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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 24, 2008 11:14:53 GMT -5
This is a win-win situation. For Vernon, he clearly needs more than 2 years of playing for the Hoyas in order to be NBA-ready because he needs to bulk up and become a more skilled player on both ends of the floor. Having an extra year of practice somewhere else while sitting out the year and then having 2 years of eligibility will be really helpful for him wherever he ends up. Look at Patrick Ewing, Jr. as a very similar case. I don't blame him at all if his goal is to make it to the NBA. For the Hoyas, I think it's fair to say that Vernon just isn't ready to be a factor at the Big East level and he'd be a Junior who really wants playing time. People can point to a few minutes here and there against such powerhouses as Davidson (their guards were good, their frontcourt weak), St. John's (they stink) and Pitt (I'll admit he played well there) but there is no way he is a significant Big East player. The Hoyas are better off giving a freshman his minutes and letting that freshman improve rather than a Junior like Macklin, while also having the extra scholarship available for hopefully an impact player. We lose a backup level player and that's it. I disagree completely. I think that Macklin has the capacity to start next year. In fact, I would prefer a lineup with Ticket starting and Monroe coming off the bench. All Macklin needs is lots of playing time and another hard summer in the weight room (and the table). He has the capacity to be a very good player in the Big East with a little more poise, confidence, strength, and slightly refined moves. I really hope this story is not true.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 24, 2008 11:21:35 GMT -5
i was really looking forward to some nice finishes from macklin after chris wright pushed the ball up court...
i think macklin can also provide problems defensively for guys on the perimeter...he had a real nice block on curry
what will the national anthem be like if rivers summers and macklin arent standing together?
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Post by Dhall on Apr 24, 2008 11:29:00 GMT -5
This is a win-win situation. For Vernon, he clearly needs more than 2 years of playing for the Hoyas in order to be NBA-ready because he needs to bulk up and become a more skilled player on both ends of the floor. Having an extra year of practice somewhere else while sitting out the year and then having 2 years of eligibility will be really helpful for him wherever he ends up. Look at Patrick Ewing, Jr. as a very similar case. I don't blame him at all if his goal is to make it to the NBA. For the Hoyas, I think it's fair to say that Vernon just isn't ready to be a factor at the Big East level and he'd be a Junior who really wants playing time. People can point to a few minutes here and there against such powerhouses as Davidson (their guards were good, their frontcourt weak), St. John's (they stink) and Pitt (I'll admit he played well there) but there is no way he is a significant Big East player. The Hoyas are better off giving a freshman his minutes and letting that freshman improve rather than a Junior like Macklin, while also having the extra scholarship available for hopefully an impact player. We lose a backup level player and that's it. I disagree completely. I think that Macklin has the capacity to start next year. In fact, I would prefer a lineup with Ticket starting and Monroe coming off the bench. All Macklin needs is lots of playing time and another hard summer in the weight room (and the table). He has the capacity to be a very good player in the Big East with a little more poise, confidence, strength, and slightly refined moves. I really hope this story is not true. I don't totally disagree with you that Macklin has the capacity to be good, but he has not shown it consistently since he has been here for 2+ years, so I don't understand why a few more months would make a big difference. Better to cut the losses and take a chance with a freshman who might have all of the same weaknesses you identify above but a bigger existing skill set, bigger upside and 4 years to do it rather than 2.
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Post by hoyasexy on Apr 24, 2008 11:34:22 GMT -5
If coach had followed Dhall's logic two years ago, Macklin would have taken over Hibbert's minutes.
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 24, 2008 11:36:07 GMT -5
agree article was certainly less sure than the previous link yesterday second i do think itd be best for vernon and for gu for him to stay but hes gotta decide.. and last whatever happens gott move on go hoyas good luck in whatever you do vernon ps tylers advice from his mom which he took to heart was excellent advice vern heard it and might think about that some
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 24, 2008 11:37:53 GMT -5
Still no other sources reporting anything...interesting but aggravating at the same time.
