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Post by Gold Hoya on Jun 5, 2006 12:30:30 GMT -5
wow, this thread is turning into the sons of sam horn or something. aren't these two teams done playing yet? I used to enjoy the rivalry but it's no fun without Pedro and Zimmer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2006 21:00:44 GMT -5
This debate just isn't the same without 'Bridge.
Hope he's having a good time with BrAngelina in Cambodia or wherever he went...
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 22, 2006 14:10:08 GMT -5
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Hank Scorpio
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Aug 1, 2006 9:31:14 GMT -5
What do the Sox fans here make of Boston's inactivity at the trade deadline?
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Post by JimmyHoya on Aug 1, 2006 10:14:13 GMT -5
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Post by Bahstin on Aug 1, 2006 10:45:20 GMT -5
What do the Sox fans here make of Boston's inactivity at the trade deadline? It is a little disappointing, given that the Yankees were able to significantly better themselves, but I agree with the organization's view of not sacrificing future years for this year. I am enjoying the Papelbon/Lester/Hanson/DelCarmen era thus far and there are several other highly touted prospects soon to come. It is a nice change of pace from the old regime, when we only got new talent from trades and free agency.
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Post by HoyaOnBothSides on Aug 1, 2006 10:46:42 GMT -5
lalalalala...come on...yankees payroll comin into the season was $195M, add Abreau @ 13.6 and lidle at 3.3, thats around $212 million! That's more than the blue jays, orioles, and devil rays COMBINED! $70 Million (or the entire padres, rangers, blue jays or twins) more than the red sox, and over $100 million over the mets, white sox, and angels. The yankees can't be anyone's rival...it's a joke! How can anyone take baseball seriously?
Now how about Carols Beltran...3 Grand Slams in July!
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Hank Scorpio
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Aug 1, 2006 11:31:02 GMT -5
They came close to trading Hansen, Delcarmen and Crisp to Atlanta for Andruw Jones and then spinning it off to Houston for Roy Oswalt. Atlanta insisted on Hansen/Lester and Crisp for Jones, and it fell apart. Not sure the Sox were wise, but, given that the Beckett for Ramirez/Sanchez deal isn't looking too hot right now, perhaps erring on the side of caution was wise. What do the Sox fans here make of Boston's inactivity at the trade deadline? It is a little disappointing, given that the Yankees were able to significantly better themselves, but I agree with the organization's view of not sacrificing future years for this year. I am enjoying the Papelbon/Lester/Hanson/DelCarmen era thus far and there are several other highly touted prospects soon to come. It is a nice change of pace from the old regime, when we only got new talent from trades and free agency.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Aug 1, 2006 11:36:45 GMT -5
I guess for the same reason people take European club soccer seriously... lalalalala...come on...yankees payroll comin into the season was $195M, add Abreau @ 13.6 and lidle at 3.3, thats around $212 million! That's more than the blue jays, orioles, and devil rays COMBINED! $70 Million (or the entire padres, rangers, blue jays or twins) more than the red sox, and over $100 million over the mets, white sox, and angels. The yankees can't be anyone's rival...it's a joke! How can anyone take baseball seriously? Now how about Carols Beltran...3 Grand Slams in July!
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Post by HoyaOnBothSides on Aug 1, 2006 12:54:04 GMT -5
Re: Borat but completely off topic...I recently saw a screening of the Borat movie.
Let's just say a) there's some scenes (at least one, long, nudity-filled, amazing yet utterly revolting scene) that i'm certain you'll have to wait for the unrated dvd to see b) hardest i've laughed in a movie theater in a long time
I could go on...but don't want to ruin it for anyone..
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Aug 1, 2006 13:34:37 GMT -5
I'm going to enjoy the hell out of last night's latest Papi heroics, but as soon as the Sox post back-to-back losses, or lose the tenuous division lead, I'll be ready to snap at Theo and Co for not picking up a new outfielder/starter/long reliever/etc.
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Post by Cambridge on Aug 2, 2006 10:20:57 GMT -5
I'm back.
Borat -- Very disappointed we didn't pull off a big trade, but simultaneously perversely relieved. No matter how you slice it, for some reason, our trades (especially the reactionary ones) tend to blow up in our faces. Basically, I was sitting here going "No Whammy! No Whammy!" only to be disappointed by the anticlimactic end. Some thoughts:
1) Given up Hansen and Delcarmen would have been fine in my opinion...even Crisp. As much as I like those two young guns and enjoy having a ridiculous name in my outfield, I think that deal would have been a no brainer.
