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Post by TigerHoya on Dec 19, 2007 19:12:58 GMT -5
Yeah, Blank told the AJC that Parcells agreed yesterday and backed out today.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 3, 2008 14:07:33 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Jan 3, 2008 14:26:14 GMT -5
I don't remember the name, but apparently Bill Parcells has hired the now former Dallas Cowboy VP to be the Miami Dolphins GM. Colin Cowherd was making the point that behind all successful coaches there are two things: 1 -- a good woman, because it takes a special kind of woman to put up with the intense grind of being an NFL coach, and 2 -- a behind the scenes money-man who is essentially a really good accountant. At least in his eyes, this guy from Dallas is such a guy.
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Post by RDF on Jan 3, 2008 14:44:33 GMT -5
Jeff Ireland is the guy Parcells hired. Expect Parcells to take a long look at Cowboys OL Coach Tony Sparano--and yes that is correct spelling.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 3, 2008 14:59:53 GMT -5
I don't remember the name, but apparently Bill Parcells has hired the now former Dallas Cowboy VP to be the Miami Dolphins GM. Colin Cowherd was making the point that behind all successful coaches there are two things: 1 -- a good woman, because it takes a special kind of woman to put up with the intense grind of being an NFL coach, and 2 -- a behind the scenes money-man who is essentially a really good accountant. At least in his eyes, this guy from Dallas is such a guy. Like Bill Belicheck's wife?
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Post by hifigator on Jan 3, 2008 15:07:43 GMT -5
I don't remember the name, but apparently Bill Parcells has hired the now former Dallas Cowboy VP to be the Miami Dolphins GM. Colin Cowherd was making the point that behind all successful coaches there are two things: 1 -- a good woman, because it takes a special kind of woman to put up with the intense grind of being an NFL coach, and 2 -- a behind the scenes money-man who is essentially a really good accountant. At least in his eyes, this guy from Dallas is such a guy. Like Bill Belicheck's wife? I'm honsestly not very familiar with his family situation, but I'm sure there is a joke somewhere there.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 3, 2008 15:55:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2008 8:29:04 GMT -5
A good woman?!
I bet if you polled all D1 and NFL coaches, you'd find a surprisingly high number of (multiple?) divorcees and guys estranged from their wives/families.
And seriously, hifi... enough with the "Cowturd said today..." garbage. Nobody cares. I think given the choice between the two, we'd rather know what you think than that complete and utter idiot.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 4, 2008 8:44:40 GMT -5
hifi, buff is right.....it's bad enough you went cowturd once, but twice might deserve permanent banishment. my 5 year old nephew knows more about sports than that jim rome wanna be.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 4, 2008 12:04:08 GMT -5
Nevermind. You missed the point. The point wasn't the "woman." Maybe it's just me, but I don't think he meant that part in seriousness. That is an old saying that transcends sports: behind every successful man ... I think the real point was that there is a behind the scenes guy that almost none of us would recognize, but who is 100% integral to the success of the man everyone knows. In that case, Ireland was the man in question, and he pointed out that virtually no one outside of Dallas would even recognize him if he was seated next to you at the bar. That was the point. I think that is a valid point, regardless of who said it first. Let's face it, almost any of us can make a good point every now and then. Heck, I bet even BraskyIII has at some point in the past, although none that I remember.
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Post by RDF on Jan 4, 2008 14:42:51 GMT -5
The "myth" of Bill Parcells is a joke.
Truth about Parcells/Ireland:
1. They didn't want to take DeMarcus Ware at his spot--they wanted Marcus Spears--who they got 6 picks later along with Ware--who Jerry overruled Parcells about
2. Parcells wanted Dwyane Robertson over Terence Newman and was overruled by Scouting Department.
3. Parcells drafted Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Skyler Green, Bobby Carpenter as "his calls".
4. Scouting department got Marion Barber, Patrick Crayton, Kevin Burnett, Jay Ratliff, and Jason Hatcher.
5. Sean Payton was responsible for Tony Romo signing as a Free Agent--they attended same College--Eastern Illinois and Payton lobbied for him.
6. Parcells best year with Dallas--his first year when they ran a 4-3 and were aggressive on defense. He did a fine job of coaching.
7. Following years--got "his guys" in--which included Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe and it was an utter failure of disgraceful play and changing to a 3-4 without personnel to run it and with lack of blitzing/aggression.
