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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 18, 2007 21:42:28 GMT -5
I agree with 007 except for the georgetown exception. it's ok to root for georgetown if you go to another school. the opposite does not hold true. I'm sorry i don't make the rules.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Dec 18, 2007 21:50:21 GMT -5
If you decided to attend another school that has a major basketball program I would think that you should be a fan of that school. I don't expect people to hate teams they grew up cheering for. I mean, if you see them on tv playing against some random team its completely natural to pull for them. But the team 1A and team 1B thing doesnt work for me, especially when they are so likely to be playing each other often. What happens when they play? Well, I'm rooting for my #1 team, but if they happen to lose at least my #2 team will benefit from it, so Im not that upset. I feel like extreme devotion is necessary in sports, you have to go all in when you're supporting your favorite team and can't leave any doubt of who you are rooting for. When you have two teams, no matter how much you are rooting for your top team, feelings for that other team are in there somewhere dividing your allegiance to a certain extent, no matter how minor it is. Call me crazy, but thats just one man's opinion. I grew up rooting for UNC No. 1 and Georgetown No. 2, the schools my parents attended. Why I chose to make UNC my primary team I'm not quite sure, although it probably boils down to them having been good the year I started really liking college basketball. I believe it was 1997-98. I do, however, remember rooting for Georgetown against UMASS a couple seasons before. After I got into Georgetown, I kept an eye on the team and tried to start getting into the team, and when I got to Georgetown, I can honestly say that I nearly immediately stopped liking UNC altogether. I'm not sure exactly why, but it wasn't even difficult. I think the experience of rooting for a school you actually go to is on an entirely different level than rooting for one that you've visited twice in your life. Rooting for Carolina was fun, but there was never a sense of pride like there is in rooting for your own school. I cannot tell you how badly I wanted to beat UNC last March. Nowhere in the back of my mind were any lingering thoughts about rooting for the Heels or wanting to see them succeed. I really kinda dislike them now, for whatever reason. Others that I know have not been so quick to banish their childhood teams. For me though, I don't think its possible to fully invest yourself in Georgetown, which is what I intended to do, without totally cutting ties. And I agree with 007, it really bugs me when Georgetown students talk about having team 1B.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 18, 2007 21:50:33 GMT -5
I agree with 007 except for the georgetown exception. it's ok to root for georgetown if you go to another school. the opposite does not hold true. I'm sorry i don't make the rules. haha, nice attempt at a loophole hsb. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, Im just saying this is how I feel. I don't know how you can go to a school and be a part of that commmunity and then disrespect it by not fully supporting it. Obviously its much harder when you've been rooting for a certain team your whole life, but I still stand by my opinion.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 18, 2007 21:56:59 GMT -5
Taking HSB's point farther, everyone should just root for Georgetown.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 18, 2007 21:57:51 GMT -5
If you decided to attend another school that has a major basketball program I would think that you should be a fan of that school. I don't expect people to hate teams they grew up cheering for. I mean, if you see them on tv playing against some random team its completely natural to pull for them. But the team 1A and team 1B thing doesnt work for me, especially when they are so likely to be playing each other often. What happens when they play? Well, I'm rooting for my #1 team, but if they happen to lose at least my #2 team will benefit from it, so Im not that upset. I feel like extreme devotion is necessary in sports, you have to go all in when you're supporting your favorite team and can't leave any doubt of who you are rooting for. When you have two teams, no matter how much you are rooting for your top team, feelings for that other team are in there somewhere dividing your allegiance to a certain extent, no matter how minor it is. Call me crazy, but thats just one man's opinion. I grew up rooting for UNC No. 1 and Georgetown No. 2, the schools my parents attended. Why I chose to make UNC my primary team I'm not quite sure, although it probably boils down to them having been good the year I started really liking college basketball. I believe it was 1997-98. I do, however, remember rooting for Georgetown against UMASS a couple seasons before. After I got into