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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 28, 2006 0:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Jun 28, 2006 2:39:27 GMT -5
Please let this happen
FREE A.I.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I were Boston and wanted to land AI, just simply offer Raef LaFrentz, rights to Darren Daye and Brad Lohaus, and watch how quickly Billy King jumps on it! When Isaiah is fired this December, the public will finally see just how rotten and awful Billy King is and has been.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2006 7:09:13 GMT -5
Of course... I leave Boston, AI shows up. F----n' Billy King...
... and I agree, RDF. King is just as bad (if not worse) than Thomas. Two worst exec's in recent memory, given the rosters/teams they had to work with (yes, that includes Layden).
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jun 28, 2006 10:20:00 GMT -5
As a Sixers fan, I would have liked to have seen AI there forever and win one.
But that organization is a disaster. 2001: Starting lineup is Snow, Iverson, Lynch, Hill, and Mutombo. I was loving life. Two tough, defensive big men down low, a distributing point, and a kind of invisible SF who did some dirty work. The Sixers had two perennial all-stars: one inside and one outside. The result was an Eastern Conference title.
Then someone said: "This team got really close to a title. They look to be a cohesive unit comfortable with deferring to their scoring leader in the clutch. I think the only way to make this team better is to add Derrick Coleman."
Are you %^&*-ing, #$%^&*#$%^&-ing, #$%^-ing kidding me?
And then Coleman begat Robinson. And then Robinson begat Webber. And now the only way out is to trade Iverson. Great.
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Post by RDF on Jun 28, 2006 10:44:22 GMT -5
As a Sixers fan, I would have liked to have seen AI there forever and win one. But that organization is a disaster. 2001: Starting lineup is Snow, Iverson, Lynch, Hill, and Mutombo. I was loving life. Two tough, defensive big men down low, a distributing point, and a kind of invisible SF who did some dirty work. The Sixers had two perennial all-stars: one inside and one outside. The result was an Eastern Conference title. Then someone said: "This team got really close to a title. They look to be a cohesive unit comfortable with deferring to their scoring leader in the clutch. I think the only way to make this team better is to add Derrick Coleman." Are you %^&*-ing, #$%^&*#$%^&-ing, #$%^-ing kidding me? And then Coleman begat Robinson. And then Robinson begat Webber. And now the only way out is to trade Iverson. Great. Giga-you summed it up perfectly. And what I love is the Sixers also rid themselves of the athletic wing types who fit in with AI--guys like Jumaine Jones, Rodney Buford, Raja Bell and those guys fit AI's game perfectly--could fill lanes, finish, and would take open shots. The idea should've been to surround him with guys like that--maybe improved versions but at least a clue of how to build a team around him--and then "DC" returns and ruins everything--of course the minute Pat Croce left the misery of King/Brown's decision making took over. FREE AI--and FREE HIM TONIGHT!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2006 10:45:24 GMT -5
As a Sixers fan, I would have liked to have seen AI there forever and win one. But that organization is a disaster. 2001: Starting lineup is Snow, Iverson, Lynch, Hill, and Mutombo. I was loving life. Two tough, defensive big men down low, a distributing point, and a kind of invisible SF who did some dirty work. The Sixers had two perennial all-stars: one inside and one outside. The result was an Eastern Conference title. Then someone said: "This team got really close to a title. They look to be a cohesive unit comfortable with deferring to their scoring leader in the clutch. I think the only way to make this team better is to add Derrick Coleman." Are you %^&*-ing, #$%^&*#$%^&-ing, #$%^-ing kidding me? And then Coleman begat Robinson. And then Robinson begat Webber. And now the only way out is to trade Iverson. Great. That's about the most concise summary of a team's downfall I've ever seen. Well, that and... um... _ _ _.
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Post by the_way on Jun 28, 2006 12:18:48 GMT -5
Either way, its really kind of sad.
AI is the best player since Michael Jordan, IMO. He was even faster and more quicker than Jordan too. Shaq is the most dominant of course, but AI has it all to me.
Sure Kobe is great. But right now, Kobe's teams are no different than AI's team without Shaq. And Kobe still has a Lamar Odom type on his squad. When did AI ever have that type of player. Most of the guys he gets are either malcontents and/or over-the-hill like Big Dog and Webber and Coleman.
I really like Dwayne Wade, but having Shaq AND role players like Zo, Haslem, Posey, Antoine Walker, both Andersons,and Gary Payton doesn't hurt either.
