Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 7, 2005 12:21:52 GMT -5
if only he could see the floor...poor mcgoo ;D
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 7, 2005 12:24:32 GMT -5
i like pitino and he did a great job rebuilding that program after the ncaa violations. no coach has taken more advantage of the modern college game. but, calhoun built uconn up from nothing. the only thing uconn had going was that it was in the be. plus, calhoun consistently turns marginal high school talent into college stars. for those reasons, i give calhoun the nod.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 7, 2005 12:25:51 GMT -5
LOL. Too much. Thats too much. ;D
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 7, 2005 12:26:11 GMT -5
i like pitino and he did a great job rebuilding that program after the ncaa violations. no coach has taken more advantage of the modern college game. but, calhoun built uconn up from nothing. the only thing uconn had going was that it was in the be. plus, calhoun consistently turns marginal high school talent into college stars. for those reasons, i give calhoun the nod. one other plus for Calhoun: he can't stomach that blowhard Auriemma
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 7, 2005 12:29:49 GMT -5
that's the best reason. i can't stand geno either. listen, uconn has the best women's program in america and geno deserves credit. but, there's only a handful of elite college women teams so it's much easier to do than in the men's game. that will change over the next 10 years.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Jan 7, 2005 13:01:28 GMT -5
Hey Wilson, can't you say that about every coach. Who made the game saving block against Kansas in the championship game. Not Melo, but Hakim Warrick. Don't Forget McNamara. It wasn't like it was Melo and the Miracles, like Reggie and the Miracles of '87. Hey, I'm not saying Boheem is the greatest. But hey, cut the cry-baby some slack. The man can coach. Way, Boeheim's national championship team wasn't nearly as good as his 87 team. Or his teams of the early 80s. Or any team with Derrick Coleman on it. My point being that lady luck, in the form of Melo, showed up in 2003. While the other guys (Warrick and Mac) showed up big-time in the final, I don't think that team gets to the final without Melo. Given the talent Magoo's had over the years, he should have won 2 or 3 titles by now.....
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 7, 2005 13:28:24 GMT -5
That was really a case of a team getting hot at the right time. Boeheim does seem to do a better job with coaching teams that aren't as good as his best ones. He's definitely improved from the 80s, when he recruited real well but couldn't coach out of a paper bag, but he's overhyped in my opinion. Plus, he's from Syracuse, so screw 'im.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jan 7, 2005 13:28:59 GMT -5
Calhoun can coach and he may be active in the Hartford community, but the guy is as thin-skinned as they come. I posted on this before -- how a win against UConn was all I wanted for Christmas. The guy's tirade after Esh complimented the Pitt player a year ago as deserving of his vote for defensive POY, only to have Calhoun cry like a child about the perceived slight to Okafor and go on an absurd, extended rant on how Okafor was superior to Ewing, Zo and Deke. Come on. He's a clever enough guy and competitive to a fault. I don't know that he cheats, but the business about scheduling games against traveling squads to get them cash was a little shady and the NCAA addressed it. He has insinuated time and again that GU is a hasbeen. It irks me (I live in Fairfield County, CT), I admit it. I'd love to send him home in a snit. There would be a postgame conference not to be missed.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jan 7, 2005 13:31:32 GMT -5
SaxaCD, an old college dorm pal, represents my view of Boeheim and Syracuse perfectly.
Boeheim's recent successes are proof that old dogs can learn a little more. He's definitely better than he was 20 years ago. It's a scandal that he didn't do better with the teams he had in the 80s.
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Post by Whoya on Jan 7, 2005 13:41:10 GMT -5
Calhoun can coach and he may be active in the Hartford community, but the guy is as thin-skinned as they come. I posted on this before -- how a win against UConn was all I wanted for Christmas. The guy's tirade after Esh complimented the Pitt player a year ago as deserving of his vote for defensive POY, only to have Calhoun cry like a child about the perceived slight to Okafor and go on an absurd, extended rant on how Okafor was superior to Ewing, Zo and Deke. Come on. He's a clever enough guy and competitive to a fault. I don't know that he cheats, but the business about scheduling games against traveling squads to get them cash was a little shady and the NCAA addressed it. He has insinuated time and again that GU is a hasbeen. It irks me (I live in Fairfield County, CT), I admit it. I'd love to send him home in a snit. There would be a postgame conference not to be missed. I agree that Calhoun's a bit of a baby, but the original debate (though it may have morphed, as they often do here!) was who was the better coach. I find Calhoun irritating, no doubt, but he is a superior coach to Magoo. Also being in southern CT, I would love to see them sent back up to Storrs moping all the way.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jan 7, 2005 13:44:59 GMT -5
Whoya, as irritating as I find Calhoun, I agree that he's the superior coach to Boeheim.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 7, 2005 13:58:01 GMT -5
One oft-overlooked aspect of Boeheim's resume is that he is among an elite group of college coaches who have earned NCAA probation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2005 14:03:52 GMT -5
Now that's something to be proud of. Boeheim stinks. Syracuse stinks. If I weren't afraid of a chiding from FrostbackHoya, I'd tell them all to go back to Canada..... ;D
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Post by Boz on Jan 7, 2005 14:13:32 GMT -5
One oft-overlooked aspect of Boeheim's resume is that he is among an elite group of college coaches who have earned NCAA probation. And in my opinion, got off light. A number of my cousins went to Syracuse during the 80s and they are big Syracuse fans. But they also had a lot of stories to tell, and many of them had to do with things like drugs and cars. Obviously, you never know how much truth there is to those kinds of things, but when it comes to Syracuse, I'm always happy to believe the worst. One story they told me I will always remember is how no one ever heard Rony Seikaly mention Boeheim by name when talking about him. He would always just call him, "The Idiot." Heck, I don't even care about the other stuff. THAT one I REALLY want to believe. That's too funny not to be true.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 7, 2005 14:36:43 GMT -5
Boeheim always reminds me of Woody Allen.
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Post by Whoya on Jan 7, 2005 14:56:47 GMT -5
One story they told me I will always remember is how no one ever heard Rony Seikaly mention Boeheim by name when talking about him. He would always just call him, "The Idiot." Heck, I don't even care about the other stuff. THAT one I REALLY want to believe. That's too funny not to be true. That's the first thing I have ever heard that I like about Seikaly. Well, that... and his wife.
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 7, 2005 15:03:01 GMT -5
i met seikaly years ago when he was drafted by the heat. cool guy. jeez, he was tall. i remember when his uncle was kidnapped and yet he kept playing ball at su.
the seikaly-coleman-sherman teams should have pulled at least one title.
thankfully, his wife survived the tsunami.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 7, 2005 21:28:37 GMT -5
thnkas for followup agreement and jimmy b. the whiner and also the comment about calhouns support of the el amin family jt two just offered and education a georgetown education thats all why would anyone thats anyone want to go to college in storrs conn im from conn my father and brother went to uconn why to conn its funny folks go hoyasjeff please come out and welcome rudy gay home and hibbs make your body big and use glue sqeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzze that ball and youll do fine go hoyas beat those dang huskies please win one for me so i can shut up excuse me silence my relatives and my wifes relatives in coonnnnnnnnn
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 10, 2005 13:46:46 GMT -5
that's the best reason. i can't stand geno either. listen, uconn has the best women's program in america and geno deserves credit. but, there's only a handful of elite college women teams so it's much easier to do than in the men's game. that will change over the next 10 years. It's changing now. UConn is down this year, relatively speaking. I remember being surprised last year reading articles on Geno and Calhoun's relationship. Look out for Rutgers. Go Pokey Chatman and LSU!!!
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