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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 18, 2007 11:17:25 GMT -5
He honestly doesn't know any other way to tackle...the fact that Williams has only been called for it several times is the ridiculous thing. Perhaps if he actually covered people he wouldn't have to be chasing them from behind all the time.
As for Romo, for his sake I hope he negotiated a longer deal with the devil than Kurt Warner did. At least he is enjoying it though, dating Carrie Underwood, Jessica Simpson, and probably the next blond du jour. Warner took the marry a chick that looks like your mom approach...rarely a good strategy.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 18, 2007 12:03:58 GMT -5
I appologize Philly, Detroit and Arizona fans. You shouldn't have put your hopes in a Kyle Orton team
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Post by RDF on Dec 18, 2007 12:24:16 GMT -5
ESPN sucks--and I for one am happy that Dick Vitale can't call the Hoya game on Saturday--or any other game--I wish it was for a reason other then illness--but I'd be lying if I didn't say Saturday's game just became more enjoyable for me as a fan. ESPN is to the point I'd like to gather a sports militia and declare war on Bristol and have public floggings on the air. BTW--this might be my year--Stuart Scott and Vitale down--more to come? ? As for Roy Williams--if you are a Cowboy fan--I'd be writing letters to NFL asking for his suspension to be season ending. He's a terrible player, slow, can't cover anyone, can't tackle anymore (throws shoulders/doesn't wrap up) and is overly sensitive to any critical analysis. To suspend him ONLY for one game is punishment for the Cowboy organization--not the rest of the NFL. I also don't think he's a dirty player--I think he's a slow/overrated piece of crap player. That is all he knows how to do and it's typical of an Oklahoma player in NFL--Stoops players are total flameouts for the most part--exceptions being Peterson and Tommie Harris, and maybe Kelly Gregg--although he's nothing more then average being overpaid--like Roy Williams.
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Post by RDF on Dec 18, 2007 12:37:42 GMT -5
The Vikings hype is beyond laughable. This "you don't want to play this team who has found a way to lose 6/7 games....." baloney we get every season is just that--a load of dung. If anyone watched that team last night and was thinking "I don't want to see Tarvaris Jackson come January"--they smoke rock, while shooting up, and walking a tightrope. In all honesty--the Viking "momentum" started when for the 4th straight home game--the Queens had to ask for extension to sell out their home games and avoid the local tv blackout. Zygi is having fits trying to get a new stadium built and then out of nowhere--they win one game where Eli Manning provided them 4 TD's by throwing 3 returned for TD's and setting up another with ball returned to Giants 2 yard line. 28 points on turnovers and all of the sudden you hear "I really like how Tarvaris Jackson is playing" from analysts who don't watch them play--just look at the scores/stats. They don't watch his HS passing offense--look at one receiver--have a 2 yard checkdown. If that is your passing game--you should have a 70 percent completion %. Remember Brad Johnson--the master of the "None Yard Pass" has one of the highest completion percentages in the history of NFL and with Vikings running game--should Jackson be getting the ball downfield a lot easier then other QB's with lesser running game to help? This is typical of NFL--they see one of their franchises struggling and they try to hype them when they have any success--be it against miserable teams (Oakland, SF, Chicago) or when a team self destructs and gives you a game (Giants). The best game Minnesota played all year was against the Chargers--they really beat them up and dominated that game--but Jackson didn't do a thing. He sucks--he's beyond awful and yet you listen to "experts" and he's "playing some great football and really devloping into a great player". Don't let your ears get in the way of what you see--this guy is MANURE. Quincy Carter led Dallas to Playoffs and best record under Bill Parcells--would you want this mental midget as your QB? Kordell Stewart was the "next big thing...." Rex Grossman went to a Super Bowl last year, as did Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer won a damn Super Bowl and out of all these people--name one you would want as your QB? Bad QB play reigns in NFL and winning games in spite of the QB play often takes place on Sunday/Monday--not because of them stepping up. Last night's game was so bad--the ESPN hype machine even came off their praise of the Vikings to admit that it was an "awful game from QB position..." and should've stopped when they said "awful game". When the time comes to play in the postseason-all of these 6/7 loss teams are always hyped as "Don't want to play them". Be warned--this year's postseason will be no different.
