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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 16, 2008 18:23:43 GMT -5
Does anyone see the pending firing of Sampson leading to a mass exodus of his highly recruited class? Ebanks was one of those right?
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 16, 2008 23:11:14 GMT -5
will bobby knight even tho the adminst hates him go back for a short term to inidana to save the program he may have a temper but i believe its always been an honsest very honest temper whata you think???
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Feb 16, 2008 23:12:28 GMT -5
will bobby knight even tho the adminst hates him go back for a short term to inidana to save the program he may have a temper but i believe its always been an honsest very honest temper whata you think??? That would be wild. It's not that bad an idea, either.
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Post by jgalt on Feb 17, 2008 1:34:12 GMT -5
Bobby knight will not return to IU, the current president was hired by and is very good friends with the president who fired him, there was an article on espn last week about this exact issue
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 17, 2008 4:02:11 GMT -5
Lic, you have a vivid imagination There is no way IU will take back Bobby K. They had a helluva time trying to get rid of him, they aren't about to revert to his loutish, immature behavior. THey are trying desperately to IMPROVE the image of IU basketball. He is an embarrassment to the game and should retire.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 17, 2008 9:52:27 GMT -5
Good people can agree to disagree on this, but I am with Vitale on this one.
Bob Knight is the greatest tactician of his generation--he won consistently with talent that wasn't always Top 20, but was always prepared to compete. One doesn't win 11 Big Ten titles on luck.
There are those who do not approve of Knight's authoritarian image. He is a product of an era in coaching when such tactics were valued among coaches, and his peers (among them Bill Parcells and John Thompson) were also accused of being too stern, too angry, too authoritarian. (Go back a generation to Paul Bryant and Woody Hayes, even more so.)
His players are fiercely loyal to him, he has run clean programs, and he stays to his principles--and while one doesn't have to like him off the court , they should respect what he does on it.
As to honoring Knight at IU, it is overdue and perhaps his retirement will rebuild bridges that Myles Brand was all to eager to burn down. It took Louisville time to reconnect with Denny Crum and even Villanova with Rollie, so time should be on RMK's side. Renaming Assembly Hall probably isn't the long term solution but it's a step in the right direction. The first thing should be hoisting a banner at Assembly Hall alongside the title banners a la Carnesecca's banner at MSG.
Then again, the past-due honors for John Thompson at Georgetown still seem to be on hold, albeit for different reasons.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 17, 2008 17:45:13 GMT -5
hey my crazy idea was for a saviour they can trust to be clean for the rest of the seaons id consider it even with all the other stuff go hoyas beat providence big johns alma mater yes
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 17, 2008 19:42:19 GMT -5
Good people can agree to disagree on this, but I am with Vitale on this one. Bob Knight is the greatest tactician of his generation--he won consistently with talent that wasn't always Top 20, but was always prepared to compete. One doesn't win 11 Big Ten titles on luck. There are those who do not approve of Knight's authoritarian image. He is a product of an era in coaching when such tactics were valued among coaches, and his peers (among them Bill Parcells and John Thompson) were also accused of being too stern, too angry, too authoritarian. (Go back a generation to Paul Bryant and Woody Hayes, even more so.) His players are fiercely loyal to him, he has run clean programs, and he stays to his principles--and while one doesn't have to like him off the court , they should respect what he does on it. As to honoring Knight at IU, it is overdue and perhaps his retirement will rebuild bridges that Myles Brand was all to eager to burn down. It took Louisville time to reconnect with Denny Crum and even Villanova with Rollie, so time should be on RMK's side. Renaming Assembly Hall probably isn't the long term solution but it's a step in the right direction. The first thing should be hoisting a banner at Assembly Hall alongside the title banners a la Carnesecca's banner at MSG. Then again, the past-due honors for John Thompson at Georgetown still seem to be on hold, albeit for different reasons. DFW... I guess you and I are going to fit your description of "good people agreeing to disagree." It is not just or primarily the authoritarian aspect. It is the abusive behavior, the out of control anger, the double standards. He is not just authoritarian with his team, he is abusive, and also to referees, journalists, University administrators, you name it. No one said he wasn't a successful coach or that he doesn't know his Xs and Os. BTW, there are quite a few players who are not so fond of him. Remember the law suit about choking one of his students... that knight denied until video surfaced? How about Larry Bird -- yes, I know the story changed later about why he left IU? I don't see JT, or Bear Bryant as the same kind of extreme characters that Knight is. Did they ever throw a chair across the court? Successful coach.. no argument. Good guy? Good person to be a role model? To be a representative of a University? To teach and lead young men? I don't think so. JT3 is a good representative of a University. Bobby Knight is not.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 17, 2008 22:14:08 GMT -5
