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Post by RDF on Aug 13, 2006 16:43:55 GMT -5
So Mr. Smart Ass is always around when it's something pertaining to the Gators and then two of us call him out to comment and he was online--yet amazingly goes "Silent"? Hmm, did we say something that wasn't pro Gainesville?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 14, 2006 13:57:45 GMT -5
My guess was that the AP poll would be released today, but haven't seen anything yet. Anyone know anything?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2006 14:55:00 GMT -5
So Mr. Smart Ass is always around when it's something pertaining to the Gators and then two of us call him out to comment and he was online--yet amazingly goes "Silent"? Hmm, did we say something that wasn't pro Gainesville? I believe you've accurately defined "troll."
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Post by hifigator on Aug 14, 2006 16:19:15 GMT -5
Hey guys ... don't mind me. I have been on your site all of 45 minutes. I started over at Hoya Talk and just got here.
No, I don't have any selective memory. And yes Miami was a better team than us in 2000 (actually 2001 technically) but that is not the point. I don't think there was much difference in the year before last when Miami beat us in the Peach Bowl. But "woulda coulda shouldas" still mean you lost and they did win the game. But ... we had a converted fake field goal setting up a first and goal called back for illegal procedure. It was a good call but still. Without that call we take a lead and arguably win the game. It was evenly matched to that point. Instead we had to try the field goal ... it was blocked and Devin Hester takes it to the house. Hats of to him; he was certainly a stud. But in the Sugar Bowl a couple of years earlier, Miami had a much better team than we did.
Getting back to the first FSU title, I think both teams had an argument but it wasn't like Notre Dame hadn't played anyone. In addition to FSU, they beat USC, Michigan and a good Penn St. team. Yes they did lose to BC and you are correct that the timing is what killed them. If they lose to BC in week 3, then they are still ranked ahead of FSU at the end of the year.
But if after it is all said and done, and you have two teams standing there with identical records, and both teams played similar schedules and one team beat the other then it's awfully hard to give it to the team which lost head to head.
I will never forget Lou Holtz's quote:
He said that in situations like this, it would be nice to have the two teams play a game against each other late in the season, and see who wins .... oh, wait a minute I thought we already did that.
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 14, 2006 16:46:56 GMT -5
Get back to us when Florida actually has a win in their latest football game against the woeful Gamecocks.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 14, 2006 20:46:07 GMT -5
While I really hate to say so, I agree with hifigator here. Although it didn't bother me one bit that Notre Dame did not win the national championship that season, I thought they should have.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 15, 2006 14:51:53 GMT -5
Why do you "hate" to say that you agree with wonderful ole' me? That is actually a badge of honor. Wear it proudly.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 16, 2006 13:53:17 GMT -5
Why do you "hate" to say that you agree with wonderful ole' me? That is actually a badge of honor. Wear it proudly. Excuse me while I go take a shower.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 21, 2006 10:48:26 GMT -5
So the AP polls came out while I was out of town this weekend. Notre Dame at #2? Let's review: The #1 team (Ohio State) played the #2 team (Notre Dame), last season in the Fiesta Bowl. #1 handled #2 easily, winning 34-20. Did #2 get any better from last season to this season? Who are these new impact players that justify the Irish being ranked #2? Are we simply assuming Brady Quinn is going to break all NCAA passing records this season under the sage tutelage of Charlie Weis? Did a defense show up in South Bend this summer and offer to suit up for the Irish? Does Laura Quinn have 10 votes in the AP poll?
AP voters often vote with their hearts and not their heads. Or more cynically, they often vote for storylines and not talent. Typically this has resulted in Texas being overrated, but the 'Horns have been slighted in the '06 preseason poll now that the program has achieved success. Notre Dame should not be #2 in any poll, and the Irish are going to come crashing down early in the season. I think it will happen in week 1 at Georgia Tech.
More reasons the AP voters are dumb: SC at 6 (behind WVU!), OU at 10, Cal in the Top 10 @ #9, Tennessee being in the poll at all.
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Post by RDF on Aug 21, 2006 11:13:15 GMT -5
Georgia Tech isn't beating ND--they will make it a game but the reason they will not win is a simple two worded answer--REGGIE BALL. He's terrible. I know Tech beat Miami and the offensively challenged Canes in the Orange Bowl--but let's be honest, who hasn't of late? Ball is too inconsistent and not an accurate passer which means ND will confuse him and they'll just bracket Calvin Johnson all game and force others to beat them. Believe me, I hope to God I'm wrong, but Reggie Ball once threw a 4th down pass out of bounds on purpose with less then 20 seconds and team in need of a TD against UGA, and he knew what down it was--as he walked off the field immediately after the throw--that is NOT the type of person who beats a well coached team.