8. He signed Marco Rivera to FA contract--total flop.
9. Best position Parcells evaluates--TE--he wanted Witten and Fasano--and was high on UFA Tony Curtis--who is a superior TE to Fasano--who he used 2nd RD Pick on.
10. He didn't want Terrell Owens--and Owens is difference has 28 TD's in 2 years in Dallas--and they've been to Playoffs both years--with a #1 seed this year.
11. He drafted Bobby Carpenter based upon coaching his father with Giants--and Carpenter will be traded/cut by next year--he's a total BUST.
12. Bill Parcells is the single most OVERRATED personnel evaluator/coach right now. He won due to Bill Belichick being his DC--and without Belichick--the lone time he was successful--was his initial season in Dallas-when he played a style that didn't fit his liking-it was aggressive--and not conservative.
13. The moron fires Dallas Kicking Coach Steve Hoffman and one of the weakest positions on the Cowboys during his tenure--Kicker. Parcells reason "You don't need to pay a kicking specialist..." and guess who 1 of the coaches is he RETAINED off the Dolphins Staff? STEVE HOFFMAN!
14. For all of the talk of his "Aggression" as a coach--he's presented same scenario--be it bigger stage in the latter game
4th and 1 at the Seattle 2 yard line. Both times he elects to kick the FG--and both times Dallas comes away with ZERO POINTS. In that scenario--championship coaches go for it due to:
1. Fact you can either score, get a first down, or have offense pinned deep.
2. If you have a bad defense--as he did a year ago in Playoffs--it forces opposing team to have to score a TD over getting in position to kick a FG-which would've happened last year.
3. It sends a message to your team--aggression wins championships at the highest level--those who play loose and attack win.
4. Parcells also had a game where Seattle started 2 guys off the street in Secondary--and elected to run/play conservative despite having same personnel on offense you saw Dallas have this season.
BLEEP THAT BIG BLOWHARD--he's a FRAUD.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2008 15:00:43 GMT -5
Agree with RDF on Big Tuna. I don't doubt he's a very good - perhaps even excellent - coach, but one who's myth is, in my opinion, blown way out of proportion. He is a Scott Norwood missed field goal away from being Mike Holmgren, when you look at it. Hell, maybe LESS than Holmgren when you break down the numbers.
Not to mention his non-Belichick career record.
Or Belichick's non-Brady career record.
Tom Brady is awesome.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 4, 2008 15:48:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't argue too much on your opinion of his player evaluation skills, but in that regard, I would think it is much more important to have the right guys around you. But as to his abilities as a coach I would disagree. Granted, in these days it is all about Championships and unless you achieve that ultimate goal, then many downplay your abliities. And to a degree, I understand that. But take Bill Cowher for example. He was a great coach, before he finally won a Super Bowl. Granted, that helps put him among the elite coaches for sure. But he was a good football coach before that. To a similar degree, you could say the same of Tony Dungy. Although having said that, you could argue tho opposite view and say that if he was a better coach, then he would have won a title or two with Tampa Bay, and that if it weren't for Peyton, then he wouldn't even have the one that he does. Both of those are valid arguments.
As for Parcells however, I think you see a proven track record. He comes into teams that are in utter disarray and makes them respectable immediately and then contenders almost always in his second year. When you look at Patriots, Jets, Cowboys etc... I think there is enough of a history to give him his dues.
RDF, last note on the point Cowherd made: he wasn't praising Parcells directly. What he was saying is that behind almost all successful coaches there is a "money guy" for lack of a better term, that no one knows. He wasn't talking about an owner with deep pockets, ala Jerry Jones, Mark Cuban, George Steinbrenner etc... In the case of Parcells at Dallas, that man was Ireland. He was basically saying that the Ireland hire was very important and at the risk of putting words in his mouth, a huge step in turning the organization around. Do you argue that point?
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Post by RDF on Jan 4, 2008 16:39:21 GMT -5
I don't think Jeff Ireland was behind the success at Dallas and I gave you plenty of reasons why--Ireland was a Parcells-like guy--and during an interview with NFL Radio this year--the Parcells-lovefest was getting so out of hand that a Dallas Cowboys SCOUT called in and put Parcells ass on BLAST! Stated that:
1. Parcells was an AWFUL evaluator of talent except for one position--TE--said he did a nice job with TE's--and gave him credit for Witten selection.
