FewFAC
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Post by FewFAC on Sept 27, 2007 18:24:00 GMT -5
My only question about Meyer's offense was addressed by you as well Hifi--I've always wondered why a RB would go to any school he coaches--the WR and QB get more carries and it's hard to keep attracting big time players if you are going to see your QB rush 27 times and WR's getting motion handoffs. I suspect that Meyer's offense was more a function of where he developed it and the type of recruits he could bring in, and the quality of recruits he can get at Florida may lead to some new wrinkles in the system that exploit the talent advantages he is soon to get. Besides, Timbow QBs are few and far between, unless you're Nebraska, circa 1982.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 27, 2007 21:59:43 GMT -5
Willie Williams (the recruit from FL who the big 3 there were all over but he had so many discipline/legal issues) has been kicked off the team at Louisville after being arrested. "About 9:40 p.m. yesterday, a police cruiser pulled behind Williams on West Broadway and attempted to pull him over, according to a police report. Williams failed to pull over for several blocks until he stopped at Second and Broadway, where an officer found him chewing on marijuana, according to the report." Classic. Mmmmm, tasty. For medicinal purposes only.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 28, 2007 10:53:10 GMT -5
"About 9:40 p.m. yesterday, a police cruiser pulled behind Williams on West Broadway and attempted to pull him over, according to a police report. Williams failed to pull over for several blocks until he stopped at Second and Broadway, where an officer found him chewing on marijuana, according to the report." Classic. Mmmmm, tasty. For medicinal purposes only. For clarification purposes, the "big 3" I presume you refer to would be Miami, Florida and Half-Ass U. For the record, the big 3 now includes South Florida ... at least for one more day. That being said, the "big 3" were not "all over him." Florida never offered him. He did take his official visit here, which was met with much concern given his history. He didn't disappoint as he not once but twice added to his criminal history in one weekend. Granted, neither was like killing a president, but unacceptable nonetheless. As I recall, one charge was vandalism for discharging a fire extinguisher in a hotel and the other was sexual assault holding a girl against her will on a dance floor. Still, he was not going to get an offer anyhow, but any chance at one was lost with his initial Gainesville experience. It is really a shame however, since he would have fit in nicely up at FSU. I guess he just made the wrong decision by going to Miami where they are actually trying to improve their image instead of FSU where they don't care at all.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 28, 2007 11:03:17 GMT -5
My only question about Meyer's offense was addressed by you as well Hifi--I've always wondered why a RB would go to any school he coaches--the WR and QB get more carries and it's hard to keep attracting big time players if you are going to see your QB rush 27 times and WR's getting motion handoffs. I suspect that Meyer's offense was more a function of where he developed it and the type of recruits he could bring in, and the quality of recruits he can get at Florida may lead to some new wrinkles in the system that exploit the talent advantages he is soon to get. Besides, Timbow QBs are few and far between, unless you're Nebraska, circa 1982. I think you are pretty much dead on. As for Tebow, there are certainly very few legitimate quarterbacks who have his strength, size and speed. And in admittedly limited action, he has shown an excellent ability to throw as well as read defenses. As for Meyer's system however, there were lots of skeptics and questions. Thus far he has answered them all and passed with flying colors. First it just thought of as some sort of gimmicky deal at Bowling Green. Then he took it to Utah and ran the table in his second season with what most would call questionable talent. Then everyone was convinced that "it wouldn't work" in the big time world of football that is the SEC. But he tinkered with it to match up with the strengths of his players last year, specifically with Chris Leak. Now it is back to its true form and the question is whether a quarterback can take that kind of pounding. While that is a valid question, I think it ignores a key element of the equation. There are backups to Tim Tebow. Cameron Newton is actually bigger than Tebow by 2 inches and about 15 pounds. I am convinced that he could get the job done if need be, but he is certainly not as developed and far along as Tebow. The third string in John Brantley is a different style of player, somewhat in between Leak and Tebow. But all that tells me is that when it becomes his time, Meyer will tweak it a bit to fit his strengths. The bottom line is that I think too much is made of the "system." All offenses are a system, some are just a bit more unique. I understand the term "product of the system" in so much as quarterbacks with silly numbers from passing schools often don't pan out, just as solid quarterbacks with more typical numbers can be great, ala Tom Brady. But that refers to the individual players. As for the system itself, that is really all it is. And as it "works" or "doesn't work," it is up to the coaching staff to make it work. Whether that is changing personnel or the scheme itself is really up to the coaches. Thus far I certainly like the job our coaches have done.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2007 12:20:46 GMT -5
I actually don't think his offense looked good at all with Leak at QB--it did against Ohio State but the BigTen is "athletically challenged" and minute they see speed--they usually are intimidated--especially considering Ohio State is by far the most athletic team in the conference. A lot of times last year--UF's offense sputtered and needed Tebow for the jumpstart. His success isn't shocking--I thought he should've taken over the QB spot last year--he fits what is intended and makes the defense account for more. I think his running is great-but what he needs to learn is WHEN to run--you run too much and those RB's get Editeded off--and you won't get any. Emmanuel Moody transferring to a program where the RB gets ball about as much as he might have in the crowded USC backfield made little sense to me.