Lic, you have a vivid imagination There is no way IU will take back Bobby K. . . He is an embarrassment to the game and should retire. And Sampson is less so because he's a nicer guy? Please.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 17, 2008 22:27:36 GMT -5
wrestlemania
Maybe you can point out to any of us who posted just where it says retaining Sampson is an option.. let alone a good one? The discussion was whether or not Knight would be a good replacement for Sampson. No one was speaking up for Sampson or comparing him to Knight in any way.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 17, 2008 22:30:40 GMT -5
You guys jacked this thread. My point was about the IU recruits and if any were on the radar pre-IU commitments and if any would be good fits this late in the game?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 17, 2008 22:41:56 GMT -5
I don't see JT, or Bear Bryant as the same kind of extreme characters that Knight is. Did they ever throw a chair across the court? The Bear Bryant reference is to the saga of the 1954 Junction Boys, a story far grittier than the ESPN movie of the same name. A coach who brought 111 players to the Texas desert to run dawn to dusk practices in 105 degree heat, without water breaks. Only 27 stayed through the 11 day ordeal, but three years later they won the SWC title, A&M's only such title between 1940 and 1967. "The only relief [he] provided the players were two towels soaked in cold water, one to be shared by the offensive players, one for the defense. One of the Junction Boys, future NFL coach Jack Pardee would later say in an interview that losing 10% of your body weight in sweat in a day was not unusual."- Wikipedia That kind of stuff today wouldn't get a coach fired, it would get him arrested. But as to the subject about IU recruits presumably being on the market, that's not something Georgetown would get involved in. It has its class of 2012 and leave it at that.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 17, 2008 23:25:23 GMT -5
wrestlemania Maybe you can point out to any of us who posted just where it says retaining Sampson is an option.. let alone a good one? The discussion was whether or not Knight would be a good replacement for Sampson. No one was speaking up for Sampson or comparing him to Knight in any way. Well, if he's not a good replacement for Sampson, it's not unfair to infer that you think retaining Sampson > hiring Knight. Sampson is an embarrasment to the game and that's putting it kindly. Knight is mostly an embarrasment to himself -- unattractive, perhaps, but not a violation of NCAA rules.
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 18, 2008 0:43:19 GMT -5
You guys jacked this thread. My point was about the IU recruits and if any were on the radar pre-IU commitments and if any would be good fits this late in the game? Doubt it. We recruited him for a while and he liked us but his final 2 were IU and Miami IIRC. Since we have already landed Hollis in '09 and DaJuan doesn't appear to be ready to make the jump after this year, an 08 SF doesn't seem to be a real need. Ebanks is a really good player though I think and will be a really good addition to wherever he goes, if he can keep his head on straight. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end at UCONN, he seems like their kind of player, rap sheet and all. He could also be a huge get for one of the other metro area schools (he's from NYC). He would instantly be one of the best players on RU, SHU and could be a huge get right off the bat for a new SJU coach, if that happens in time. As for their other recruits, I don't think we were ever mentioned with any of them, so not really any reason to think we'd get in the mix. IU was however a program mentioned oftened by Lance Stephenson, an '09 recruit who we're in the mix for. If Sampson goes they probably fall out of that race, though he still may be UNC's to lose. Also, as is always interesting, you never know who may get the call to replace Sampson. Presumably at a job like Indiana it'll be somebody else from a high major, and then some of those recruits may come into play. So, stay tuned.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 18, 2008 13:13:26 GMT -5
Don't jump on me but Esh could return the Indiana program to decency and honor.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 18, 2008 13:18:45 GMT -5
Don't jump on me but Esh could return the Indiana program to decency and honor. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA oh wait...was this a joke?
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 19, 2008 13:55:00 GMT -5
It may or may not have been a joke, but it sure left me laughing.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 19, 2008 16:34:52 GMT -5
To find Sampson's replacement, look a little farther West from Lubbock to Albuquerque, where Steve Alford has taken a Lobo team taht was mediocre last year and won 20 games already without any significant change in talent. Don't know if IU wants him, but they could not do much better. My brother lives in Lobo country and says taht the papers/media are already worried about losing their coach. In reference to the original question on this thread, I think that Alford could hold that recruiting class--at least for a year.
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Post by royski on Feb 19, 2008 16:40:12 GMT -5
It may or may not have been a joke, but it sure left me laughing. I am cracking up as well. Could you imagine the IU fanbase reaction to that hire?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 19, 2008 16:46:47 GMT -5
I don't know about Alford. His lack of success at Iowa has many IU fans thinking he is not yet ready for a Big Ten job. I'm not sure one good year in a lesser conference does anything to change that perception.
Not saying that it's right or wrong, but a lot of IU fans think Indiana can do a lot better than Alford.
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