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Post by FormerHoya on Dec 18, 2007 12:38:01 GMT -5
Warner took the marry a chick that looks like your mom approach...rarely a good strategy. My mom doesn't look like the spiky-haired goblin-thing that married Kurt Warner. I'm just saying.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 18, 2007 13:21:35 GMT -5
The Vikings hype is beyond laughable. This "you don't want to play this team who has found a way to lose 6/7 games....." baloney we get every season is just that--a load of dung. If anyone watched that team last night and was thinking "I don't want to see Tarvaris Jackson come January"--they smoke rock, while shooting up, and walking a tightrope. In all honesty--the Viking "momentum" started when for the 4th straight home game--the Queens had to ask for extension to sell out their home games and avoid the local tv blackout. Zygi is having fits trying to get a new stadium built and then out of nowhere--they win one game where Eli Manning provided them 4 TD's by throwing 3 returned for TD's and setting up another with ball returned to Giants 2 yard line. 28 points on turnovers and all of the sudden you hear "I really like how Tarvaris Jackson is playing" from analysts who don't watch them play--just look at the scores/stats. They don't watch his HS passing offense--look at one receiver--have a 2 yard checkdown. If that is your passing game--you should have a 70 percent completion %. Remember Brad Johnson--the master of the "None Yard Pass" has one of the highest completion percentages in the history of NFL and with Vikings running game--should Jackson be getting the ball downfield a lot easier then other QB's with lesser running game to help? This is typical of NFL--they see one of their franchises struggling and they try to hype them when they have any success--be it against miserable teams (Oakland, SF, Chicago) or when a team self destructs and gives you a game (Giants). The best game Minnesota played all year was against the Chargers--they really beat them up and dominated that game--but Jackson didn't do a thing. He sucks--he's beyond awful and yet you listen to "experts" and he's "playing some great football and really devloping into a great player". Don't let your ears get in the way of what you see--this guy is MANURE. Quincy Carter led Dallas to Playoffs and best record under Bill Parcells--would you want this mental midget as your QB? Kordell Stewart was the "next big thing...." Rex Grossman went to a Super Bowl last year, as did Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer won a damn Super Bowl and out of all these people--name one you would want as your QB? Bad QB play reigns in NFL and winning games in spite of the QB play often takes place on Sunday/Monday--not because of them stepping up. Last night's game was so bad--the ESPN hype machine even came off their praise of the Vikings to admit that it was an "awful game from QB position..." and should've stopped when they said "awful game". When the time comes to play in the postseason-all of these 6/7 loss teams are always hyped as "Don't want to play them". Be warned--this year's postseason will be no different. rdf, did tavaris pi$$ in your cereal this morning? i agree he played like garbage last night but he did a decent job the previous 4 games and they are 8-2 in games he started this year. plus, other than green bay and maybe dallas, who in the nfc is better than them? seattle?they lost to carolina. tampa? please. the giants? um no.
