commentary on roy

[jld54]

We should remember that this is college BB. Most true college players have flaws in their game. If Roy did not he would be 100% NBA ready and would not be on the team this year. Roy has areas to work on and they have all been identified. Whats sets college BB apart from the pros is how a good coach/program can improve a player's weaker areas and integrate him into a scheme where strengths are stressed and weaknesses are covered.
So yes RH has some flaws but he wouldn't be representing our schoool as an amateur studnt-athlete if he didn't.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I also hate it when the anouncers were like he's only gotten 2 shot attempts this first half. That clearly wasn't true he got the ball more than that, he just got fouled and didn't make the shot, so it didn't count as an attempt. That's a lot different then not getting the ball. So misleading.

[hoyafoeva]

mrsixer123 said:

"nba scouts have to take notice hoy roy can not finish strong around the rim in traffic"

A direct quote from the game analyst!

Oh I know, roy iis not up for bama so he is playing soft yet again

I guess you didn't hear the analyst saying Roy is not getting the ball inside from the guards time and time again...thats what the analyst basically were saying the whiole game...now whomever the other analyst was is only basing his assessment on one game, and one game once again Roy does not get the ball, but still got Player of the Game. Folks keep bashing and bashing Roy when its a team effort and we are very successful and 6-0 "early" in the season.

[hoyafoeva]

beantownhoya2 said:

Excellent point Mr. Sixer.

I have also had to hear about "free throw offense" about 10 times this game. He is doing a great job as an analyst. Either way as long as analyst says it, well it must be true.

just because an analyst says something doesn't mean it's true. If Roys teammates get him the ball "exactly" when he's suppose to have it we would not, I repeat "would not" be having this discussion

[hoyafoeva]

mrsixer123 said:

Keep the blinders on all you want, roy is playing soft as cotton. Period

6-0 Player of the Game

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jld54 said:

We should remember that this is college BB. Most true college players have flaws in their game. If Roy did not he would be 100% NBA ready and would not be on the team this year. Roy has areas to work on and they have all been identified. Whats sets college BB apart from the pros is how a good coach/program can improve a player's weaker areas and integrate him into a scheme where strengths are stressed and weaknesses are covered.
So yes RH has some flaws but he wouldn't be representing our schoool as an amateur studnt-athlete if he didn't.

Thank you sir

[hoyafoeva]

massholya said:

roy has a very high center of gravity and often gets pushed out by stronger players. He really needs to work on his lower body strength.

Okay, when Roy is in position even on the break is he getting the ball inside, no...the anaylst said the whole game on national TV

[hoyafoeva]

Roy Hibbert= 6-0 as team = All-American = Player of the Game

I think coach needs to tell his team this: As Jim Larranga said to his guards and team during a timeout, "he said, let me introduce you to Will Thomas. He's a pretty player. He's your teammate. Throw him the dang ball, Larranga said".

When you don't go inside, out the guards have a tendency to think they can do it all and start all that unnecessary dribbling and make bad passes and that creates those a lot of turnovers (20) for GMU.

[williambraskyiii]

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[HoyaSinceBirth]

well i mean if you just register with a new screenname and email address what can the admin's do to stop it.

[njcoach]

Hibbert isn't soft, he just doesn't have the explosiveness to get off the floor quickly and powerfully like some great Hoya centers of the past or, say, an Oden. We'd all love to see that but it's just not part of his physical makeup. I thought the analyst's comment about that was actually fair, but I couldn't care less about NBA scouts and their opinions.

Hibbert is very effective in so many ways. He can score, rebound and defend. He is a very big problem for opponents. But he is what he is. He will be playing basketball for a very long time.

[biggmanu]

ROY I LOVE THE BABY HOOK...BUT SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOT TO SHUT UP AND JAM!!!!

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hoyafoeva said:

beantownhoya2 said:

Excellent point Mr. Sixer.

I have also had to hear about "free throw offense" about 10 times this game. He is doing a great job as an analyst. Either way as long as analyst says it, well it must be true.

just because an analyst says something doesn't mean it's true. If Roys teammates get him the ball "exactly" when he's suppose to have it we would not, I repeat "would not" be having this discussion

I believe he was using the rhetorical tool known as sarcasm.

[RDF]

I actually saw improvement from Roy--in past when things weren't going his way--he'd often not be as assertive/aggressive in other areas-and I thought his defense was much better in 2nd Half--especially down the stretch where he altered/forced tough shots, and he made the plays offensively. I'd like to see him remind his teammates to get him the ball--not to shoot all of the time--but to facilitate the offense--inside out/gets ball moving, and one thing we KNOW about Roy Hibbert--come Big East/BET/NCAA time--he's going to be ready to play-and in case of NCAA's--he SHINES--so it's about building the team's chemistry and development and more that happens now--easier it'll be for Roy down the road.

He's NEVER going to be a great rebounder if ball is out of his area--he's not a dominant athlete--so he's not going to sky over people or leave his area to corral a lot of rebounds--he uses his length well-unlike what Jimmy Dykes said--Roy will use his length to rebound quite well--he just doesn't have the explosion in his legs. He's also 20 years old--which Jimmy Dykes did a great job of pointing out--and most ignore. He's going to be a fine player and he's doing just fine right now--and I'm going to say he's going to be outstanding come Big East season due to the team having better feel for which rotations work best, roles developing, etc...

[Boz]

I, for one, am glad we don't run the "Mike Sweetney" offense anymore.

