2007 NFL Thread

[TBird41]

hifigator said:

RDF, you agree with Colin Cowherd. Imagine that.

Well, RDF, it's been a good run for you, but if that doesn't call for seppuku, well, then I don't know what does.

[RDF]

hifigator said:

RDF, you agree with Colin Cowherd. Imagine that.

Or maybe he agrees with me. I don't listen to Talk Radio and I imagine many feel this way that watch FB and saw the disaster that was Romo with his skank at the game a year ago--and then yesterday as well.

[hifigator]

He actuallywas comparing the Cowboys and the Patiots. His point was that the Patriots were interested in being in the red section of USAToday -- the Sports section. But it seemed like the Cowboys are too interested in being in the purple section -- social/Life section. Then someone made the point that unless you are singing the National Anthem, celebs ought not even be allowed on the field. I can't say that I disagree.

[RDF]

Maybe I missed something--but I only saw Simpson in a luxury suite at the game--was she on the field like Romo's old skank was?

I agree Pats are focused on FB--but so are a lot of the Cowboys players/coaches. I just was commenting on what I saw from Romo a year ago when his celebrity girlfriend was there and then yesterday as well. He played poorly in the games I noticed they were there and in my opinion Jessica Simpson got what she wanted--the FOX cameras on her--to draw attention away from the game--to her--and that sucks.

I'm indifferent towards Dallas--I loved them when Jimmy was running the team and Canes were abundant--but we had the game in our market as 2nd part of DH on FOX and noticed that crap--so felt I'd stir it up a bit.

BTW--I like Pats and I'm not happy with how they are playing lately either--I think a few more games like this--and we'll be reading of the greatest FLOP in postseason history.

If I were to select who I think gets to Super Bowl right now--I'd say Colts vs Packers. Hopefully I'll be wrong on the AFC end of things--and I just believe GB is more balanced/consistent then Dallas--who is starting to nosedive and will lose in the Divisional Round of Playoffs.

[hifigator]

Once again, you and Cowherd are in agreement, at least with regards to the Packers. He thinks the Cowboys slip up and lose homefield and end up not making it to the Super Bowl. Personally I don't see the Patriots losing. THat is the whole point. They are winning not playing well. Come postseason, I see more spankings handed out by the boys from Foxboro.

[hoyarooter]

I agree with hifi (pardon me while I search for a barf bag).

There, that's better.

Anyway, it was just last week that scribes everywhere were saying that the Steelers had a great shot at ending the Pats' streak because the Pats seemed to be slipping up. I didn't buy that, not because the Pats weren't slipping up, but because the Steelers have been a mediocre road team this year, and I expected the Pats to snap back. I think we will see more of the same in the playoffs. The only team with a decent chance to beat the Patriots is the Colts. And if they do, that won't be a great upset, even if the Pats come into the game 18-0.

As for Romo, he must have been thinking he was grabbing Jessica's boobs when he was holding on to the football.

I don't keep up with these things; who was last year's skank?

[Filo]

hoyarooter said:

I don't keep up with these things; who was last year's skank?

That was Joe-Kim Noah, wasn't it?

[BuffaloHoya]

Memo to ESPN:

Rather than bore us with 15 minutes on how Romo plays poorly when his celebrity girlfriend du jour is in attendance, why not take a look at the other factor those two games have in common? You know, the Jim Johnson-led Eagles defense? Maybe report on SPORTS for once? Perhaps breakdown how their schemes frustrate what the Cowboys try to do on offense? How their personnel matches up well with Dallas' weapons? A little Jaws-like analysis? That too much to ask for?

And instead of complaining how all these distractions feed the gossip pages, take a look in the mirror... by spending all this time on Jessica Simpson or Carrie Underwood you're doing the exact same thing, you bastards.

What an absolute MOCKERY of sports ESPN has become.

[BuffaloHoya]

Outside of leg-whipping/high-lowing a defensive lineman, is there any dirtier play in the NFL these days than the Roy Williams horse collar? He's been suspended for his third offense this season... in my mind its not enough.