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Post by RDF on Dec 18, 2007 14:08:42 GMT -5
Quincy Carter went 10-6 too--and I wouldn't want him near the field---if you want to believe in Tarvaris Jackson--enjoy. That's all I say and leave it at that. If that game last night is what you equate to the QB play you want to see develop--enjoy. I hate hype--but nothing is worse then FALSE HYPE predicated on helping a franchise sell out games and get a new stadium built. The guy shows nothing that makes you say "Hey--he's got potential to develop into a top QB who can lead his team to a championship"--yet people who don't watch the games say "He's coming along--playing some great football". Really? I mean last night the guy played like he's played all year--and he'll make a throw or two per half--and then make 3/4 decisions that make you wonder if he was sitting in Dwight Smith's parked car. BTW--if you understand NFL justice--answer me this: 1. Roy Williams is suspended immediately by the league for his horse collar tackle--which I understand. 2. Dwight Smith is caught this past Thursday with weed--admits to the police he was smoking--and left his car running in middle of street outside of nightclub--which drew the police attention. He starts, and things are "under review". So breaking the law is fine and subject to review--but breaking an NFL rule draws immediate suspension? I think "Chilly" needs to admit he's showing the team Cheech and Chong motivational movies instead his Wild Kingdom Bullcrap ESPN spent an inordinate amount of time wasting in the telecast. Maybe Roy Williams or any other player who breaks an NFL law--should shoot up on the field instead--they'd likely get to play the next game without any suspension. HoyaFanNY--you've been around far too long to ask ignorant questions about me hating on Minnesota teams. If you don't know what is going to be said by now--you'll never know. ;D
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 18, 2007 14:16:06 GMT -5
I'm with RDF on this one. Out of all the NFC and AFC playoff contenders, Tavaris Jackson is the QB you would want to face most, and it's not even close. Ok, maybe Eli Manning is close, but Favre, Romo, Garcia, Hassleback, Brady, Manning, Garrard, Derek Anderson, Big Ben and even Rivers are significantly better than Jackson. Minnesota does have a stout defense and does have AP but Tavaris Jackson? c'mon.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 18, 2007 14:28:55 GMT -5
Warner took the marry a chick that looks like your mom approach...rarely a good strategy. My mom doesn't look like the spiky-haired goblin-thing that married Kurt Warner. I'm just saying. Wow, that's a bit harsh isn't it? I think she is a recovering cancer patient, isn't she?
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Post by hifigator on Dec 18, 2007 14:49:51 GMT -5
RDF, the Roy Williams tackle violates a specific rule making a specific act illegal because of potential injury to the other player. Givne that he has been called for that identical penalty, not once but twice before this season, it makes sense to suspend him, to teach him to not do it again. Next time I would suggest myabe 4 games, (25%) of the season.
I didn't read the story on Dwight Smith, but I presume your facts were correct. Now first off, you know how I feel about weed, but that is beside the point. At least in Florida, possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor citation. It is exactly the same crime as open container for example. Now possession of amounts over that are a felony. As well as potentially possession with intent to distribute. The point is that misemeanor possession is simply not a serious offense. Would you want your boss suspending employees who are doing their job perfectly but on their own time slipped up somewhere along the line? I mean in all seriousness, simple misdemeanor charges in some cities include spitting on the sidewalk, jaywalking and as I mentioned walking in public with an open container of alcohol. I just don't think we want more intrusion into our daily lives. I do understand that as a professional athlete, you give up some of your privacy, but do we really want such incidents to transfer over to additional punishment at the vocational level? I for one, think not.
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Post by RDF on Dec 18, 2007 15:15:51 GMT -5
RDF, the Roy Williams tackle violates a specific rule making a specific act illegal because of potential injury to the other player. Givne that he has been called for that identical penalty, not once but twice before this season, it makes sense to suspend him, to teach him to not do it again. Next time I would suggest myabe 4 games, (25%) of the season. I didn't read the story on Dwight Smith, but I presume your facts were correct. Now first off, you know how I feel about weed, but that is beside the point. At least in Florida, possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor citation. It is exactly the same crime as open container for example. Now possession of amounts over that are a felony. As well as potentially possession with intent to distribute. The point is that misemeanor possession is simply not a serious offense. Would you want your boss suspending employees who are doing their job perfectly but on their own time slipped up somewhere along the line? I mean in all seriousness, simple misdemeanor charges in some cities include spitting on the sidewalk, jaywalking and as I mentioned walking in public with an open container of alcohol. I just don't think we want more intrusion into our daily lives. I do understand that as a professional athlete, you give up some of your privacy, but do we really want such incidents to transfer over to additional punishment at the vocational level? I for one, think not. Smith leaving his car running in middle of one of the busier streets in downtown MPLS, only to have weed in the car--and remember he's driving--admits to the weed, and all of this takes place at the bar/restaurant/club which is below the now closed club he was caught being with a female in stairwell in public the year before. It's not a matter of what you or I think of the crime--it's the fact that is more embarrassing for the franchise/league (especially a team struggling to sell out home games and get a new stadium built) then a guy who is tackling wrong. I agree that Williams should be suspended and understand why--but I also laugh at what takes more precedent in NFL circles in terms of getting immediate reaction from the league office.