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Post by tgo on Apr 24, 2008 11:43:02 GMT -5
if true this is a big loss. Vern has shown flashes and potential and a lot of players dont do well being part time players, i remain confident that he can compete at the highest level if he gets the chance to put in the minutes on the court (as an aside, why did we never go to a two big lineup with him and roy at the same time? seems something that could have been tried on occasion at least but i dont remember ever seeing it).
he has been disappointing so far no question there. Vern definately expects to play in the NBA and knows he is not in a position to do that right now. nothing i have heard leads me to believ he hasnt been working his butt off (III wouldnt tout a player who wasnt) but is not getting the results he is accustomed to so what do you do? Look for other explanations since everyone says he has talent and he knows he has put in the work.
I expected him to have a huge year based in small part on my own assessment of him but in huge part since III constantly talks up Vern. he singled him out several times before last season as someone to watch, i remember jay bilas and i think others that i dont respect as much talking up his skill level and potential as well, i trust III and bilas' assesments a lot more than i do myself or any of the posters on this board... except maybe RDF's assesments but i dont recall his opinion on vern so i will go with III's
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Post by dailey247 on Apr 24, 2008 11:55:44 GMT -5
This is not a big deal at all. Macklin was just not a good fit for our system. He'll do better in an offense that emphasizes transition scoring. Hopefully for him he transfers somewhere like that. And I don't think he had any chance of starting for us next year, except possibly in November/December games. Once the conference season starts, we'll see 5 of Sapp, Wright, Freeman, Summers, Monroe, and Sims starting (still not sure who I'd bump there, but probably Sims) and we'll have Rivers, Clark, and Braswell as roleplayers. I'll go to battle with that any day.
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Post by moe09 on Apr 24, 2008 12:26:06 GMT -5
If coach had followed Dhall's logic two years ago, Macklin would have taken over Hibbert's minutes. Exactly, hoyasexy, exactly... Say it ain't so Vern! Come back!
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 24, 2008 12:27:30 GMT -5
Tough loss but in the best interests of Macklin. He was not really adjusting well to our offense and he gave it two years to make it work. I never doubted his hustle or desire to be a Hoya. I clearly think this is a case where he just does not fit well in our "system." I cannot begrudge the kid for trying to make the most of a very small window of opportunity. No problem with that, I hope he succeeds where ever he goes outside the BE.
I think in the right uptempo offense, he will be a terrific addition at any level mid-major or BCS conference. He has the raw talent, a year off to adjust back to a quicker style will serve him well.
These kids basically have 4 years to make an impression on the Pros scouts, I am sure his goal is to be a pro so I cannot get mad at him for thinking he is best served elsewhere to standout.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2008 12:39:16 GMT -5
These kids basically have 4 years to make an impression on the Pros scouts, I am sure his goal is to be a pro so I cannot get mad at him for thinking he is best served elsewhere to standout. Pro scouts aren't stupid. No amount of fast break, wide-open dunks are going to make scouts ignore 20% FT shooting or poor rebounding. If Macklin thinks that going elsewhere he will improve more as a player, that's a smart move. If he simply wants to play more while in college, transferring may be a smart move, especially if he takes a slight step down. Totally understandable. If he thinks that he can go to another school and put up superficial numbers but not improve his skills and make the NBA, that's not going to happen. It's not like scouts are drafting on PPG stats. But, like I said, I wish him the best. He may respond better to different teaching or styles (may show more skills in them). He can go somewhere he will get more time, which I imagine is much more enjoyable. But I doubt he'll get a better set of teachers -- Thompson and staff have shown an ability to teach skills, and Macklin needs that.
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Post by Dhall on Apr 24, 2008 12:42:10 GMT -5
If coach had followed Dhall's logic two years ago, Macklin would have taken over Hibbert's minutes. Right, the only difference being that Hibbert was good and Macklin was not. Coach had the option of playing Macklin serious minutes for 2 years and didn't seem interested in doing it. Must be that Macklin was going to be the secret weapon for those last two years just like Tyler Crawford. Give me a break. He was and always would have been a backup.
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Post by chep3 on Apr 24, 2008 12:51:08 GMT -5
Really thought he was going to make a big leap this year for us. Well, I guess he still might make that leap, just in another jersey. He always seemed like a good kid, out there rooting for everyone no matter how few minutes he got out there for. I hope this isn't set in stone and he just needs some assurance. The PT thing doesn't make much sense to me, he was guaranteed to get a bunch this year.