I thought Roy played a great game last night. He didn't get a lot of shots, but he did get a lot of touches. And when he draws attention, the rest of the team does well. All of the outside shots are not falling right now, but I think that will get better.

Sure, he needs to get the ball in good position on a consistent basis. Somehow, I just don't think that is going to be a problem this year.

(also, I for one am hoping that JTIII is not, in fact, taking coaching hints from Jim Larranaga - at least not hints on how to motivate his players).

As for Roy's energy level, well, there's good and bad with that. Roy is not going to be Pat Ewing or Juwanna Noah. That's not his personality, that's not his style of play. Can he be more aggressive? Sure, some. But at some point, you need to recognize the player for who he is and not keep asking him to be someone else.

There is good and bad to that. It's bad when he gets trapped underneath and isn't aggressive enough to fight over everyone and dunk.

On the other hand, in most of those situations, because he is a calm and collected player, he finds something good to do with the ball.

To wit, I'm not sure too many "energy" players would have tapped a ball going out of bounds back to Wallace for a follow up jump shot attempt, or, when receiving a pass at their feet, would have the presence to know that they couldn't go straight up from there and instead decide to kick it out to Jesse Sapp for a wide-open three pointer. These are good things, yes?

There is some room for him to be more aggressive, I'll agree, but he is not going to turn into Michael Graham. He is who he is, and I'm pretty glad for it.

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massholya said:

roy has a very high center of gravity and often gets pushed out by stronger players. He really needs to work on his lower body strength.

Roy gets pushed and he pushes back, dang what do you want. Player of the Game Roy Hibbert

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hoyasincebirth said:

well i mean if you just register with a new screenname and email address what can the admin's do to stop it.

Just stay on the topic, this is no place for any negative or derogatory comments sir. Thank you!

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hoyasincebirth said:

I also hate it when the anouncers were like he's only gotten 2 shot attempts this first half. That clearly wasn't true he got the ball more than that, he just got fouled and didn't make the shot, so it didn't count as an attempt. That's a lot different then not getting the ball. So misleading.

I listened to the whole game and all the announcers were saying the "whole game" is Roy is not getting the touches, the guards kept passing him up. It hasn't sunk in completely that Roy is gonna carry us to the promise land. Certain players are thinking Roy is not capable of leading, they are, and they're wrong. Once again here's Jim Larranga's comments in the Washingtonpost today from last nights game GMU vs. Hampton

I think it would be a good idea for us to say this: "We had 20 turnovers and tied a game season high and they had trouble getting the ball to leading scorer Will Thomas in the low post. During a timeout, "I said, let me introduce you to Will Thomas. He's a pretty good player. He's your teammate. Throw him the "dang" ball, Larranga said".

[hoopsmccan]

Eighties - I saw on another thread that you posted a quote by Larranga. Could you post that again, it was great.

hm

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boz1 said:

I, for one, am glad we don't run the "Mike Sweetney" offense anymore.

I thought Roy played a great game last night. He didn't get a lot of shots, but he did get a lot of touches. And when he draws attention, the rest of the team does well. All of the outside shots are not falling right now, but I think that will get better.

Sure, he needs to get the ball in good position on a consistent basis. Somehow, I just don't think that is going to be a problem this year.

(also, I for one am hoping that JTIII is not, in fact, taking coaching hints from Jim Larranaga - at least not hints on how to motivate his players).

As for Roy's energy level, well, there's good and bad with that. Roy is not going to be Pat Ewing or Juwanna Noah. That's not his personality, that's not his style of play. Can he be more aggressive? Sure, some. But at some point, you need to recognize the player for who he is and not keep asking him to be someone else.

There is good and bad to that. It's bad when he gets trapped underneath and isn't aggressive enough to fight over everyone and dunk.

On the other hand, in most of those situations, because he is a calm and collected player, he finds something good to do with the ball.

To wit, I'm not sure too many "energy" players would have tapped a ball going out of bounds back to Wallace for a follow up jump shot attempt, or, when receiving a pass at their feet, would have the presence to know that they couldn't go straight up from there and instead decide to kick it out to Jesse Sapp for a wide-open three pointer. These are good things, yes?

There is some room for him to be more aggressive, I'll agree, but he is not going to turn into Michael Graham. He is who he is, and I'm pretty glad for it.

Has nothing to do with coaching hints, it's a "fact" and great statement on behalf for coach Larranga to catch this and let his team know who the big dog is and give him the ball. When you have a lot of turnovers (jessie and jwalls) it simply means, for one you're not being agressive as guards in going to the hole, two means your not playing smart basketball and going inside, out. Roy "did not" get a lot of touches. If he did he would scored like 30 plus easily by getting more fouls and dropping in two. Everytime Roy touched the ball in the post something good happened, he either got fouled or made the basket or gave a great assist. Telling your players to past the ball inside doesn't mean to motivate his players. whoa on that one...lol...how can you be aggressive enough with three to four grabbing your jersey, knocking you around. If the guards threw the ball "up" in the post you would see something as you almost did yesterday. I know who Roy is. I've coached against Roy when he was 13, 14 years old. I've watched him develop up until now, so please stay off of that one. Your bashing Roy then you not bashing him, which one is it. Damn if he does, and damn he don't. lmao...Roy is a beast. Let the guards "consistently" give him the ball and watch and see. If Roy doesn't get the ball "consistently" how can you say these things? hmmm