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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Dec 10, 2012 23:24:48 GMT -5
According to this, Georgetown took part in a meeting today with the other Catholic schools to discuss breaking away from the Big East. Decision to be reached in six months: ajerseyguy.com/
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Dec 10, 2012 23:30:59 GMT -5
According to Pete Thamel, who is sometimes one-sided but rarely totally wrong, the meeting was not a secret one and the commissioner was there to discuss future plans with the basketball squads.
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Post by hoyaback on Dec 11, 2012 2:26:10 GMT -5
If this article is accurate, then the 6 month window indicates the entrance of the rest of the schools has some bearing. Could the bball schools vote to drop the exit fee to zero and then break off? (of course it could just be a nice round number that gives aresco a chance to wind up his tv negotiations).
Also if a mirror home and away among the bball schools was being offered as incentive to stay, that sounds pretty similar to a special mini conference within the conference. Given how bad some of the bball only schools are i dont see how it helps gtown a lick.
Also, George Mason? Really?
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Post by gujake on Dec 11, 2012 3:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 11, 2012 4:40:32 GMT -5
From a reliable source (hopefully more reliable than the Nerlens source : The catholic schools are seriously considering splitting. While maintaining the Big East brand as their own. In addition, they would like to add St Louis, Xavier, Dayton, Butler and VCU. But the kicker I found interesting was that they believe they can also add Cinci, Uconn, Temple, and Memphis, rendering the current Big East football members to a football only conference which many believe would be better anyway. Ultimately the New Big East would have 16 members in all sports (minus football of course). They would keep MSG for conference tourney. Would have markets in NY, Chicago, DC, Philly, among others. And would be a competitive top 5 basketball conference that also allows for other sports to keep a more regional schedule. In addition, ESPN has hinted that they would be willing to pay somewhere in the range of 20-25 million for this arrangement, which would be similar to any deal that they would get by remaining in the current set up. Found it all interesting. Thought Id share....
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 11, 2012 4:54:48 GMT -5
From a reliable source (hopefully more reliable than the Nerlens source : The catholic schools are seriously considering splitting. While maintaining the Big East brand as their own. In addition, they would like to add St Louis, Xavier, Dayton, Butler and VCU. But the kicker I found interesting was that they believe they can also add Cinci, Uconn, Temple, and Memphis, rendering the current Big East football members to a football only conference which many believe would be better anyway. Ultimately the New Big East would have 16 members in all sports (minus football of course). They would keep MSG for conference tourney. Would have markets in NY, Chicago, DC, Philly, among others. And would be a competitive top 5 basketball conference that also allows for other sports to keep a more regional schedule. In addition, ESPN has hinted that they would be willing to pay somewhere in the range of 20-25 million for this arrangement, which would be similar to any deal that they would get by remaining in the current set up. Found it all interesting. Thought Id share.... Interesting, but we'll see if this leads anywhere... still a long way to go. Still not quite sure how the football component of this would work out... would Houston, SMU, UCF, Tulane, etc. still be joining, along with their basketball teams? And then possibly add more basketball schools? Wouldn't that end up being like 24 teams? We can't really uninvite someone to the conference, right? My head hurts, as it usually does when I think about conference realignment.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 11, 2012 8:10:23 GMT -5
All this is consistent with what has been an increasingly open topic here in SoCal for weeks. Barring a miraculous change in the conference realignment pattern or an unbelievable television contract, the issue for SDSU (and almost certainly BSU) is not whether but when and how they bolt the BE. Neither team intended to join this BE. Neither wants to pay a penalty to leave. Neither is interested in a legal challenge at this time. Both have Administrations who have boxed themselves in by relying upon the conference make-up they thought would exist. Also been told that a recent major push to obtain BYU for the BE has failed, with that school not willing to limit its options at this time.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 11, 2012 8:25:49 GMT -5
Could the Catholic scheme keep the Big East's head above water long enough that it outlasts the impending ACC collapse and is able to lure Notre Dame back?
It almost seems like there should be a way to admit the most desirable non-football programs we can and create some kind of quasi-independent/loose confederation/scheduling alliance of the schools who field football programs.
I don't see any huge upside to prematurely chasing schools like UConn, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis away....
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 11, 2012 8:33:40 GMT -5
This is the most significant and positive Hoya hoops development since the 2006-07 Final Four appearance.
Quite simply, a move like this will secure a stable economic future for the program and athletic department, maintain our national relevance, and align us with schools that make natural rivals and share a hoops-first mentality. Most importantly, it will relieve us from the crushing position of being subordinate to football schools in a broken conference.
Excellent!!!