I think AI will end up like Ewing. The only thing with Ewing is that he had some talented teams he played on. When has AI ever really had a talented team? Once. His best team was when they were basically all defensive role players and he was the ONLY scoring option. That was one year.
AI has never really had the talent around him consistently. If he hooks up with Paul Pierce, it will be the best player AI has played with in this league. I like Pierce. He is fierce and tough. However, I don't know if they match on the same team. It wouldn't be an ego thing, but I don't know if their game compliment each other. Plus Boston is years away. Their future forwards and centers are practically still in diapers. And Ainge is imcompetent as a GM. And Doc Rivers is a mediocre coach.
So, I'm happy that AI may go to another squad, but a player of his caliber should be on franchises that are trying to build towards or contend for NBA championships, not dunce caps.
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Post by RDF on Jun 28, 2006 12:35:05 GMT -5
Either way, its really kind of sad. AI is the best player since Michael Jordan, IMO. He was even faster and more quicker than Jordan too. Shaq is the most dominant of course, but AI has it all to me. Sure Kobe is great. But right now, Kobe's teams are no different than AI's team without Shaq. And Kobe still has a Lamar Odom type on his squad. When did AI ever have that type of player. Most of the guys he gets are either malcontents and/or over-the-hill like Big Dog and Webber and Coleman. I really like Dwayne Wade, but having Shaq AND role players like Zo, Haslem, Posey, Antoine Walker, both Andersons,and Gary Payton doesn't hurt either. I think AI will end up like Ewing. The only thing with Ewing is that he had some talented teams he played on. When has AI ever really had a talented team? Once. His best team was when they were basically all defensive role players and he was the ONLY scoring option. That was one year. AI has never really had the talent around him consistently. If he hooks up with Paul Pierce, it will be the best player AI has played with in this league. I like Pierce. He is fierce and tough. However, I don't know if they match on the same team. It wouldn't be an ego thing, but I don't know if their game compliment each other. Plus Boston is years away. Their future forwards and centers are practically still in diapers. And Ainge is imcompetent as a GM. And Doc Rivers is a mediocre coach. So, I'm happy that AI may go to another squad, but a player of his caliber should be on franchises that are trying to build towards or contend for NBA championships, not dunce caps. I like AI to Boston because they have athletic people who can finish, they have another LEGIT Elite player in Pierce as you mentioned, and how about this scenario--Pops going to Boston to Coach and Doc Rivers stepping down to follow his son's career at GU?? Why not? Pops is loyal to Red and Boston and would be perfect fit and has relationship with Ainge from working at TNT together a few times--why not? Get it done and no matter what get AI the BLEEP out of Philly--I will wish Philly nothing but ill will if they keep him and don't make this team better--they are going nowhere with Mo Cheeks--he's a listless corpse on the bench and Billy King's only positive addition to Philly would be his departure--preferrably with his head on a stick the way he's mangled this franchise and ruined AI's career, but surrounding him with CRAP!
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 28, 2006 14:44:53 GMT -5
Anywhere but Boston.
I can never root for the Celtics. Never. Under any circumstances. Three years in Boston did that to me (but only for the Celtics; I have no negative feelings toward the Patriots or the Red Sox; or even the Bruins). I hope they go 100 years without winning another title. So sent AI anywhere but there.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 28, 2006 15:10:00 GMT -5
... how about this scenario--Pops going to Boston to Coach and Doc Rivers stepping down to follow his son's career at GU?? Why not? Pops is loyal to Red and Boston and would be perfect fit and has relationship with Ainge from working at TNT together a few times--why not? If you've not been listening to JTII's radio show lately the question of pops coaching came up - he played a taped call from his grandson (JTIII's son?) saying "I made my first basket at Georgetown today?" - then Pops said that was all he was focused on right now.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 28, 2006 16:51:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2006 17:20:09 GMT -5
I think this is a much better move by Ainge. Telfair is going to be around for a while, is on the verge of being a solid NBA PG... he's no AI giving his mind/body/soul every time he's actually on the court, but I think he's going to be a solid pro. Give him a few seasons and he'll be up at the level of hype that movie of his on ESPN built him up to be.
For Bilas to suggest Marcus Williams is head and shoulders a better guard than Telfair is the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard him say.
Oh, and this is a good pick for the Blazers as they try and rebuild that franchise. If they can only get rid of Darius Miles - who may be the WORST PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY FOR THE $$$ - and get a few good players at #'s 4 and 7, they'll be on their way back.