The only reason to hang every ounce of your body weight from the back collar of an opponent's shoulder pads is to cause injury. You've seen how a player's body reacts to being pulled down in that manner... absolutely nothing good can come of it.

[/rant]

EDIT: Suspension was one game without pay. Not nearly enough. If I'm the NFL, I tell him "the next time you pull this crap and injure a player, we're suspending you for as long as he's out rehabbing."

[bubbrubbhoya]

buffalohoya said:

Memo to ESPN:

Rather than bore us with 15 minutes on how Romo plays poorly when his celebrity girlfriend du jour is in attendance, why not take a look at the other factor those two games have in common? You know, the Jim Johnson-led Eagles defense? Maybe report on SPORTS for once? Perhaps breakdown how their schemes frustrate what the Cowboys try to do on offense? How their personnel matches up well with Dallas' weapons? A little Jaws-like analysis? That too much to ask for?

And instead of complaining how all these distractions feed the gossip pages, take a look in the mirror... by spending all this time on Jessica Simpson or Carrie Underwood you're doing the exact same thing, you bastards.

What an absolute MOCKERY of sports ESPN has become.

I couldn't agree more. One element of the story that makes it more odious to me is that she was wearing a pink-numbered jersey. Whoever is responsible for bringing these and pink hats into the world should be sent for a nice long vacation to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

[hoopsmccan]

He honestly doesn't know any other way to tackle...the fact that Williams has only been called for it several times is the ridiculous thing. Perhaps if he actually covered people he wouldn't have to be chasing them from behind all the time.

As for Romo, for his sake I hope he negotiated a longer deal with the devil than Kurt Warner did. At least he is enjoying it though, dating Carrie Underwood, Jessica Simpson, and probably the next blond du jour. Warner took the marry a chick that looks like your mom approach...rarely a good strategy.

hm

[vcjack]

I appologize Philly, Detroit and Arizona fans. You shouldn't have put your hopes in a Kyle Orton team

[RDF]

ESPN sucks--and I for one am happy that Dick Vitale can't call the Hoya game on Saturday--or any other game--I wish it was for a reason other then illness--but I'd be lying if I didn't say Saturday's game just became more enjoyable for me as a fan.

ESPN is to the point I'd like to gather a sports militia and declare war on Bristol and have public floggings on the air.

BTW--this might be my year--Stuart Scott and Vitale down--more to come????????

As for Roy Williams--if you are a Cowboy fan--I'd be writing letters to NFL asking for his suspension to be season ending. He's a terrible player, slow, can't cover anyone, can't tackle anymore (throws shoulders/doesn't wrap up) and is overly sensitive to any critical analysis. To suspend him ONLY for one game is punishment for the Cowboy organization--not the rest of the NFL.

I also don't think he's a dirty player--I think he's a slow/overrated piece of crap player. That is all he knows how to do and it's typical of an Oklahoma player in NFL--Stoops players are total flameouts for the most part--exceptions being Peterson and Tommie Harris, and maybe Kelly Gregg--although he's nothing more then average being overpaid--like Roy Williams.

[RDF]

The Vikings hype is beyond laughable. This "you don't want to play this team who has found a way to lose 6/7 games....." baloney we get every season is just that--a load of dung. If anyone watched that team last night and was thinking "I don't want to see Tarvaris Jackson come January"--they smoke rock, while shooting up, and walking a tightrope.

In all honesty--the Viking "momentum" started when for the 4th straight home game--the Queens had to ask for extension to sell out their home games and avoid the local tv blackout. Zygi is having fits trying to get a new stadium built and then out of nowhere--they win one game where Eli Manning provided them 4 TD's by throwing 3 returned for TD's and setting up another with ball returned to Giants 2 yard line. 28 points on turnovers and all of the sudden you hear "I really like how Tarvaris Jackson is playing" from analysts who don't watch them play--just look at the scores/stats. They don't watch his HS passing offense--look at one receiver--have a 2 yard checkdown. If that is your passing game--you should have a 70 percent completion %. Remember Brad Johnson--the master of the "None Yard Pass" has one of the highest completion percentages in the history of NFL and with Vikings running game--should Jackson be getting the ball downfield a lot easier then other QB's with lesser running game to help?

