let that limit you. i agree with you vc, i would only say its the recognition of opportunity and the effort put forth after the recognition is what matters.
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Post by swhoya on May 1, 2008 14:01:47 GMT -5
Hey, did everyone hear Mr. Potatohead is opening his own restaurant?!?
Seriously, I've been as hard on Vern, and what he might have meant to this program, as anyone else on the board. But come on, none of us have any idea what his motivations are. If he goes to Florida or some other school, I hope he makes the best of it, both on the court and in the classroom. That being said, maybe I just think too highly of Georgetown, but I gotta think that it's not just any old major college basketball program. I think there are probably many schools that everyone knows academics are secondary, if they're emphasized at all. I don't think that's the case with Gtown--on the by and large, if you're coming to Gtown, you know you're going to have to hit the books too.
I'm willing to give Vernon the benefit of the doubt (especially when I don't have any reason not to), that he knew and valued the academic side of Gtown as well. So I'm sure he'll approach his transfer in the same way.
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Post by jumbo7676 on May 2, 2008 8:12:49 GMT -5
Two thoughts on this issue:
1. Why is everyone so interested in how much money Vern can make at his job if he doesn't make it playing basketball? It seems like some people think that he should go to a school he doesn't want to go to and not be happy becuase he might make an extra 5-10% for a few years afterwards. I was a recruiter for 3 1/2 years and I can tell you that the school a candidate graduated from had very little influence over whether we offered a job and how much we paid. It may matter (a lot) if you're trying to work for a big financial or accounting firm, but most companies really don't care all that much where you went to school. After you've been working for a year or two, school means absolutely nothing. Your performance on the job is everything.
2. Florida is a large school with a lot of support for its athletic programs. There's no doubt it receives tremendous support from it's boosters. If Vern can perform even at a mediocre level in his time there he will probably have an easier time getting a good job through supporters of the team than he would with a degree from Georgetown.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 2, 2008 10:26:45 GMT -5
I am disappointed that Vernon chose to transfer. I believe that his energy level will be missed. I am also disappointed that he is not allowing himself to become acclemated to the system. However, if he choose to transfer the Gators and Donavan will be an excellent choice. I believe that his skill level will fit in well with Florida.....Much success Vernon
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Post by Hoya TMF on May 2, 2008 10:32:38 GMT -5
Hey, did everyone hear Mr. Potatohead is opening his own restaurant?!? Seriously, I've been as hard on Vern, and what he might have meant to this program, as anyone else on the board. But come on, none of us have any idea what his motivations are. If he goes to Florida or some other school, I hope he makes the best of it, both on the court and in the classroom. That being said, maybe I just think too highly of Georgetown, but I gotta think that it's not just any old major college basketball program. I think there are probably many schools that everyone knows academics are secondary, if they're emphasized at all. I don't think that's the case with Gtown--on the by and large, if you're coming to Gtown, you know you're going to have to hit the books too. I'm willing to give Vernon the benefit of the doubt (especially when I don't have any reason not to), that he knew and valued the academic side of Gtown as well. So I'm sure he'll approach his transfer in the same way. I agree. More importantly, when are we going to Va. to close down the Bum's restaurant?
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