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Post by Boz on Dec 18, 2007 15:40:46 GMT -5
Maybe things are different in Florida, but I can pretty much guarantee that if I got a misdemeanor marajuana possession charge on my record, I would lose my job on the spot.
And I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one. You can try to equate that with jaywalking and spitting all you want; it's not the same.
Sorry, not shedding tears for Mr. Smith.
Of course, I would also lose my job on the spot if I horse-collared one of my bosses. And don't think I haven't been tempted.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 18, 2007 17:15:29 GMT -5
RDF, the Roy Williams tackle violates a specific rule making a specific act illegal because of potential injury to the other player. Givne that he has been called for that identical penalty, not once but twice before this season, it makes sense to suspend him, to teach him to not do it again. Next time I would suggest myabe 4 games, (25%) of the season. I didn't read the story on Dwight Smith, but I presume your facts were correct. Now first off, you know how I feel about weed, but that is beside the point. At least in Florida, possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor citation. It is exactly the same crime as open container for example. Now possession of amounts over that are a felony. As well as potentially possession with intent to distribute. The point is that misemeanor possession is simply not a serious offense. Would you want your boss suspending employees who are doing their job perfectly but on their own time slipped up somewhere along the line? I mean in all seriousness, simple misdemeanor charges in some cities include spitting on the sidewalk, jaywalking and as I mentioned walking in public with an open container of alcohol. I just don't think we want more intrusion into our daily lives. I do understand that as a professional athlete, you give up some of your privacy, but do we really want such incidents to transfer over to additional punishment at the vocational level? I for one, think not. Smith leaving his car running in middle of one of the busier streets in downtown MPLS, only to have weed in the car--and remember he's driving--admits to the weed, and all of this takes place at the bar/restaurant/club which is below the now closed club he was caught being with a female in stairwell in public the year before. It's not a matter of what you or I think of the crime--it's the fact that is more embarrassing for the franchise/league (especially a team struggling to sell out home games and get a new stadium built) then a guy who is tackling wrong. I agree that Williams should be suspended and understand why--but I also laugh at what takes more precedent in NFL circles in terms of getting immediate reaction from the league office. I think you are confusing different issues. Is it wise to leave your car running at all unattended? No, in fact it is very unwise. There are many things that could go wrong. But don't confuse the real issue. He could have been issued a double parking ticket for that offense. No, the issue is the weed. And he was cited for it presumably. Yes, I do know that many companies claim a "zero tolerance" policy. I also know that some companies actually abide by that. Others have a mandatory drug test to start, but then as long as you effectively do your job, then what you do on your own time is your business, within reason of course. I guess it might get down to what exactly the players responsibilities to the team are. Many contracts specifically prohibit players from taking part in dangerous activities like skydiving, flying single engine planes, driving motorcycles or playing sports like basketball. Obviously there could be specific prohibitions on things like weed. All in all, I would strongly question a policy which issued additional punishments for midemeanor offenses in general. And in all seriousness, the category of offense for simple possession is the same as jaywalking or open container in many places. You can disagree with that, but that is a fact. In most cases, the marijuana is confiscated, and you are issued a misdemeanor citation for simple possession. Depending on the laws in place of issue, you then either pay a fine, or request a hearing where you will plead either innocent, guilty of no contest. That is exactly what happens if you get an open container ticket. I only use those illustrations because traffic tickets, though arguably equal in severity in some cases, are treated as traffic and/or civil offenses outside of the criminal system.
