Ratboy Jr. won't let it go

[guru]

If Glockner "really likes" the Hoyas he has a funny way of showing it. Last year he insisted that Pitt was the best team in the Big East, and this year he has consistently rated the Hoyas as the lowest among all the Power 16 voters at ESPN. He either doesn't like us or he's just a fool. Considering that he works for the four letter network, it may in fact be the latter.

[jgalt]

i love when these guys back track on what they say. its always when someone says "why dont you like so and so" then they say we dont understand they really do like them. well if you really do like them then why dont you write about it that way. there must be something about what you write or say that makes people think that you dont like a certain team.

[SFHoya99]

My favorite is that he talks about the numbers underlying -- but he calls us overrated even though Pomeroy (as numbers as it gets) has us at #8 or something, but places Vandy (#60 or something) in the Top 16.

[Hoya TMF]

Did anyone catch College Game night last night? Tom Brennan, Rat Boy and Rece were talking about George Mason, and Brennan says something like "Mason can be tough in the tourney. They have two seniors from that Final Four team two years ago." Rece then chimes in with "Besides UCLA, there isn't another team in the country that has that kind of experience."

Now it's a small point, and totally possible to forget every team with final four experience, but I just find it hard to believe that they would forget about the Hoyas. We're in the top ten, have FOUR returning starters (still starting) from last year's team, which is 1 more than UCLA and two more than Mason. It's even weirder because they then went on to talk about the Big East tournament not 30 seconds later.

I can't imagine that it was a slight, but still I find the omission pretty odd. Why is everyone picking us to lose this tournament? We are the most battle tested team in the conference, and say what you will about our close or "controversial" wins, but we JUST BEAT LOUISVILLE! No one had done that for an entire month. According to Andy Katz, no one in the country was playing any better.

No one is talking about UCLA, UNC, TEN, or even Wisconsin losing their conference tournaments. Maybe that's a credit to the depth of the Big East, but we just don't seem to get any kind of respect. I might not care so much, except we haven't played in a few days, but there is talk about basketball on like every minute.

Tomorrow the talk will finally be over. Go Hoyas!

[joey0403p]

I don't mind everyone picking against us - two reasons:

I find it hard to believe that the guys on the team don't hear about some of this. Generally speaking I think when we play angry (esp ROY) we play better. So let them motivate us all they want. Not to mention the less people know about us the easier it would be to sneak up on people.

Secondly, and I know I am a pessimist here. But the Big East is DEEP. I like our chances at winning the BE Tourney but I also wouldn't be too too surprised if we lost on Thursday. Just about every conf game with the teams in the tourney were close when we played them. I believe we deserved to win those games, and I think we are playing better now then we were then - but you are blinded if you think it is going to be easy. So let them pick against us - so if unfortunately we do lose our seeding wont drop too too much.

[Hoya TMF]

I think maybe I'm just watching too much of the conference tournaments and spend too much time on every major sports website out there. The Big East is definitely deep, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win the whole thing, but if I'm picking a favorite, it would have to be us. I just find it odd that most of the so-called experts wouldn't agree. But your point is well taken. Especially since I assume Roy and everyone else has read or heard about at least a few people picking us to lose.

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Mar 12, 2008 8:17:07 GMT -5 Hoya TMF said:

Did anyone catch College Game night last night? Tom Brennan, Rat Boy and Rece were talking about George Mason, and Brennan says something like "Mason can be tough in the tourney. They have two seniors from that Final Four team two years ago." Rece then chimes in with "Besides UCLA, there isn't another team in the country that has that kind of experience."

Clearly, only Final Four experience from 2006 matters. 2007 is irrelevant.

Plus, we didn't really make it to the Final Four. Jeff walked, and UNC collapsed. Remember?

[thornski]

haha yup...clearly we weren't deserving of a Final Four last year just as we weren't deserving of the BE Reg Season this year because those Vandy and UNC wins were "lucky" just like all of our wins this year.

[vamosalaplaya]

Glockner's summary is fair I think. Look, the reason why every team GU might face in the BET looks tough is that of the top 9 teams, against every team but Notre Dame GU either lost to a team or had a last second win. The trifecta of the Nova call, the WVU ending, and the foul on the three pointer to send the game into overtime against Marquette stick in folks minds.