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Post by tlphoya on Apr 24, 2008 12:55:52 GMT -5
I just heard it on 980 am before the John Thompson show. Vernon Macklin to transfer.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2008 12:56:41 GMT -5
Give me a break. He was and always would have been a backup. Comparing Hibbert and Macklin doesn't work, but neither does your last line. One, the guy has been playing behind two first round draft picks and Summers could be a third. Two, Georgetown has had plenty of players blossom in their junior or senior years to become more effective or become starters. Here's a list of players who took at least two years to blossom, especially offensively. And this is only off the top of my head: DJ OwensYa-YaDon ReidBoubacarHall of FamerJuniorThe Ultimate Example
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Post by jgalt on Apr 24, 2008 12:57:21 GMT -5
If coach had followed Dhall's logic two years ago, Macklin would have taken over Hibbert's minutes. Right, the only difference being that Hibbert was good and Macklin was not. Coach had the option of playing Macklin serious minutes for 2 years and didn't seem interested in doing it. Must be that Macklin was going to be the secret weapon for those last two years just like Tyler Crawford. Give me a break. He was and always would have been a backup. and why would you say that hibbert was good? back then not many outside the program were saying that. he wasnt playing consistent minutes (he wasnt ABLE, physically to) and wasnt very efficient out there. Your logic is flawed Dhall. Hibbert worked his Ass off to get to where he is now, Vern is more infinitely more athletic that hibbert was- you could argue he still is. There is no reason that vern couldnt be a starter on this team or in this league (FT aside, but that would be the case at any level of D1 Ball)
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Apr 24, 2008 13:04:38 GMT -5
After Brandon Bowman's freshman season there was an article published that said he was transferring; I remember it was when he had gotten a decent amount of playing time and was going to be a primary contributor his sophomore year.
He later decided not to transfer and went on to a successful GU career.
There are many different things about these two situations - too many to name - but I am reading all these posts about this and thinking wow are alot of folks going to feel stupid if this turns out not to be true, or if Macklin reconsiders, or whatever.
I am not trying to speculate on whether Macklin will indeed transfer. I just thought a little history refresher was in order.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 24, 2008 13:07:44 GMT -5
Confirmed on 980? Darn. All of my hope is now gone.
This is a huge loss for the program. The notion that Macklin wouldn't have been an important player on our team for the next two years is absurd. He was going to get a lot of time and probably start.
After seeing the article on the Alabama State player who dropped dead yesterday, it's hard to get too fired up over a transfer...but this still really stinks, all efforts to spin it otherwise aside.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 24, 2008 13:08:11 GMT -5
Right, the only difference being that Hibbert was good and Macklin was not. Coach had the option of playing Macklin serious minutes for 2 years and didn't seem interested in doing it. Must be that Macklin was going to be the secret weapon for those last two years just like Tyler Crawford. Give me a break. He was and always would have been a backup. and why would you say that hibbert was good? back then not many outside the program were saying that. he wasnt playing consistent minutes (he wasnt ABLE, physically to) and wasnt very efficient out there. Your logic is flawed Dhall. Hibbert worked his Ass off to get to where he is now, Vern is more infinitely more athletic that hibbert was- you could argue he still is. There is no reason that vern couldnt be a starter on this team or in this league (FT aside, but that would be the case at any level of D1 Ball) Roy's coming out party was sophomore year in the NCAA tournament. Macklin committed in the fall (?) of Roy's sophomore year. I think people expected Macklin to take minutes from Roy when he committed, but by the time Macklin's freshman year rolled around, no one (not even Macklin--he talked about being a rebounder) thought Macklin was going to supplement Roy.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 24, 2008 13:09:54 GMT -5
Right, the only difference being that Hibbert was good and Macklin was not. Coach had the option of playing Macklin serious minutes for 2 years and didn't seem interested in doing it. Must be that Macklin was going to be the secret weapon for those last two years just like Tyler Crawford. Give me a break. He was and always would have been a backup. and why would you say that hibbert was good? back then not many outside the program were saying that. he wasnt playing consistent minutes (he wasnt ABLE, physically to) and wasnt very efficient out there. Your logic is flawed Dhall. You are way off, jgalt. As a soph Roy put up 11.6, 6.9 and 1.6 blocks in 24 minutes. He shot 59% from the field and 72% from the line. Comparing that to Macklin's production so far is asinine.
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