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Post by FormerHoya on Dec 18, 2007 18:07:12 GMT -5
My mom doesn't look like the spiky-haired goblin-thing that married Kurt Warner. I'm just saying. Wow, that's a bit harsh isn't it? I think she is a recovering cancer patient, isn't she? I have no idea about the cancer, but I was recalling this Onion caption. www.theonion.com/content/node/34927
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 19, 2007 7:39:23 GMT -5
dwight smith is exactly the type of person the vikings didn't want around after the love boat incident. i wish they'd get rid of him.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 19, 2007 9:45:09 GMT -5
dwight smith is exactly the type of person the vikings didn't want around after the love boat incident. i wish they'd get rid of him. That'll happen next year, hopefully. Honestly, I thought they were grooming Greg Blue to be his successor, but then they went and cut him for a season full of injuries to Tank Williams and Mike Doss. I wouldn't be surprised if Antoine Winfield ends up as his replacement, especially if the Purple get a corner in the 1st or 2nd round.
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Post by TigerHoya on Dec 19, 2007 11:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Dec 19, 2007 12:18:32 GMT -5
dwight smith is exactly the type of person the vikings didn't want around after the love boat incident. i wish they'd get rid of him. My issue wasn't to label Smith a bad person--on the contrary--he seems to be a decent guy--but his judgement is just awful. I also blame the Vikings for the timing of the Charity Event that was held--they had a Monday Night Game--and didn't have to return to Practice until Thursday--so why not have the event Tuesday or Wednesday? Instead they have it Thursday night--at a place that is an "Active" spot for anything you want--nice place, excellent "scenery" and also an easy place to get into something you shouldn't during work week. My issue is with the NFL and it's ignorant policies in regards to what merits immediate action and what doesn't. Hifi--Smith drew attention to his pot use by leaving his car in the MIDDLE of the street--running motor/nobody behind the wheel. This drew attention from police--and then they see marijuana out in open as they approach his vehicle--and the place Smith was at--has plenty of parking--beneath the establishment and has Valet parking as you approach it--this didn't have to happen--and no matter what you spin--it's AWFUL JUDGEMENT. (those who came up to Twin Cities for Regional 2 years ago--its Bellanote which is located in same building as Graves Hotel which was Team Hotel across from Target Center) Smith has been in trouble 2 times within the year at the same place and both times it could've easily been avoided--his incident with the female--there is a HOTEL IN THE BUILDING--he's got money--take her to a room, hell take her to your vehicle downstairs, take her anywhere but a stairwell where various customers to different things (movie theater, hotel, 4 other restaurant/bar/club establishments will be using). Then I described what happened to him last week--and you have to ask yourself why breaking laws-be it misdemeanor or not--doesn't warrant the same quick reaction from league office as a tackle they oppose.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 19, 2007 14:40:54 GMT -5
Fair enough RDF, and my point wasn't to vindicate Smith, just to question your suggestion that we need additional intermingling of public and private issues, governed by another body of authority. I totally agree that he exercised poor judgement and also agree that his is not the image that the Vikings or anyone else, for that matter, should desire. But I stop right there. I don't take it to the next step and think that therefore the team should suspend the player for an instance such as this. I would however think that if they take their substance abuse policy seriously, then it would be prudent to pay a little closer attention. But then again, it should be legal anyway. But you already know how I feel on that one.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 19, 2007 16:27:50 GMT -5
Apparently the Falcons aren't as close to inking a deal with Parcells as suggested this morning. The Dolphins are talking to the Tuna as well. I haven't seen an official release, but I would expect in some similar fashion as the Falcons, as an overseer to the GM.
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