I am a firm believer that it isn't an accident that GU wins close games. But I do think they are more vulnerable than their record indicates and that is a fair point. Even getting good shots in the last minute like they do, playing lock down defense, etc, coming from behind with two minutes to go leaves alot of room for opponents to make big plays and win games.

[Hoya TMF]

That would be a fine assessment, but it discounts the fact that we just beat the team everyone has annointed the best in the Big East and was playing better than just about any other in the country (their words, not mine). And we beat them without any so-called controversy. In the last two weeks, Lousiville lost to us, ND lost to Lousiville, Marquette lost to Syracuse, Pittsburgh lost to West Virginia, West Virginia lost to UConn and UConn lost to Providence. The only team that hasn't lost is us. No one is saying we are destined to win, but its hard to believe we're not the favorite or at least in the conversation. Everything I've heard or read doesn't even have us going to the finals. It's weird.

[seattlehoya11]

Haha so I'm sure a lot of you guys caught Gottlieb's like rant against Georgetown after the Cuse-Nova game. Many points were made but my personal favorite: Apparently we don't have any great conference wins where we looked like an NCAA contender.

[HoyaAtHeart]

Dude's really annoying. What he said today was the dumbest thing I've heard all year long.

[musiccityhoya]

Yeah Gottlieb's "Hoya Talk" segment after the Cuse Nova game should have been called "Hoya Hate." No wins where we looked like a contender? Obviously Gottweeb missed our game against Notre Dame when Roy schooled the BE POY. Karl Ravech gave Gottlieb several chances to give us at least a modicum of respect, saying things like, "But isn't Georgetown a team with experience in close games who could come on strong down the stretch and make a deep run?" Gottlieb simply said, "No...something's missing, and it's not just Jeff Green." What a clown.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...all this hate makes the wins that much sweeter and we're thriving with no respect. I'd much rather (continue) to win on the court than in the studio with losers like Gottlieb. Keep rolling tomorrow against Nova, boys, and keep proving everybody wrong.

[I Bleed Hoya Gray]

Wow. I'm at work, so I missed what he said, but that's is pretty bad. Even for Ratty

[swhoya]

I have to admit that at times this season I've thought we didn't have quite the same magic, and that it wasn't just the loss of Jeff. But I'm so sick of hearing from Gottlieb et al about how lucky we are, and how often they mischaracterize our wins (the marquette call being a "bail out" instead of a blatant foul), that now I'm 100% believers in us.

Let's hope that our players are motivated the same way.

[jacko]

Mar 12, 2008 13:33:23 GMT -5 seattlehoya11 said:

Haha so I'm sure a lot of you guys caught Gottlieb's like rant against Georgetown after the Cuse-Nova game. Many points were made but my personal favorite: Apparently we don't have any great conference wins where we looked like an NCAA contender.

I caught it with no sound/lip reading, and I thought, "he's probably trashing GU right now." Sure enough, the caption pops up "How far can GU go?" I love it when know-it-all skeptics are wrong, so goooooo Hoyas.

[paranoya]

Personally I think this is one of the last years we get "no respect" so we might as well revel in it. If we can "sneak up" on a team after making the final four last year I am all for it and more ready to laugh at them extra hard after we win. So give Gottlieb a megaphone and pray someone is as dumb as he is and actually believes him, preferably the other team. The more people like Gottleib trash/ignore us when we are really good the more we will continually play with a chip on our shoulders.

Is it annoying? Sure. But it is also laughable to any objective observer who knows anything about men's college basketball. So the more eggs he puts in the hating basket the more egg he will have on his face when we prove him wrong.

[vcjack]

Mar 12, 2008 13:33:23 GMT -5 seattlehoya11 said:

Haha so I'm sure a lot of you guys caught Gottlieb's like rant against Georgetown after the Cuse-Nova game. Many points were made but my personal favorite: Apparently we don't have any great conference wins where we looked like an NCAA contender.

Well we beat EVERYONE in our conference except for Pitt, I guess a win at the Pete two days after beating UConn in a close game is what's separating us from greatness

[guru]

Gottlieb is a edited, plain and simple.

It is inevitable that he will do or say something completely idiotic that will result in his firing. We can only wait for that glorious day.

[musiccityhoya]

couldn't agree more paranoya