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Post by laxboy on Mar 24, 2006 12:40:50 GMT -5
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 24, 2006 17:54:19 GMT -5
Wow. So, you think that could be a distraction, huh?
Duke isn't looking as good this year, but they still have most of the personel from last year when they were NCAA runner ups. It'll be a tough game, but if we win, we'll be pretty firmly planted in the top 5 nationally. Go Hoyas!
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Post by JimmyHoya on Mar 25, 2006 9:21:43 GMT -5
Duke's offense has yet to truly click during a game this year, for whatever reason. Let's hope it doesn't today either or this could be an awful, awful day for us.
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Post by hoya01 on Mar 25, 2006 12:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by laxboy on Mar 25, 2006 13:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 25, 2006 14:00:50 GMT -5
This is awful. I come to this board to check the lacrosse score and I find this. Unbelievable.
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Post by miamihoya on Mar 25, 2006 14:41:43 GMT -5
Wow...what a terrible story. hopefully they find the guys responsible soon, because its a shame that the whole team should have to forfeit its season if it was only a couple individuals. I was really looking forward to getting another oppurtunity to beat Duke at something this year, but I guess it ain't happening.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 25, 2006 15:18:26 GMT -5
This is a minor concern in comparison to the tragedy here, but I wonder if our team had to travel down to Durham. The timing of the forfeiture would indicate that they might have traveled.
If Duke players indeed participated in this heinous act, they should probably end their season. Sounds like the AD is buying time here so the police can investigate and another decision will likely come once he hears from the police.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Mar 25, 2006 15:25:14 GMT -5
Since the investigation is ongoing, they could easily keep playing until everything is wrapped up. Forfeiting the games is a stand-up thing to do, though, and I applaud that decision.
And yes, the team did travel to Durham.
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Post by HoyaTejano on Mar 25, 2006 16:48:09 GMT -5
This sounds horrific.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 25, 2006 23:22:00 GMT -5
sound really bad if true and sure sounds true awful for duke awful for sports.. go hoyas stay classy be smart
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Post by Saxa71 on Mar 26, 2006 16:37:21 GMT -5
According to one NC newspaper the party was held at the home of the LAX team captains. Not a good thing. As much as a number of us "hate" Duke, the adminsitrations response to this is what you would expect from a first class school like Duke. We all know a number of schools where this would have been swept under the carpet
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Post by laxboy on Mar 26, 2006 16:47:45 GMT -5
You cant be more wrong. This is very bad response by Duke because they only canceled the games and issued statements AFTER the press picked it up and protests started swirling on campus. Protesters showed up at the Duke stadium and then Duke canceled it realizing they couldnt escape the attention any more. Terrible by the Duke administration.
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Post by laxboy on Mar 26, 2006 16:48:44 GMT -5
Forgot to add that Duke knew about this 5 days before the press got it. Let the team practice and doled out no punishments. You may want to edit your post.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 26, 2006 16:52:06 GMT -5
More bad news from the situation: A demonstration in front of the house in question was met by heckling from nearby Duke students (URL is too large, see main link below.) Two other troubling stories, though unrelated, on the Chronicle web site: a professor's son was found dead across from campus, and a student was arrested for burgulary and assaulting a police officer. www.dukechronicle.com/
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 26, 2006 17:30:06 GMT -5
There's a racial aspect to this too, as the girls in question were black and were allegedly taunted with some seriously nasty stuff.
Duke is in full damage control mode at this point. This could well hit the national media and become a firestorm sort of thing very quickly. Overly entitled white athletes at a marquee university. Unfortunately, this could get worse before it gets better. But then, if multiple players did what they are accused of, they will deserve every bit of it.
I think the odds of Duke playing another game this season are pretty low. It sets up an interesting challenge for the NCAA committee on how to count those forfeits. And how about a team like Cornell who beat Duke before this went public (though after the incident, I believe) in their best win of the season? Georgetown should be on good NCAA footing with or without the Duke game getting any weight, but it will be interesting to see how it's dealt with from a sports perspective.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Mar 26, 2006 17:40:41 GMT -5
I'm not so sure this was a great response from the Duke admin, either. I'm not so sure letting the team practice is such a huge sin -- Duke had to investigate the problem before deciding what to do, so forfeiting the games was not necessarily purely a reaction to media attention. However, the program's temporary suspension, per the Duke press release, was due to a lacrosse team:
a) having a party
b) where there was drinking
c) and strippers
Now, if anyone thinks parties like this are in and of themselves evil enough to merit forfeiture of two games, they are largely unaware of what goes on on college campuses around the nation, including Georgetown. The Duke admin's reaction suggests that they found something truly terrible in their own investigation. Is this fair to to the accused students, who now look guilty as sin? Is is fair to the rest of the roster, many of whom probably did nothing illegal?
On a related note, does this hurt GU lax's season? We could have used a big win in Durham as we don't have many quality opponents left -- next week's Navy game is now huge.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 26, 2006 17:53:58 GMT -5
Just an horrible, horrible event and situation, and that is a massive understatement. I'll withhold more judgment than that until we see how this develops, but hopefully the people that committed these heinous deeds are brought to justice, which if guilty, should mean expulsion and some serious prison time.
I do have a problem with the response on both sides, though. It is deplorable that some Duke students heckled the protesters with "You can't yell like that" and "Come up here. You know you want it too." However, hopefully the protesters realize that these are the actions of a few individuals, not the whole team. I'm not sure why they would move to another house owned by lacrosse players, when they don't even know if those players were involved. Also, I found the following statement to be too extreme: "Some said the only adequate response was to expel every student at the party." That's just not the way to go about these things.
All you can hope for in a situation like this is that justice is served and those responsible are held responsible. For the sake of the victim, hopefully that will happen.
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Post by nychoya3 on Mar 26, 2006 18:24:45 GMT -5
Reading between the lines of the articles, there are obviously some town-gown issues bubbling up too. Durham is 43% black, and I'd wager heavily that most of the protesters in question are black as well. And, of course, Duke University is a rich, white school. Lots of racial and class tensions at play here, I suspect.
Austinhoya is of course correct that strippers and booze are not unheard when young men are in question. Not that I'd ever be seen with either one. But from the university's perspective, they have to try and control the damage and forestall a media feeding frenzy and taking strong action (even belatedly) is part of that. Moreover, they may feel that this really is a "team" issue because if the bad acts took place, many of the antendees would likely know the parties involved.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Mar 26, 2006 18:35:51 GMT -5
Moreover, they may feel that this really is a "team" issue because if the bad acts took place, many of the antendees would likely know the parties involved. That's a good point, nyc. And it's supported by this article, in which one victim says she and another woman were surrounded by 'dozens' of party-goers. www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/14189543.htmRe: town-gown relations, you can bet the police department and the DA (do they elect their DAs in NC?) are not going to let this go, in addition to the university. The article also reveals that the lax team will play its remaining games while "the legal process works out." By the way, I found the link on Drudge, so there's a good chance this story is well on its way to a 24-hour news network. On a related note, I would bet the students' attorneys will do whatever they can to get any trial out of Durham. I'm a bit rusty on civil procedure, but I think that shouldn't be too tough if the students are from say, New Jersey.
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