Georgetown, I kept an eye on the team and tried to start getting into the team, and when I got to Georgetown, I can honestly say that I nearly immediately stopped liking UNC altogether. I'm not sure exactly why, but it wasn't even difficult. I think the experience of rooting for a school you actually go to is on an entirely different level than rooting for one that you've visited twice in your life. Rooting for Carolina was fun, but there was never a sense of pride like there is in rooting for your own school. I cannot tell you how badly I wanted to beat UNC last March. Nowhere in the back of my mind were any lingering thoughts about rooting for the Heels or wanting to see them succeed. I really kinda dislike them now, for whatever reason. Others that I know have not been so quick to banish their childhood teams. For me though, I don't think its possible to fully invest yourself in Georgetown, which is what I intended to do, without totally cutting ties. And I agree with 007, it really bugs me when Georgetown students talk about having team 1B. Yeah, I agree with the points you just made. I just feel that to fully be a part of your university community and bond with those around you, you need to be completely invested in that schools athletics, provided they have major college sports teams that you can reasonably expect people to follow. I dont expect someone who goes to a D2 or D3 school to drop the D1 program they've been rooting for their whole life.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 19, 2007 0:41:13 GMT -5
Afalcon, the best way to resolve your disagreement with 007 is to reference Cincinnati at any opportune moment and remind everyone how much of a bearcat fan you are when Cinncinati is the topic of conversation. Works well for me and 007 hardly ever gives me any crap for it ;D
Back on topic, if anyone in the CUSA can give Memphis a game it might be Houston who beat up Kentucky tonight. I know that this UK team is pretty bad, but Houston was scoring well off of turnovers, collecting offensive boards and draining 3's. Perhaps any of our Memphis visitors who know more about this Houston team can comment more but it looks like the CUSA might be getting a second boost from them
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Post by afalcon10 on Dec 19, 2007 1:38:30 GMT -5
But if the school means so much to you, you should have just gone there. It's not like UC is some huge state school that everyone has a cultural identity with simply because its such a big part of growing up in the state. What, are you also an Ohio State fan in football? Couple things here. First of all UC definitely has a cultural identity not on a statewide level but within the city of Cincinnati (shared with Xavier University to form one of the nations most heated rivalries). I hate Ohio State - maybe you'd be surprised to find that not everybody in Ohio is a Buckeye fan and in fact, most in Cincinnati cheer with the Bearcats and Musketeeers and root against the Buckeyes. Second of all, there's no way I would have passed up on the academic experience of Georgetown simply because I grew up liking UC's basketball program that is preposterous. In fact, I didn't even apply to UC since it's academics are nowhere near the calibur of the top 25 research university Georgetown is. If your college decision making comes down to how much you like the college basketball team, you have some serious issues as it sounds like some may have... Also, I never said UC was 1B to Georgetown being 1A - that would you be you, James Bond, putting words in my mouth. Rather I said Georgetown was #1 and UC (my former #1) is now #2. I always root for Georgetown, period. If Georgetown and UC are playing, there is no question where my loyalties lie. In all other UC games, I root for my hometown Bearcats who I dearly love just nowhere near as much as I bleed Hoya Blue. The two teams are nowhere near traditional rivals, not even close and yes they play each other every year most commonly once , rarely twice, and once in a blue moon they may play each other 3 times. Not really a big deal, I'll root for Georgetown no matter the circumstances. Say Georgetown has locked up a #1 seed and UC needs the marquee win to get off the bubble... Still Rooting for my Hoyas .There's just no give, period. Yet you somehow seem to think that me rooting for the team I grew up cheering for when Georgetown's interests are nowhere near relevant somehow makes me... less of a Hoya? Lastly, I'd just like to raise a question. If a fan is able to completely shut off his devotion, his undying loyalty to a team he cheered on for 18 years of his life with all his soul to begin rooting for another team on demand, like a light switch - then how good of a fan was he in the first place? How good, how loyal, and how committed of a fan will be for his new team? The Cincinnati Bearcats will always have a place in my heart. Below the Georgetown Hoyas.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 19, 2007 2:31:33 GMT -5
I feel like we've had this discussion before.