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Post by RDF on Jun 28, 2006 17:25:37 GMT -5
Was just on Celtics board and they are all talking like AI deal is going to happen--just a matter of WHEN. I never grew up a Celts fan but I am an AI fan and while I understand what Rooter and other Celtic haters are saying, I don't care what it takes or where he goes--just get AI OUT OF PHILLY and Billy King's hands. If Philly doesn't trade AI and makes him suffer with that hot garbage of a roster, I will personally construct the illest Voo-Doo doll ever and Billy King, Ed Snider, and the entire organization will suffer from something far worse then death--they'll be given a Basketball Death Sentence which will involve them hiring/firing coaches, drafting, signing and trading for terrible players, and just screwing up everything--OH WAIT--that has already been done--to me and other Philly fans!!! FREE AI--ASAP!!!! And Celtic Green is fine by me!!! I'd settle for a trade to the WNBA--just anywhere but Philly!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2006 19:21:18 GMT -5
So basically the C's traded Foye for Telfair. Eh.
I'm with Screamin' A. Smith... poor Foye, being stuck in Portland and all. Maybe they can dump Miles (finally) and with Aldridge and others start rebuilding what was once a proud franchise.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 28, 2006 19:41:06 GMT -5
While I am obviously in favor of the Celts geting Iverson, RDF have those individuals mentioned who the Celts will have to give up? I have heard its going to Wally S., Al Jefferson, and G.Green. While probably worth it for Iverson it does deplete the bench.
I mean D.West, Iverson, Pierce, Gomes, K.Perkins is ok and a playoff team, but that leaves in my mind a pitiful bench of Telfair, Tony Allen, Scalabrine, Ratliff, Oriene Greene, etc;
This may help Iverson escape Philly, but it just brings him to another team that wont get out of the first rd.
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Post by RDF on Jun 28, 2006 20:03:31 GMT -5
Beantown--it's Billy King--you will NEVER have to give up Green AND Jefferson--he'll take a mix of dogcrap--offer him Wally, Scalabrine, and some Dunkin Donuts and he'll do the deal.
This is Billy King and I'm amazed how so many have no clue how retarded this man truly is when it comes to running a franchise.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 28, 2006 20:13:10 GMT -5
RDF i am fully aware at how inept King is, I think however you may not be aware there is a thing called a salary cap in the NBA. : )
There will have to be a 3rd team involved in order to make this work(the Celts don't have the cap room to just bring in AI and a coffee from Dunkin Donuts) and although King is a meathead whoever the other GM is that is involved in this trade will certainly be asking for some of the Celts young pieces.
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Post by RDF on Jun 28, 2006 20:19:27 GMT -5
Possibly--and yes I know about the Salary Cap--Christ Sakes I'm one of like 2 people (MCI) who actually love the NBA on this board. I'm just saying there is no way you have to get rid of both Green or Jefferson--I'd guess Tony Allen will be part of the deal and third team is rumored to be Cleveland right now--Gooden rumored to Philly and Wally to Cleveland.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 29, 2006 11:55:31 GMT -5
So basically the C's traded Foye for Telfair. Eh. Don't discount the value of unloading LaFraentz' putrid contract - although Ratleff's is about the same cap hit, it ends one year earlier. Ainge was basically able to get the draft PG he wanted (Rondo), a 'seasoned' PG (Telfair), AND dump LaFraentz all in one day. Not bad, assuming the PGs pan out. I haven't seen either play enough to know if I think it is a good idea yet.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 30, 2006 13:14:04 GMT -5
This is from the Boston Globe today:
The Celtics already dangled Wally Szczerbiak, but league sources confirmed Philly has no interest in him, which means he would only be of value in a three-way transaction. If the Celtics want Iverson, it will cost them Jefferson (don't buy that untouchable nonsense -- who do you think has more cache at the concession stands, A.I. or Big Al?), and a combination of players such as Gerald Green (the Sixers like him), Ryan Gomes (King is a fan) or even possibly Delonte West now that Telfair is in town.
Like I said before it will probably take a 3rd team to have any deal work under the cap. I love Iverson but not enough to throw away all of our young pieces to get him. Wally goes to a 3rd team and the Celts will have to also give up Jefferson and another young player. Which in my mind doesn't put them any closer to a title when it completely diminishes their bench.
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