YB
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,494
|
Post by YB on Jan 24, 2005 14:05:26 GMT -5
Churchwell- I'm beginning to like you more and more- not only are you a long-time Hoya fan and season ticket holder, but you are involved in other areas of GU as an alum as well. We need more alums like you, in general.
My only point was that it's a bad thing in MCI that the students should be cooped up in one place. At a minimum, they should be on both ends (maybe mixing one with Young Alums); I'd actually like to see them on one side of the court as well. If there's a way to reasonably work that in, that would be my preference.
Lastly, don't underestimate the students. As the bball culture grows again at GU, more will come, and hopefully, they will parlay their good experiences into donations down the road as alums.
|
|
|
Post by Churchwell on Jan 24, 2005 14:17:14 GMT -5
I hear you YB - we need to do anything we can to make MCI a great home court. If that's putting students on both sides, filling a section or two (or an entire side) with students in the lower bowl, that would be great.
The student support this year has really been amazing...and sustained. It hasn't been this way in many, many years. I just want to make sure we don't dilute the rabid student fans we have - who are key to making noise, leading cheers, and in general intimidating opponents (and yelling at Calhoun) - by spreading them too thin. Of course that would never be a problem if we could get 3,500 or so to hop over to MCI every home game!
|
|
doublehoya
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
That's Right, I Said Minivan!
Posts: 980
|
Post by doublehoya on Jan 24, 2005 15:04:22 GMT -5
Churchwell -- I agree with most of what you are saying, but I don' t think that having students under both baskets would mean you need 2x as many student attendees.
Currently, the student section goes all the way up to the concourse -- what about having 2 student sections (one under each hoop) thoat each go up 1/2 as far? Same number of students (approximately), students get better seats, and the visiting team doesn't get a "break" from the student fans for half of the game.
The space behind each student section could be for giveaway tickets to local high schools, community groups etc.
This way the HHC gets to keep the high dollar seats for alums like you (and me) to buy, the atmosphere is improved by having students at both ends, and all that is lost is the young alum section and the (oversized) press section. Something needs to be done about the press section, and it may mean that one student section has the band seats, and the other section has the press seats -- still much better than the current situation.
|
|
|
Post by Fan Of The Game on Jan 24, 2005 18:27:15 GMT -5
i never said expand the student section, u basically make it shorter and legnthen it around the court. and everyone seems to agree with taht I believe the seats you're talking about expanding into are the hightest revenue seats. I loved the student section as a student and since I graduated and can afford to pay to go to games I like sitting at center court. I wouldn't want to be pushed back. My point: not everyone would be on board with the moving of the students to surround the court.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 24, 2005 18:44:53 GMT -5
This team really can't afford to be making revenue-decreasing decisions. You'd have a hard time convincing me that the short term loss is worth any long term gain, since I really can't see any.
|
|
|
Post by reformation on Jan 24, 2005 20:34:24 GMT -5
depends on how much money you're talking about-unless your talking about a lot of money I'd make the tradeoff for giving the students better seats and creating a better atmosphere--there will always be space for the few really big donors who can make a $ difference in the program's economics
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 24, 2005 20:43:45 GMT -5
depends on how much money you're talking about-unless your talking about a lot of money I'd make the tradeoff for giving the students better seats and creating a better atmosphere--there will always be space for the few really big donors who can make a $ difference in the program's economics Well, first you'd have to convince me there'd be a better atmosphere. Spreading out the students would work if they were all a bit psycho, but the truth is many of these students need a bit of encouragement themselves. We don't pull enough in to be a huge group around the court. Comparing MCI to Cameron is a joke; participation by Duke students is vastly superior to our own in number if nothing else. The non-students will cheer like crazy if we win. I remember 95-96 -- and the Cap Center was nuts. If you want coordination, use the cheerleaders or a cheer team of some kind. Spreading out the students isn't the only solution even if it isn't one. Revenue-wise, the first four to five rows behind the benches and across the way cost $500 more per season than the next major section. The section after that costs $250 less, and the section after that $100 less. You'd be losing roughly $750 per seat, I'm guessing. That's a lot of money, even before you factor in people giving up their tickets completely.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 24, 2005 21:05:02 GMT -5
Another note. Everyone in those seats is a Hoop Club member, and most likely many of them give $1000 plus a year (to get priority seating). Some are the real bigwigs as well.
Historically speaking, we'll be lucky to get 1 in 50 members of the student section to join the HHC, let alone give a decent amount.
A partial solution may be the answer, but it isn't a real compellin argument to me.
|
|
|
Post by reformation on Jan 24, 2005 21:30:30 GMT -5
does anyone know how many students actually attend a game and how many students attend games at other relevant schools
|
|
|
Post by Fan Of The Game on Jan 24, 2005 21:37:39 GMT -5
Also, how many student season tickets have we sold this year versus other years?
|
|
GUHoya07
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,083
|
Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 24, 2005 21:43:11 GMT -5
One thing I can tell you is that there will be a ton more student season tickets sold next year. Attendance has been incredible so far this year, but I don't know how many have season tickets and how many just buy individual tix.
The combination of the team winning together with my goal of having a really strong student booster club will increase it tremendously. I want to have a great club that makes excitement surrounding Georgetown Basketball felt all over campus. I'm gonna be planning stuff for next year and I want to be here from the very first day of new student orientation getting the campus hyped and selling season tickets in Red Square.
|
|
JimmyHoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Hoya fan, est. 1986
Posts: 1,867
|
Post by JimmyHoya on Jan 24, 2005 22:02:26 GMT -5
Well, I'm bringing 5 pals to the game tommorow night and 4 of us desprately want to go to G'town for college next year, so hopefully we'll add an extra spark to the old folks section tommorow night!
|
|
|
Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 24, 2005 22:05:09 GMT -5
Great, Jimmy! Great to have high schoolers on here, and thank you for supporting GU. I hope the Admissions Committee finds in your favor this year.
Keep those old folks on their feet. We need to be behind the team for 40 minutes tomorrow.
|
|
|
Post by reformation on Jan 24, 2005 22:11:18 GMT -5
sf99, agree that there is probably a solution that both accomodates big donors-there really aren't that many (i'm sure plenty of those food seats get comp'd also) and gets the students some better seating around the court-remember that the students pay 40k to go to GU-- I've been to a couple of games at Cameron--they have sections for big money alums too, its not all students
|
|
|
Post by reformation on Jan 24, 2005 22:19:43 GMT -5
sf99, I agree that there is probably a solution that both accomodates big donors-there really aren't that many !(i'm sure plenty of those food seats get comp'd also) and get the students some better seating around the court-remember that the students pay 40k to go to GU--
I've been to a couple of games at Cameron--they have sections for big money alums too, its not all students there either.--agree that no seating plan is going to change MCI into Cameron, but taking an NBA maxmize season ticket revenue approach is probably not the right way to go either--its not like the program is a big money maker anyway, I think we should try something new out in regards the seating--if it doesn't work perfectly so what, at least try to improve the atmosphere and student experience
|
|