I love Meyer's offense with Tebow--but--I admit that if I had a recruit who was a RB, I'd never send him to Florida, because RB's need to get a rhythm and you can't when QB and WR's split carries/take them from you. Different ways to move the ball/succeed, just don't feel Florida features the RB enough to continue to get big time RB's to join their program, and eventually it will hurt them because everyone will play the WR/QB in running game and ignore the RB--not even play him--which is pretty much how I'd defend Florida now.
Willie Williams was given an opportunity at Miami--he scoffed at the "Tough love"--they kept him out of trouble--were trying to help him and then he was punished for continuing to hang out with is childhood "buddies" who don't give a rip about him--and were doing same junk he was doing in HS--truly a sad story and I just hope he finds something to inspire him to do more with his life. I dont blame Louisville or any other school--you can't make someone a better person if they ignore your help. His visit to Florida--his behavior was pathetic--and his visit to FSU where he basically bragged to the point recruiting was changed in terms of amount of $/visits because of his "diary" and sharing of what happened. He seemed to flourish in JUCO under supervision of his coach--who was also a Parole Officer, but he slipped up again. Great thing about life--never too late to change your ways--and hope he does it.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 28, 2007 12:54:48 GMT -5
hifi, Williams tried to go to Miami and he had official visits at the other 2 did he not?
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2007 14:34:03 GMT -5
hifi, Williams tried to go to Miami and he had official visits at the other 2 did he not? Willie Williams was a Cane for 3 years--under strict rules-he sat out his first season--couldn't do certain things other students could in terms of leaving campus, etc...and it was working--for a while--then he started falling back in with wrong crowd and was dismissed from program. As for his HS visits-he took official visits to Miami, FSU, and UF.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 28, 2007 15:04:37 GMT -5
hifi, Williams tried to go to Miami and he had official visits at the other 2 did he not? Willie Williams was a Cane for 3 years--under strict rules-he sat out his first season--couldn't do certain things other students could in terms of leaving campus, etc...and it was working--for a while--then he started falling back in with wrong crowd and was dismissed from program. As for his HS visits-he took official visits to Miami, FSU, and UF. Thanks for proving my point to hifi. FSU and UF were looking at him as much as Miami, until his little incident on his official at FSU I believe.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 28, 2007 20:18:49 GMT -5
USF is making WVU look like garbage tonight from what I've seen so far.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 29, 2007 12:31:41 GMT -5
Willie Williams was a Cane for 3 years--under strict rules-he sat out his first season--couldn't do certain things other students could in terms of leaving campus, etc...and it was working--for a while--then he started falling back in with wrong crowd and was dismissed from program. As for his HS visits-he took official visits to Miami, FSU, and UF. Thanks for proving my point to hifi. FSU and UF were looking at him as much as Miami, until his little incident on his official at FSU I believe. I wasn't trying to start an argument, just pointing out that we didn't offer him a scholarship ever. He had skeletons in his closet, so to speak, and everyone knew about them. He did take one of his official visits to campus, but that is not unusual at all for any highly rated prospect/recruit. No big deal, and we have certainly had our share of "judicially challenged" recently, so I can't claim perfection for sure. Still, there were too many red flags with this guy and even before his visit there was much discussion which became public. Obviously coaches can't "comment" on recruits, but there were plenty of unsubstantiated rumors. Either way, the point is he was never given an offer and that was intentional. Miami and FSU both offered, even after the added troubles during assorted recruiting trips. And as we all know now, he ended up at Miami and continuted to have troubles ... and then Louisville and continued to have troubles ... and then ... who knows???