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Post by badgerhoya on Aug 21, 2006 11:34:22 GMT -5
Georgia Tech isn't beating ND--they will make it a game but the reason they will not win is a simple two worded answer--REGGIE BALL. He's terrible. I would add another two worded answer -- Chan Gailey. Man can't coach his way out of a paper bag, even with all the "athletes" he recruits. Seriously though, there is no reason why GT shouldn't be consistently contending for the ACC title -- rather than hoping to get to 7-4 so they can get stomped in a meaningless bowl game.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 21, 2006 11:54:02 GMT -5
I'll continue this trend and respond with two words: Week One. I wouldn't pick Ga. Tech to beat Notre Dame in Week 3 in South Bend. Ga. Tech is not a perfect team, but they do have enough talent to pull off upsets, particularly in the first week of the season when many teams are still working out the kinks and auditioning players for key positions.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 21, 2006 12:34:42 GMT -5
Georgia Tech isn't beating ND--they will make it a game but the reason they will not win is a simple two worded answer--REGGIE BALL. He's terrible. I know Tech beat Miami and the offensively challenged Canes in the Orange Bowl--but let's be honest, who hasn't of late? Ball is too inconsistent and not an accurate passer which means ND will confuse him and they'll just bracket Calvin Johnson all game and force others to beat them. Believe me, I hope to God I'm wrong, but Reggie Ball once threw a 4th down pass out of bounds on purpose with less then 20 seconds and team in need of a TD against UGA, and he knew what down it was--as he walked off the field immediately after the throw--that is NOT the type of person who beats a well coached team. Is there any reason to think that ND won't take Utah's game plan from the bowl game last season where the Utes rolled 38-10 behind a passing onsaught and a defense that held Calvin Johnson to 2 catches for 19 yards.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 21, 2006 12:43:03 GMT -5
I think it is really a good news/bad news situation for the Irish. The good news is that they return 9 starters on defense. The bad news is that they return 9 starters on defense. Incidentally, the number of yards that the "vaunted" defense gave up in their last outing was 617 against the BUckeyes.
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Post by VelvetElvis on Aug 21, 2006 13:38:16 GMT -5
another good news/bad news scenario:
Good News - Florida returns a 3 year starter at QB Bad News - Said QB is named Chris Leak
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 21, 2006 23:44:32 GMT -5
I would add another two worded answer -- Chan Gailey. Man can't coach his way out of a paper bag, even with all the "athletes" he recruits. Just found out Gailey has relinquished play-calling duties for this season. The OC, a dude named Patrick Nix, will be calling the shots instead.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 22, 2006 11:53:30 GMT -5
I would add another two worded answer -- Chan Gailey. Man can't coach his way out of a paper bag, even with all the "athletes" he recruits. Just found out Gailey has relinquished play-calling duties for this season. The OC, a dude named Patrick Nix, will be calling the shots instead. Are you being serious? I hadn't heard that. I am pretty sure that Patrick Nix was an Auburn QB about a dozen years ago or so. I didn't know he was in coaching now. Yo, Elvis .... There is some uncertainty with regard to Leak but I am a firm believer. But I admit that he has his doubters. The problem is that he has never been allowed to develop into the offense. This is the first year that he has had the same OC and same offensive scheme for 2 years in a row. I honestly expect him to do very well. We are absolutely loaded on the offensive side of the ball. We have tons of talent and more speed than I have seen in a long long time. 11 more days baby ....
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Post by VelvetElvis on Aug 22, 2006 13:03:58 GMT -5
The only family that has done more damage to the state of College Football than the Leaks are the Clausens.
I am actually going to the UF/UT game this year. This game used to be the most important game of the year in the SEC East.
...now I go there to see how many UT players will get arrested after the game
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Post by RDF on Aug 22, 2006 13:40:56 GMT -5
Just found out Gailey has relinquished play-calling duties for this season. The OC, a dude named Patrick Nix, will be calling the shots instead. Are you being serious? I hadn't heard that. I am pretty sure that Patrick Nix was an Auburn QB about a dozen years ago or so. I didn't know he was in coaching now. Yo, Elvis .... There is some uncertainty with regard to Leak but I am a firm believer. But I admit that he has his doubters. The problem is that he has never been allowed to develop into the offense. This is the first year that he has had the same OC and same offensive scheme for 2 years in a row. I honestly expect him to do very well. We are absolutely loaded on the offensive side of the ball. We have tons of talent and more speed than I have seen in a long long time. 11 more days baby .... Chris Leak is GARBAGE. The kid lacks guts, has no clue what it takes to win, and isn't a leader. Leaders don't slide short of 1st Down marker on 3rd down to avoid taking a hit--it's about winning, not protecting your body and it's guys who play like that who end up getting hurt/injured more. The guy backs up on his throws, has horrible footwork in the pocket, can't take a hit, throws ball and turns away to avoid getting hit, and is basically your grade A, bonofide, chicken BLEEP. The only positive I can about Leak is that he proves how worthless recruiting Rankings are--he was the consensus #1 QB and it's a joke. That kid isn't a leader or winner, but glad Hifi is a "believer", be even funnier when the Gators stink up the joint and Leak is pulled about midseason for the tougher, better fit for Meyer's offense Tebow.
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Post by VelvetElvis on Aug 22, 2006 13:51:17 GMT -5
He and his brother were high profile, low output recruits. His father was insane and Fulmer had the guy banned from campus in Knoxville.
RDF, are you saying that recruiting rankings are worthless across the board in college sports or only in football? I have to say that I have spent this entire summer avoiding all posts on the hoops board pertaining to recruits and their rankings
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