2) However, when you put Lester in the mix, it gets way more difficult. Lester is definitely the most naturally talented of all our young pitchers (and yes, I'm including Paps in that list) and definitely has the most electric stuff. I'll put it this way, Lester may never become the ace I think he can be when I watch him pitch, but I'll guarantee that if we had traded him away with Hansen and Crisp...he would become another Danny Haren within a season and a 20 game winner within two to three years. That would be unbearable. So I say, good move to stand pat and keep Lester in the fold.
3) I went into this season with the understanding that it was a reloading year and that that was the mindset of the team. However, the defensive play, surprisingly sharp pitching from #1 and #2 and the timely hitting of Mssr. Ortiz have put us in an unexpected position. I guess, while a little miffed, I'm also slightly proud of the front office for not changing positions at the deadline. I know that in the past, that front office would have gone into a frenzied tizzy of poorly reasoned trades to try and match a masterful Cashman double stroke. In the past we probably would have somehow ended up with some combination of Frank Thomas, Paul Byrd, Timmy Hudson and Rocco Baldelli's knees. Miserable.
4) It'll hurt not to make the playoffs. Definitely gotten used to it. Spoiled even. But, I'm not convinced that neither the Tigers nor the White Sox will implode down the stretch. Let's just say that young arms have a tendency to collapse late in a season...and yes, I'm looking at you Detroit. The White Sox pitching has been less than stellar, not bad, but not top notch. The Twins look hot and could knock one of those teams out and inadvertently allow us to slip into the wild card spot.
5) I will be livid for a long time if we: a) turn around in the offseason and trade off those players for chump change, b) those players never pan out anyways (very very very likely), b) this is the start of a pattern and not a one time deal -- basically I mean, Theo and the boys get one free pass, they have used it and I ain't accepting it next year
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Aug 4, 2006 15:41:55 GMT -5
I hate the Yankees but I'm kind of intrigued come September when they get everyone back just to see exactly what this lineup can do. I assume it will be:
Damon CF Jeter SS Abreu RF Rodriguez 3B Sheffield DH Giambi 1B Matsui LF Cano 2B Posada C
Is that right? It just goes off the rails at 7-8-9. In 2000 I think the Yankees had the "and Luis Sojo" lineup. I guess this one is "and Jorge Posada" which is even worse. I can't imagine any of the current pitching staffs in the AL even coming close to stopping this team in a series.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Aug 4, 2006 15:47:37 GMT -5
I hate the Yankees but I'm kind of intrigued come September when they get everyone back just to see exactly what this lineup can do. I assume it will be: Damon CF Jeter SS Abreu RF Rodriguez 3B Sheffield DH Giambi 1B Matsui LF Cano 2B Posada C Is that right? It just goes off the rails at 7-8-9. In 2000 I think the Yankees had the "and Luis Sojo" lineup. I guess this one is "and Jorge Posada" which is even worse. I can't imagine any of the current pitching staffs in the AL even coming close to stopping this team in a series. I think Posada would bat 8th and Cano would bat 9th. At least that's what I've read, and it makes more sense because you'd ideally want a guy with decent speed in the 9 spot so he can do some damage on the basepaths when the lineup turns over. And Posada is far from a guy with decent speed .
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Post by RDF on Aug 17, 2006 14:58:43 GMT -5
I'll throw this out there now--will the Yankees win a game in weekend series? They are a very fragile team that anytime something doesn't go perfect, shows no signs of heart/guts. They lose games championship teams or caliber of champion win-like the White Sox games last week, and I really think their pitching is starting to slip--Wang has been awful his last two starts, Mussina is sabotaged by A-Rotten every game he pitches, and you have the bullpen overworked because of clowns like Jaret Wright--who I'm still wondering why he was signed in first place?