This is typical of NFL--they see one of their franchises struggling and they try to hype them when they have any success--be it against miserable teams (Oakland, SF, Chicago) or when a team self destructs and gives you a game (Giants). The best game Minnesota played all year was against the Chargers--they really beat them up and dominated that game--but Jackson didn't do a thing. He sucks--he's beyond awful and yet you listen to "experts" and he's "playing some great football and really devloping into a great player".

Don't let your ears get in the way of what you see--this guy is MANURE. Quincy Carter led Dallas to Playoffs and best record under Bill Parcells--would you want this mental midget as your QB? Kordell Stewart was the "next big thing...." Rex Grossman went to a Super Bowl last year, as did Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer won a damn Super Bowl and out of all these people--name one you would want as your QB? Bad QB play reigns in NFL and winning games in spite of the QB play often takes place on Sunday/Monday--not because of them stepping up.

Last night's game was so bad--the ESPN hype machine even came off their praise of the Vikings to admit that it was an "awful game from QB position..." and should've stopped when they said "awful game". When the time comes to play in the postseason-all of these 6/7 loss teams are always hyped as "Don't want to play them". Be warned--this year's postseason will be no different.

[FormerHoya]

hoopsmccan said:

Warner took the marry a chick that looks like your mom approach...rarely a good strategy.

My mom doesn't look like the spiky-haired goblin-thing that married Kurt Warner.


I'm just saying.

[HoyaFanNY]

rdf said:

The Vikings hype is beyond laughable. This "you don't want to play this team who has found a way to lose 6/7 games....." baloney we get every season is just that--a load of dung. If anyone watched that team last night and was thinking "I don't want to see Tarvaris Jackson come January"--they smoke rock, while shooting up, and walking a tightrope.

In all honesty--the Viking "momentum" started when for the 4th straight home game--the Queens had to ask for extension to sell out their home games and avoid the local tv blackout. Zygi is having fits trying to get a new stadium built and then out of nowhere--they win one game where Eli Manning provided them 4 TD's by throwing 3 returned for TD's and setting up another with ball returned to Giants 2 yard line. 28 points on turnovers and all of the sudden you hear "I really like how Tarvaris Jackson is playing" from analysts who don't watch them play--just look at the scores/stats. They don't watch his HS passing offense--look at one receiver--have a 2 yard checkdown. If that is your passing game--you should have a 70 percent completion %. Remember Brad Johnson--the master of the "None Yard Pass" has one of the highest completion percentages in the history of NFL and with Vikings running game--should Jackson be getting the ball downfield a lot easier then other QB's with lesser running game to help?

This is typical of NFL--they see one of their franchises struggling and they try to hype them when they have any success--be it against miserable teams (Oakland, SF, Chicago) or when a team self destructs and gives you a game (Giants). The best game Minnesota played all year was against the Chargers--they really beat them up and dominated that game--but Jackson didn't do a thing. He sucks--he's beyond awful and yet you listen to "experts" and he's "playing some great football and really devloping into a great player".

Don't let your ears get in the way of what you see--this guy is MANURE. Quincy Carter led Dallas to Playoffs and best record under Bill Parcells--would you want this mental midget as your QB? Kordell Stewart was the "next big thing...." Rex Grossman went to a Super Bowl last year, as did Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer won a damn Super Bowl and out of all these people--name one you would want as your QB? Bad QB play reigns in NFL and winning games in spite of the QB play often takes place on Sunday/Monday--not because of them stepping up.