2. Pointed out all of the AWFUL picks Parcells was in favor of--or was allowed--and how 9 of the 11 Pro Bowlers Dallas has were NOT guys he liked/wanted. Only Witten and Adams were guys he "liked". He wanted Al Johnson to be the Center over Andre Gurode.
3. Scout said that Parcells was completely AGAINST Owens--and if it weren't for Owens/Romo--who Parcells didn't have one damn word about--that was Payton--it would've been Keyshawn catching balls from Bledsoe on another 8-9 loss team.
In reference to Belichick and Brady--yes I agree that Brady has made Belichick look better then he is--you are never as great/bad as you seem--BUT--how many coaches have the BALLS to go with the backup when the starter is healthy/able to return and play? Schottenheimer didn't do it with Chiefs and it cost him. Parcells wouldn't have done it. Many wouldn't-it took progressive thinking and it paid off.
As for Ireland--and my initial response- he's a "Parcells Guy" so look for big, slow LB's in Miami, and good edge pass rushers if Parcells doesn't fall in love with some overrated DT in the 3-4 scheme like he did Marcus Spears. Can you imagine passing on both DeMarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman for Marcus Spears as Parcells/Ireland WANTED to do? Ware is best overall Defensive player in NFL right now in my opinion--he can do everything above average--and plays the run as well as he rushes the passer. If he did a stupid dance/drew more attention to himself he'd be getting the acclaim deserved.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 4, 2008 17:25:22 GMT -5
Fair enough. But then if you blast Parcells and Ireland, then why the turnaround in the Cowboys?
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Post by RDF on Jan 4, 2008 23:18:14 GMT -5
Fair enough. But then if you blast Parcells and Ireland, then why the turnaround in the Cowboys? Getting rid of Larry Lacewell one of the biggest gomers in the history of talent evaluation and letting their scouts--specifically Tom Cikowski (spelling is off) have more say and hire of Jason Garrett--being more aggressive on offense. Personnel wise--getting Tony Romo in at QB where a lot of the Bledsoe-ean sacks turn into positive plays downfield and signing of Terrell Owens--which added a big time playmaker to their team. I listed a bunch of damn reasons above if you read.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 5, 2008 12:20:05 GMT -5
I think we've covered this enough. We can come back to it next year. If the dolphins don't improve, then you were right. If they do, then I am right.
Given they were 1-15, I really like my chances.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised to see them jump up to 6-7 wins next year and if his track record as coach continues as "executive grand being overseeing the GM" (or whatever they call him), then to a 9 or 10 win team jockeying for the playoffs in year number two. Of course if that happens you will doubtlessly have some song and dance answer about the real credit belonging to some other as of yet unnamed individual.
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Post by RDF on Jan 5, 2008 16:14:01 GMT -5
Hifi--you are really going out on a limb there--a team will improve from 1-15--are you sure? Geez Question was why did Dallas win/turn it around--and I gave you the answers and said Parcells is OVERRATED. I didn't say he wouldn't make the Dolphins better. I think you could make the Dolphins better next year--and that isn't saying much. Where did I say Miami wouldn't be better? Said Parcells and Ireland get far too much credit for Dallas success and Parcells gets way too much--he actually held them back a year ago--as a coach and talent evaluator.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 7, 2008 3:03:31 GMT -5
Agree with RDF on Big Tuna. I don't doubt he's a very good - perhaps even excellent - coach, but one who's myth is, in my opinion, blown way out of proportion. He is a Scott Norwood missed field goal away from being Mike Holmgren, when you look at it. Hell, maybe LESS than Holmgren when you break down the numbers. . If you don't give him a TON of credit for getting to and winning that Superbowl against Buffalo with a BACK UP QB, then yes. I guess you could lay it on a norwood FG and all the rest. But for my money, winning 10 straight games with SImms, then have to finish up the season and all playoffs with a far less capable Jeff Hostetler, that is almost miraculous that the team won anyway. All of that is ancient history when talking about the 'Boys and such, but it wouldn't be right to trivialize his remarkable record with the Giants. They were AWFUL when he took over. And then they won two Superbowls. That is a very big accomplishment.
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