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 29, 2007 18:22:17 GMT -5
Is anybody any good in college football? LSU, USC... maybe Florida?
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 29, 2007 18:36:04 GMT -5
Before this week I was hearing alot of "There are only 5 really good teams and after the top 5 it's just a crapshoot." Might have to adjust that number downward now.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 29, 2007 18:59:50 GMT -5
that's about it SF. i hate to say it, but i wouldn't be shocked to see a team that nobody is talking about right now be there at the end with either lsu/florida or usc.....ohio state. wisconsin and msu don't have the qb's or defense to beat them, morelli craps himself in pressure games, and ,even as a michigan fan, i don't have much faith in us beating sweater vest nov 17th.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 29, 2007 22:27:10 GMT -5
Way to go Auburn!
I HATE the bush league "call-timeout-just-as-the-ball-is-about-to-be-snapped" pulled by Urban Meyer. Good for the Auburn kicker to shove it back in their face.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 29, 2007 22:42:42 GMT -5
Way to go Auburn! I HATE the bush league "call-timeout-just-as-the-ball-is-about-to-be-snapped" pulled by Urban Meyer. Good for the Auburn kicker to shove it back in their face. Do you hate the call, or the fact that Florida tried it?
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 29, 2007 23:15:09 GMT -5
Way to go Auburn! I HATE the bush league "call-timeout-just-as-the-ball-is-about-to-be-snapped" pulled by Urban Meyer. Good for the Auburn kicker to shove it back in their face. Do you hate the call, or the fact that Florida tried it? Primarily the call, but the way they did it (the coach waiting to the last second and calling it at the sideline) is bush league. Yes, it's legal, but it's bush league.
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Post by RDF on Sept 30, 2007 0:21:23 GMT -5
Florida's problem crept up tonight--Auburn ignored their RB altogether--they would just let him carry his fake out, go after Tebow and it led to the win. This has to be corrected and Meyer's got to tell "Superman" to quit trying to do too much. Nobody is good in CFB this year--it's awful. I honestly watch and think someone with 3 losses might be best team in country by year's end. Reasons vary--USC--John David Booty is awful--he's just friggin AWFUL--and my preseason pick of UW upsetting them almost happened--but not quite good enough to get it done. LSU--their OL has a lot of fat slobs. OU--still hasnt' figured out how to defend the forward pass. Cal-Oregon--great game--but flaws in those teams on defense. Ohio State--anyone with athletes/speed will give them problems--it's also why I'm starting to see them running table and ruining another NC game. In a way it makes sport "fun"-but it's also nice to have teams playing good football and others raising their level instead of everyone in the country playing like idiots. I'm stating to think those goblins at FSU could back into this mix with their defense alone. Clemson--WTH is up with Tommy Bowden? Fire him now. Just too much weirdness--although nice to see Anthony Morelli strike again and prevent PSU from accomplishing their goals--what a lousy QB--although not much different from John David Booty. BTW--nice to see Randy Shannon's Canes are just like Grandpa Clappy's version. Only up 3 on Duke with 3 minutes left and won by 10--pathetic.
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Post by RDF on Sept 30, 2007 0:23:57 GMT -5
Forgot to mention--sleeper team in this entire thing nobody is talking about and has the firepower, QB, RB, and is a lot better then people think--Arizona State with Dennis Erickson-they'll likely make USC's penalty amount from tonight's game look mild which will eventually haunt them--but skill player wise--I'd take every ASU player over USC guys minus Fred Davis at TE.
Rudy Carpenter is better then Booty
Ryan Torain is better then any USC RB
Their WR's are faster and better--USC is slow at WR and it adds to Booty's ineffective play--but it also doesn't matter because slow/not--they are open and he can't hit anyone unless it's a 5 yard hitch or a great catch by his receivers-it's never a well thrown ball downfield from him.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 30, 2007 7:05:30 GMT -5
asu has them at home and they don't have sam keller to hand usc the game this year. great day of football yesterday. always nice to see sleaze urban and fat charlie lose on the same day.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 30, 2007 13:27:20 GMT -5
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