Last night's game was so bad--the ESPN hype machine even came off their praise of the Vikings to admit that it was an "awful game from QB position..." and should've stopped when they said "awful game". When the time comes to play in the postseason-all of these 6/7 loss teams are always hyped as "Don't want to play them". Be warned--this year's postseason will be no different.

rdf, did tavaris pi$$ in your cereal this morning? i agree he played like garbage last night but he did a decent job the previous 4 games and they are 8-2 in games he started this year. plus, other than green bay and maybe dallas, who in the nfc is better than them? seattle?they lost to carolina. tampa? please. the giants? um no.

[RDF]

Quincy Carter went 10-6 too--and I wouldn't want him near the field---if you want to believe in Tarvaris Jackson--enjoy. That's all I say and leave it at that. If that game last night is what you equate to the QB play you want to see develop--enjoy.

I hate hype--but nothing is worse then FALSE HYPE predicated on helping a franchise sell out games and get a new stadium built. The guy shows nothing that makes you say "Hey--he's got potential to develop into a top QB who can lead his team to a championship"--yet people who don't watch the games say "He's coming along--playing some great football". Really? I mean last night the guy played like he's played all year--and he'll make a throw or two per half--and then make 3/4 decisions that make you wonder if he was sitting in Dwight Smith's parked car.

BTW--if you understand NFL justice--answer me this:

1. Roy Williams is suspended immediately by the league for his horse collar tackle--which I understand.

2. Dwight Smith is caught this past Thursday with weed--admits to the police he was smoking--and left his car running in middle of street outside of nightclub--which drew the police attention. He starts, and things are "under review".

So breaking the law is fine and subject to review--but breaking an NFL rule draws immediate suspension? I think "Chilly" needs to admit he's showing the team Cheech and Chong motivational movies instead his Wild Kingdom Bullcrap ESPN spent an inordinate amount of time wasting in the telecast.

Maybe Roy Williams or any other player who breaks an NFL law--should shoot up on the field instead--they'd likely get to play the next game without any suspension.

HoyaFanNY--you've been around far too long to ask ignorant questions about me hating on Minnesota teams. If you don't know what is going to be said by now--you'll never know. ;D

[sleepyjackson21]

I'm with RDF on this one. Out of all the NFC and AFC playoff contenders, Tavaris Jackson is the QB you would want to face most, and it's not even close. Ok, maybe Eli Manning is close, but Favre, Romo, Garcia, Hassleback, Brady, Manning, Garrard, Derek Anderson, Big Ben and even Rivers are significantly better than Jackson. Minnesota does have a stout defense and does have AP but Tavaris Jackson? c'mon.

[hifigator]

formerhoya2 said:

hoopsmccan said:

Warner took the marry a chick that looks like your mom approach...rarely a good strategy.

My mom doesn't look like the spiky-haired goblin-thing that married Kurt Warner.


I'm just saying.

Wow, that's a bit harsh isn't it? I think she is a recovering cancer patient, isn't she?

[hifigator]

RDF, the Roy Williams tackle violates a specific rule making a specific act illegal because of potential injury to the other player. Givne that he has been called for that identical penalty, not once but twice before this season, it makes sense to suspend him, to teach him to not do it again. Next time I would suggest myabe 4 games, (25%) of the season.

I didn't read the story on Dwight Smith, but I presume your facts were correct. Now first off, you know how I feel about weed, but that is beside the point. At least in Florida, possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor citation. It is exactly the same crime as open container for example. Now possession of amounts over that are a felony. As well as potentially possession with intent to distribute. The point is that misemeanor possession is simply not a serious offense. Would you want your boss suspending employees who are doing their job perfectly but on their own time slipped up somewhere along the line? I mean in all seriousness, simple misdemeanor charges in some cities include spitting on the sidewalk, jaywalking and as I mentioned walking in public with an open container of alcohol. I just don't think we want more intrusion into our daily lives. I do understand that as a professional athlete, you give up some of your privacy, but do we really want such incidents to transfer over to additional punishment at the vocational level? I for one, think not.