Pretty much locked on the 2

[DudeSlade]

I think it does matter if we are a 2 seed versus a 3. The best bets for 2s at this point are Kansas, Texas, and Duke in addition to us. Those 3 teams will be much more difficult than Stanford, Wisconsin, Xavier, or a 3 seed. Now if we are the 3 seed in the bracket with a Wisconsin or Stanford that jumped us for the 2, then I don't think it matters. But I would prefer not having to play Kansas, Texas, or Duke only to be followed by UNC, UCLA, Memphis, or Tennessee.

I know we are supposed to beat everyone in order to win the Tourney, but we all know how important matchups are in the Tourney. And I don't think it's wrong to say that we will have a better chance at advancing against Wisconsin or Stanford than against Kansas or Texas, just like I think our chances against UCLA or Tennessee are better than against UNC in their home state. I don't know exactly how they pair up 2s and 3s and you may be exactly right that the top 3 would have an advantage over the lowest 2 seed, but unless we're in the same bracket, I think we miss out by not being a 2 seed, because our road becomes tougher with the other 2s being better. I think any of these teams could knock us out and I think we could take any of these teams, but if we are going to assess (speculate) on where we'll end up seeded, I think we have to look at what the most favorable matchups are.

[jagtrader]

You can never underestimate the committee's propensity for making a big deal out of the conference postseason tournaments. You can never discount it's collective short-term memory. If Georgetown loses in the quarterfinals, it has little chance of grabbing a No. 2 seed. The full resume won't matter.

[HoyaTejano]

I concur with jagtrader. If we face anybody other than Louisville in the Final then I like our chances of a 2 regardless of the outcome. However, if GU loses earlier or to Louisville in the Final, the committee will take Louisville with one of the spots on the 2 line.

The point is, win out, defeat all comers, regardless of shape, size, intellectual disposition or style.

[Big Dog]

I suppose its possible that a Texas upset would lead to 'Ville and Gtown both as 2 seeds, but who knows the extent to which the committee will value conference RPI.

I'm not always convinced that conference tournament championship matters. Though I do think the BET may get more attention than some others but it wraps up the day BEFORE the committee gets together, suggesting they have a chance to watch it. The Big 12 and Big Ten games are usually so late that it seems like those results don't matter unless there's a surprise winner who steals an automatic bid.

[guru]

I think this is finally true now. We're a 2 seed, the next two days will determine where we land on the S-curve.

[jerseyshorehoya]

Agreed, hard to imagine that we are not a 2 now.

[hoyarooter]

I disagree. If we lose today and Wisconsin wins the Big Ten, I think there is a decent chance that Wisconsin gets the 2 (even if I might personally disagree with that).

[Coast2CoastHoya]

I just can't see the Big East getting 7-8 teams and the highest seed is a 3, even if we do lose tonight. I think we're a 2 all the way. Dismantling WVU tonight will solidify it, so get it done Hoyas!

[hoyavoice]

Sure wish Tennessee would have lost--that might have helped us with a 2.

[Big Dog]

Mar 14, 2008 12:14:12 GMT -5 Coast2CoastHoya said:

I just can't see the Big East getting 7-8 teams and the highest seed is a 3, even if we do lose tonight. I think we're a 2 all the way. Dismantling WVU tonight will solidify it, so get it done Hoyas!

I just don't think there is anything to this argument. Particularly when it comes to seeding, I think the primary focus is on teams, not conferences. They'll certainly say "these are the Big East Champions," but I don't think someone will say "this conference is getting 7-8 teams, we have to seed the highest team as a 2."

Keep in mind that the Big Ten might get 5. If the Big East gets 7, the Big Ten will have gotten a higher percentage of its teams in.

Note that I will never argue that the Big Ten is as good as the Big East this year. I share Scott Van Pelt's thoughts about that conference, as shared on the Mike Tirico show today:

"big ten basketball is like watching fat people have sex, big bodies floppin all over the place"

"horrific"

"horrible, horrible"

[Coast2CoastHoya]

Mar 14, 2008 15:08:37 GMT -5 Big Dog said:

Mar 14, 2008 12:14:12 GMT -5 Coast2CoastHoya said:

I just can't see the Big East getting 7-8 teams and the highest seed is a 3, even if we do lose tonight. I think we're a 2 all the way. Dismantling WVU tonight will solidify it, so get it done Hoyas!

I just don't think there is anything to this argument. Particularly when it comes to seeding, I think the primary focus is on teams, not conferences. They'll certainly say "these are the Big East Champions," but I don't think someone will say "this conference is getting 7-8 teams, we have to seed the highest team as a 2."

Keep in mind that the Big Ten might get 5. If the Big East gets 7, the Big Ten will have gotten a higher percentage of its teams in.

Note that I will never argue that the Big Ten is as good as the Big East this year. I share Scott Van Pelt's thoughts about that conference, as shared on the Mike Tirico show today:

"big ten basketball is like watching fat people have sex, big bodies floppin all over the place"

"horrific"

"horrible, horrible"

I agree with you and I think you're misinterpreting my argument. I'm not saying that the logic should flow like "7-8 teams in --> gotta give one a 2 seed."

Now, I don't claim any knowledge of how the committee picks teams, but I think the committee will see the depth and quality of teams in the Big East (as evidenced by the number of teams in the RPI top 50 for example) and realize that Georgetown deserves a 2 seed, win or lose tonight. The evidence is in the numbers: the major computer ratings put Gtown anywhere from 7-8 (RPI, Pom, Sagarin), and the polls 9. We're undefeated at home & neutral, and are getting hot at the end of the season.

So what I am saying (in a roundabout sort of way) is that in the totality of circumstances, but not ipso facto, 7-8 BE teams in the Dance butresses our resume.

[Big Dog]

Mar 14, 2008 15:27:58 GMT -5 Coast2CoastHoya said:

Mar 14, 2008 15:08:37 GMT -5 Big Dog said:

I just don't think there is anything to this argument. Particularly when it comes to seeding, I think the primary focus is on teams, not conferences. They'll certainly say "these are the Big East Champions," but I don't think someone will say "this conference is getting 7-8 teams, we have to seed the highest team as a 2."

Keep in mind that the Big Ten might get 5. If the Big East gets 7, the Big Ten will have gotten a higher percentage of its teams in.

Note that I will never argue that the Big Ten is as good as the Big East this year. I share Scott Van Pelt's thoughts about that conference, as shared on the Mike Tirico show today:

"big ten basketball is like watching fat people have sex, big bodies floppin all over the place"

"horrific"

"horrible, horrible"

I agree with you and I think you're misinterpreting my argument. I'm not saying that the logic should flow like "7-8 teams in --> gotta give one a 2 seed."

Now, I don't claim any knowledge of how the committee picks teams, but I think the committee will see the depth and quality of teams in the Big East (as evidenced by the number of teams in the RPI top 50 for example) and realize that Georgetown deserves a 2 seed, win or lose tonight. The evidence is in the numbers: the major computer ratings put Gtown anywhere from 7-8 (RPI, Pom, Sagarin), and the polls 9. We're undefeated at home & neutral, and are getting hot at the end of the season.

So what I am saying (in a roundabout sort of way) is that in the totality of circumstances, but not ipso facto, 7-8 BE teams in the Dance butresses our resume.

I think we're awfully close to lock status. BUT a loss tonight and a run to the conference tourney title for Stanford and Wisconsin, for example, would make things interesting.

The real question is, where are we right now vis-a-vis Duke? Ahead of them? Behind? I'd rather not end up in Raleigh with all the UNC fans. Let's say we win the BET and Duke loses to UNC in the ACC final. Who is higher?