I get annoyed by Georgetown people who are also diehard fans of other schools, especially Big East schools, big state schools, and Duke. But as long as Georgetown is your #1, I could care less who else you root for. I grew up a big Stanford fan, and like Cincy for afalcon, they will always have a place in my heart. Luckily for me, Georgetown and Stanford aren't in the same conference and have only played each other once in their histories in men's basketball (although I'd really love to see them play each other at some point in the future). But for me, as probably for most who post on this board, it's Georgetown #1, and light years down below on the ladder, it's #2 Stanford.
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Post by HoyaChris on Dec 19, 2007 8:30:35 GMT -5
As for me I have two favorite teams:
1.) The Hoyas
2.) Whoever is playing Syracuse.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 19, 2007 9:40:51 GMT -5
Afalcon, the best way to resolve your disagreement with 007 is to reference Cincinnati at any opportune moment and remind everyone how much of a bearcat fan you are when Cinncinati is the topic of conversation. Works well for me and 007 hardly ever gives me any crap for it ;D Back on topic, if anyone in the CUSA can give Memphis a game it might be Houston who beat up Kentucky tonight. I know that this UK team is pretty bad, but Houston was scoring well off of turnovers, collecting offensive boards and draining 3's. Perhaps any of our Memphis visitors who know more about this Houston team can comment more but it looks like the CUSA might be getting a second boost from them The key is, when you go to a HB game watch as a freshman who grew up rooting for Oregon and still figuring out your identity, do not wear an Oregon hat, along with your WAG shirt, or 007 won't let you have any chips and queso. It won't matter if you are rooting for Gtown. NO QUESO!!!!
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Post by dajuan on Dec 19, 2007 10:07:28 GMT -5
I grew up rooting for UNC No. 1 and Georgetown No. 2, the schools my parents attended. Why I chose to make UNC my primary team I'm not quite sure, although it probably boils down to them having been good the year I started really liking college basketball. I believe it was 1997-98. I do, however, remember rooting for Georgetown against UMASS a couple seasons before. After I got into Georgetown, I kept an eye on the team and tried to start getting into the team, and when I got to Georgetown, I can honestly say that I nearly immediately stopped liking UNC altogether. I'm not sure exactly why, but it wasn't even difficult. I think the experience of rooting for a school you actually go to is on an entirely different level than rooting for one that you've visited twice in your life. Rooting for Carolina was fun, but there was never a sense of pride like there is in rooting for your own school. I cannot tell you how badly I wanted to beat UNC last March. Nowhere in the back of my mind were any lingering thoughts about rooting for the Heels or wanting to see them succeed. I really kinda dislike them now, for whatever reason. Others that I know have not been so quick to banish their childhood teams. For me though, I don't think its possible to fully invest yourself in Georgetown, which is what I intended to do, without totally cutting ties. And I agree with 007, it really bugs me when Georgetown students talk about having team 1B. I'm the same way with Notre Dame football. I grew up in the Chicago area and Notre Dame was always my team. I went to some games and always watched them on TV. I remember being heart-broken when BC beat them the first time. But when I got to Georgetown I stopped liking Notre Dame football because the Hoyas play in the BE against ND basketball. I have to say that I relish in the current demise of Notre Dame football, but it's strange for me to look back on my feelings for ND.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 19, 2007 10:21:20 GMT -5
If you decided to attend another school that has a major basketball program I would think that you should be a fan of that school. I don't expect people to hate teams they grew up cheering for. I mean, if you see them on tv playing against some random team its completely natural to pull for them. But the team 1A and team 1B thing doesnt work for me, especially when they are so likely to be playing each other often. What happens when they play? Well, I'm rooting for my #1 team, but if they happen to lose at least my #2 team will benefit from it, so Im not that upset. I feel like extreme devotion is necessary in sports, you have to go all in when you're supporting your favorite team and can't leave any doubt of who you are rooting for. When you have two teams, no matter how much you are rooting for your top team, feelings for that other team are in there somewhere dividing your allegiance to a certain extent, no matter how minor it is. Call me crazy, but thats just one man's opinion. You're crazy. No, not really, but I think it's totally acceptable to have one favorite team, and then another team (or two or three) that you don't follow nearly as closely. I grew up as a providence fan, and I still like to see the Friars do well (outside of their games against us). Now that said, a Providence win over the Hoyas would never feel like a consolation prize-- more like a stake in the heart. But with teams like a Providence, or a Cincy, there's not a whole lot of chance (lately at least) that they're competing with the Hoyas for seeding in the NCAA's or ranking within the conference, so outside of head-to-head games, there's almost never a conflict. Just to be clear, Syracuse is 100% outside the realm of this conversation, and I'd have a hard time justifying Nova, UConn or N.D. fandom as well.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 19, 2007 10:42:02 GMT -5
people there's an easy way to resolve this just grow up a hoya fan, attend georgetown and remain a hoya fan. worked for me. I suggest you train your kids to be georgetown kids from the begining and we won't have this problem in the future.
