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Post by Filthyhoya on Jan 17, 2005 13:21:58 GMT -5
With the way Owens has played of late, does he deserve to be brought back for another year? He seems to be getting more confident as the season goes on which is fantastic. Just wondering what the board thinks. If he continues to get better, I believe it should be strongly considered.
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Post by aggypryd on Jan 17, 2005 13:30:10 GMT -5
With the way Owens has played of late, does he deserve to be brought back for another year? He seems to be getting more confident as the season goes on which is fantastic. Just wondering what the board thinks. If he continues to get better, I believe it should be strongly considered. Owens has always had the talent...He just lacks the 'Fire' or confidence... He would definitely help the team out next year... It's 1 year with a solid player and solid contributor vs. an unknown... We could get a guy in here that will help to put us into that elite category...or we could end up with a four-year member of the supporting cast... Unless there was someone too good to pass up, I'd keep Owens on the squad for another year... |
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 17, 2005 13:37:16 GMT -5
I agree that we should keep Owens unless we can find a major immediate impact recruit. Otherwise I'd much rather have DJ for another year and keep the schollie for a dominant recruit in '06.
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Post by Frank Black on Jan 17, 2005 13:52:41 GMT -5
Agreed, I think Owens has definitely improved a great deal in this system. He wants to come back so I say, give him another year.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 17, 2005 14:01:28 GMT -5
Is it just JT3 that determines if Owens can come back or does he have to get cleared byt he NCAA? And if so, what would he be trying to get cleared under?
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 17, 2005 14:03:28 GMT -5
He was a partial qualifier as a freshman, so he would have to graduate this year and then apply for a 5th year I believe.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 17, 2005 14:16:45 GMT -5
So what are the odds that he'd get the 5th year of eligibility granted? Hopefully, they're pretty good, b/c with the way he's playing, he's definately worth keeping if we can.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2005 14:17:56 GMT -5
If he graduates in four years and re-enrolls in a graduate program, the NCAA will grant the fifth year.
The question is whether GU will give him the scholarship. And, of course, whether he wants to come back.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 17, 2005 14:19:18 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up SF and 007.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 17, 2005 14:26:03 GMT -5
Other than talk on this board, has there been anything said anywhere that he might actually come back?
Could he help the team next year, sure.
But there are other issues to consider.
DJ is basically a 3. He could play some 2.
We have two guys coming in who can play the three behind Bowman, and two guys who can play the two behind Cook. Giving a lot of minutes to DJ would help in the short run, but would not help the development of our incoming freshmen -- and the longer term future of the team.
And that is before considering schollies. Right now, we have one available. Most people assume that would go to Wallace, i would certainly say he deserves it more.
And, we are still looking for a big man as we are woefully undermanned in this area.
By the way, on Wallace. He grew up on a farm in Alabama, but he is a walk-on and was going to walk on at Princeton. Is this something his family can afford? Even if they can, is it fair to have him playing so many minutes and being such a key contributor and he still has to pay his own way? doesn't seem like it to me.
In short, even though i like DJ and am glad to see he is finally fulfilling his potential, I don't see the wisdom in granting him another year. There is only one scenario (well maybe two) that would make me reconsider.
1. Wallace gets the schollie
someone leaves
and DJ gets the open schollie.
2. Wallace gets the schollie
We get a promising big man
And two other players leave
Dj gets the open schollie
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2005 14:33:41 GMT -5
Other than talk on this board, has there been anything said anywhere that he might actually come back? Could he help the team next year, sure. But there are other issues to consider. DJ is basically a 3. He could play some 2. We have two guys coming in who can play the three behind Bowman, and two guys who can play the two behind Cook. Giving a lot of minutes to DJ would help in the short run, but would not help the development of our incoming freshmen -- and the longer term future of the team. And that is before considering schollies. Right now, we have one available. Most people assume that would go to Wallace, i would certainly say he deserves it more. And, we are still looking for a big man as we are woefully undermanned in this area. By the way, on Wallace. He grew up on a farm in Alabama, but he is a walk-on and was going to walk on at Princeton. Is this something his family can afford? Even if they can, is it fair to have him playing so many minutes and being such a key contributor and he still has to pay his own way? doesn't seem like it to me. In short, even though i like DJ and am glad to see he is finally fulfilling his potential, I don't see the wisdom in granting him another year. There is only one scenario (well maybe two) that would make me reconsider. 1. Wallace gets the schollie someone leaves and DJ gets the open schollie. 2. Wallace gets the schollie We get a promising big man And two other players leave Dj gets the open schollie JW's father is a school administrator, I believe, so while they are definitely not needy, I'm not sure they are in the position where that $30-40k/year is something to pass up. Obviously, the made the decision they could, but this isn't PE, Jr. I don't think. I agree those are the situations where it will happen, but I think we will miss DJ a lot. Spann and Egerson's games are different than DJs -- their jumpers seem to be the weakest part of the game. Thornton will certainly bring in a nice outside shooter, but at the 3 we'll miss DJ's 3ball. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 17, 2005 15:01:46 GMT -5
Wallace would at least be receiving whatever need-based aid he qualifies for, so it is unlikely that his family is actually footing the entire 40k this year, but he is clearly worthy of a scholarship next year. Wouldn't it be great if one of the papers covering this team actually asked JT3 these kinds of questions so we did not just have to speculate?
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Post by Simian Prime on Jan 17, 2005 15:13:11 GMT -5
Owens is not coming back next year.
Wallace is on scholarship
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 17, 2005 15:36:17 GMT -5
Simian that seems to be a definitive answer on your part with Owens. You also stated you had knowledge that Green is in fine academic standing. Not asking for you to give out your "secret identity"(and maybe others know who you are) but just wondering how you know so much about the team internally. I guess all im asking is whether your absolutely sure on the information your giving. Not questioning you, but it seems that you are very close with the team.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 17, 2005 15:51:17 GMT -5
I would favor having DO's coming back next year, if he wants to. His talents were always known, but now he has appeared to bring the fire that he didn't have before. I think at this rate, he would definitely be an asset next year and allow some time for the frosh to develop. He could add a lot of depth to the team, since he has some known talents.
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Post by Simian Prime on Jan 17, 2005 16:02:09 GMT -5
Just a strong strong "feeling" so to speak.
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Post by Filthyhoya on Jan 17, 2005 16:17:10 GMT -5
Strong feelings with actual proof?
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Post by Frank Black on Jan 17, 2005 19:30:05 GMT -5
DJ told me this summer that he was coming back. Honest to God, I'm not even trying to become a starter here.
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Post by FOTP on Jan 17, 2005 20:05:49 GMT -5
GUys - Let's not get clouded by a couple of decent games off the bench by Owens. I like him...he's a decent player. However, we need every available scholarship for JTIII to recruit a new generation.
JTIII inherited this team and needs to build it in his image. The reality is some guys aren't going to fit into what he wants in the long term.
Owens will have a degree from Georgetown and isn't going to play in the NBA. JTIII needs all the ammo we can give him in bringing in the next generation of superstar.
Just my $.02. NOTHING against Owens at all. I just think we need to give JTIII the opportunity to build his team.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 17, 2005 20:26:04 GMT -5
Yeah, but there dont appear to be any superstars left in this recruiting class. I'd rather have Owens for 1 more season than use a schollie on a warm body that never really contributes.
Unless we can pull in a sleeper Big Man who can contribute immediately I think we should hold the scholarship for an impact recruit in the '06 class. Owens would only be holding the schollie for 1 more year, not 4.
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