BTW--I don't care if the A-Rod lovers continue to bash me or Stat driven fans, but let me ask this; When is the last time the so called "Best Player In Game" or "One of Best of All Time" saw the guy in front of him walked so the other team could face him with RISP and less then one out? If that's not an honest assessment of the guy's ability and fact he's overrated as a player, I don't know what is--he's in his prime and people don't even hesitate to face him--not to mention his defense is so bad he should be embarrassed to the point of asking to take balls prior to games to work on his game. Not just once either--every night at the park he should get his butt out there. It's his job and he's not doing it.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Aug 17, 2006 15:25:57 GMT -5
I'd guess the Sox pull off 3 out of 5, leaving the Yanks up by 1/2 game on Monday night. The Yankees are fragile, but Boston hasn't been playing too much better lately, although they should start getting some players back soon from the DL (Foulke, Wakefield, and a little later, Nixon), which could set them up for a nice run at the end of the month.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Aug 17, 2006 16:47:35 GMT -5
Yanks win 3 of 5. Papelbon blows another save or 2, but Beckett gives up 7 runs and lowers his ERA. Moose beats Shill 3-2 on Sunday Night to my delight. A-Rod has an undistinguished series, but Melky and Abreu go wild.
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Post by RDF on Aug 18, 2006 22:10:43 GMT -5
Jeter has been Captain of SUCKAGE this week--his defense is getting more painful to watch too and I used to defend him but for glove's sake, can he get anything that isn't hit softy to him? He's now decided this week will be where he avoids making contact with the ball too--and as a huge Jeter fan, a huge THUMBS DOWN to his recent play.
As for A-Rotten--same old same old-if Sox can get this Game 2 lead a little bigger, I'm expecting a big, monsterous HR or hard hit double. Otherwise, pop-ups, hitting into DP's, or K's in crucial spots.
Always feel confident when you have Sydney Ponson scheduled to START a game--wow has the Yankee organization gone down the toilet in recent years.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Aug 19, 2006 0:42:16 GMT -5
Well Jeter redeemed himself for his recent slump with the biggest hit of the day (3 run double in the 7th), and had a big hand in turning what would have been a backbreaking loss after blowing a 5-1 lead into a huge win. Had a great Game 1 too, and I'm sure he'll take 4 for 12 with 3 runs and 4 RBIs in the doubleheader.
For all the talk that A-Rod would fall flat on his face again at Fenway, 4 for 10 (2 BBs), 3 RBIs and 3 runs for the doubleheader is pretty productive. Another error tonight, though (albeit a fielding error, which has been the lesser of his two fielding evils this year), which could have hurt if Mo didn't clamp down afterwards.
But the performance of the doubleheader was Damon... what a difference maker with his bat and a great catch in the 1st game. He was just en fuego the whole day. Think he wants this series and a chance to knock the BoSox out of the playoff race?
Ecstatic we swept today (did not think we'd win the 2nd game with Ponson pitching), and hoping RJ can clinch the series victory tomorrow. If Beckett doesn't go deep into the game, the Sox are essentially screwed for the rest of the series with their bullpen already extended way further than they anticipated.
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Post by RDF on Aug 19, 2006 2:04:12 GMT -5
Jeter did come up big with that hit. His fielding is still atrocious and only surpassed by the terrible fielding of A-Rotten. The guy is the most un-athletic man I've ever seen play that gets mentioned as "best player in the game". I mean he's not graceful or fluid in anything he does and to me it's painful to watch him in the field. I think he puts too much pressure on himself which makes you play "tight" because when he does let loose and fire a throw as he did early in game--he's more then capable, but when he's fielding a ball he jabs at--doesn't just gobble it up like a smooth player aka Crede of Chicago, or Rolen in St. Louis and when he's hitting, he appears to guess/swing all rigid/stiff as if he's not relaxed and playing the game he's always played/done well in--at least statistically speaking.
I'd throw in Melky Cabrera in the praise too--his AB turned Game 2 around. I LOVE watching him play and hope to NEVER see Sheffield play another game for Yankees. Seeing a guy who hustles/plays defense and still has good AB's is fun--not to mention he brings enthusiasm to the team/better chemistry. Sheffield is great for hitting foul balls that announcers brag about or showing pictures of 3B Coach lining up away so he doesn't get hit--but to me someone who produces all around to help a team is more important then a carnival act like Sheffield who gives away as many runs with his terrible defense as he drives in. Not to mention, the guy's a cancer on any team. Matsui? He's a good player but should switch to 1B on this team and leave Cabrera in LF--the defense is worth it alone.
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