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Post by dajuan on Dec 19, 2007 10:54:00 GMT -5
people there's an easy way to resolve this just grow up a hoya fan, attend georgetown and remain a hoya fan. worked for me. I suggest you train your kids to be georgetown kids from the begining and we won't have this problem in the future. I want to create the handle "HoyaSinceBerth" and say that I've been a Hoya fan ever since their 2006 NCAA Tournament berth.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Dec 19, 2007 10:56:59 GMT -5
people there's an easy way to resolve this just grow up a hoya fan, attend georgetown and remain a hoya fan. worked for me. I suggest you train your kids to be georgetown kids from the begining and we won't have this problem in the future. I want to create the handle "HoyaSinceBerth" and say that I've been a Hoya fan ever since their 2006 NCAA Tournament berth. Oh boy, here we go...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2007 11:00:14 GMT -5
Not to delve into 2007's comments too much, but my problem with falcon's post revealing his love for all things Bearcat is that he referred to Georgetown as "GT" and not "GU". This is an unacceptable mistake anyone calling him/herself a Georgetown fan should be ashamed to make.
I don't care what CBS or ESPN do (although CBS usually goes with the "GTOWN" label in the score ticker), if you claim to be a Hoya fan it always has been and always will be "GU". "GT" is some dinky school in the ACC.
Jerk.
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Post by afalcon10 on Dec 19, 2007 11:20:08 GMT -5
yah couple things again. First - the only reason why this is acceptable is because UC is nowhere near a traditional rival to our hoyas. Same argument doesn't work for nova, pitt, uconn and esp cuse for obvious reasons. And though UC is a big east school - it barely is if you understand my drift though i know somebody is going to start yelling they are all big east schools! but you understand what im saying. They're the new order of big east schools who, when faced against the traditional cornerstones, don't produce quite the same amount of emotion as a Cuse GU game.
Also I do see my GT usage in an earlier post and i do not know what i was thinking. It was, most likely, during my all nighter or the day after so I ask you for my forgiveness. Finals week man - games not 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2007 11:28:45 GMT -5
Who gets to make these rules? My father and about 10 other relatives went to Villanova, so I was raised to hate Georgetown. And then I decided to go to Georgetown. But that doesn't mean I hate Villanova now. It makes dad happy when Nova wins, so it makes me happy. Until we play each other - then we get cutthroat, and remind each other regularly of who has bragging rights. I also grew up in Maryland, so I had an affinity for the Terps. But that's deader than dead at this point. These things evolve over time.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 19, 2007 12:58:15 GMT -5
There are definitely some good points made in this thread. Like I said, I don't expect people to all of a sudden hate a team they grew up following, so as long as Georgetown is clearly your number 1 team at all times its not a problem.
I'm probably also extra sensitive about this issue because during my freshman year when we were horrible, it seemed like everyone who had grown up a fan of another team was still following them wholeheartedly and most of these people didnt even care about going to our games or following the team simply because we were so bad. And that really Editeded me off.
Also, TBird is right about the queso.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 19, 2007 13:16:35 GMT -5
Cam - same childhood experience as you re Terps. My mom was/is a professor at UMCP and i grew up during the glory days of Joe Smith, Keith Booth and my man Exree Hipp. I loved the Terps and was indifferent to the Hoyas.
Then I came to Georgetown and my affinity for my childhood cbb team was DOA. I now actively despise the Terps and everything Sweaty McChickenwing stands for...I hate their players, I hate their mascot, i hate their trainers. I hate lamborghinis now too.
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