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 11, 2012 9:50:43 GMT -5
From a reliable source (hopefully more reliable than the Nerlens source : The catholic schools are seriously considering splitting. While maintaining the Big East brand as their own. In addition, they would like to add St Louis, Xavier, Dayton, Butler and VCU. But the kicker I found interesting was that they believe they can also add Cinci, Uconn, Temple, and Memphis, rendering the current Big East football members to a football only conference which many believe would be better anyway. Ultimately the New Big East would have 16 members in all sports (minus football of course). They would keep MSG for conference tourney. Would have markets in NY, Chicago, DC, Philly, among others. And would be a competitive top 5 basketball conference that also allows for other sports to keep a more regional schedule. In addition, ESPN has hinted that they would be willing to pay somewhere in the range of 20-25 million for this arrangement, which would be similar to any deal that they would get by remaining in the current set up. Found it all interesting. Thought Id share.... So would the football teams of Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple, and UConn be independents with a scheduling agreement? I wouldn't think playing in a four-team football conference would be attractive, and I don't see how ESPN (or anyone else) would be willing to pay big bucks for that content.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 11, 2012 10:03:15 GMT -5
If they can pull this off while keeping those four football linked basketball schools this would be a huge win. Keep this new FB conference in some form as a Conference USA and then have those hoops programs playing in the Big East.
Balla kept telling me that the Tulane at was a big get and was part of some genius master plan, I can't believe he didn't know that the University wasn't too keen on it.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 11, 2012 10:14:46 GMT -5
Yeah, the key to this, I think, is whether they can keep UConn, Memphis, Temple and Cincinnati, at least for awhile. I'd rather keep the BE as is then lose those schools, but if we can drop a lot of the other new additions and replace them with VCU/Butler/Dayton/etc, that'd be a great conference.
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 11, 2012 10:21:22 GMT -5
Aside from the dream invite to the ACC, this seems like the best option left available for Georgetown. Not totally sure how keeping the basketball first FBS schools would work, but I suppose if they could be stashed in the C-USA it seems that would be a net benefit for them, as the football conference would be essentially the same, but the basketball would be measurably better than whatever the BE with football would have looked like. If we could maintain a yearly game with Cuse and throw in a game against a Duke or a Kansas, that would ensure Gtown hoops stays in the national spotlight.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 11, 2012 10:21:37 GMT -5
Wait a minute. Having UConn, Memphis, Temple, etc. part of an affiliated football league is precisely what we have now. I mean, the Big East football conference is, technically, a separate legal entity, so it already is a separate league. That portion of the proposal is truly no different than the current state of play, except that we would a lot of additional basketball-only (or non-football) members to the league. Similar to how we added Marquette, DePaul, etc. back a few years. I don't have any problem with adding more strong non-football schools, but it doesn't insulate us from the same pressures -- UConn et al. still would bolt at the first chance.
Ranch, I think, doesn't want this solution. He wants a complete divorce with no cross-over between football and non-football.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 11, 2012 10:21:49 GMT -5
With the way UConn and Cinci were falling all over themselves to get out of the Big East when the ACC came calling after the UMD defection, I doubt playing as an independent or in some such role would be attractive to them. If this move happens, you have to expect that they'll be looking elsewhere. The only way I see them staying is if they have no where else to go.
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 11, 2012 10:32:34 GMT -5
Of course UCONN and Cinci are looking elsewhere. But until someone comes a calling, this might be the best option for them as well. Mediocre football in the C-USA or independent or the Big East, is still mediocre football. But at least they could stay in a nationally relevant basketball conference which jettisons the Tulanes, UCFs and SMUs of the world and replaces them with Butler, Xavier and Creighton. And when inevitably they do jump to a better football conference, we simply replace them with VCU and St. Louis.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 11, 2012 10:41:01 GMT -5
So, right now, it looks like the possibilities for make up of the conference basketballwise are as follows:
Option 1 (current option): 1. Catholic Schools 2. UConn/Memphis/Temple/Cincinnati 3. UCF/Houston/SMU/Tulane/USF
Option 2: 1. Catholic Schools 2. UConn/Memphis/Temple/Cincinnati 3. Some combination of Xavier/Dayton/Saint Louis/Butler/Creighton/VCU/George Mason
Option 3: 1. Catholic Schools 2. Some combination of Xavier/Dayton/Saint Louis/Butler/Creighton/VCU/George Mason
I'd say that Option 1 is preferable to Option 3, but Option 2 would be the best possible outcome.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 11, 2012 10:50:59 GMT -5
unless I read it wrong...pretty sure he meant the Big East catholics vote to dissolve the league before the July 1 date when Temple get's full voting rights thus being able to keep the name, etc. They invite St Louis, Xavier, Dayton, Butler and VCU to join. Then Cinci, Uconn, Temple, and Memphis would join just for BBall....their football would need to find a home elsewhere. That would be incredible if it worked like this. If they truly could get 25Mil for that league thats about 1.5 per school which would be on par of what they get now for bball....that would be the best case scenario for sure. The key is the money. I have been against this because I thought there would be no way we could get that much as bball onlies. Again if true this needs to happen
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 11, 2012 10:53:20 GMT -5
So just so we're all clear what I assume NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom's describing would be a league of: Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, Depaul, St. Johns, Cincinnati, Uconn, memphis, temple, VCU, Xavier, St. Louis, Dayton, and Butler for all sports except for Football.
Then a separate football entity that would be Cincinnati, Uconn, Memphis, Temple, USF, UCF, Tulane, ECU, Houston, SMU, Boise St, Sand Diego St, Navy, and a team to be named later.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 11, 2012 10:55:43 GMT -5
Can the BE "jettison" a school as suggested above? I am certain that a new conference could be formed to exclude cerrtain schools but have to believe (notwithstanding what happened to Temple) that any attempt to toss out someone would just add to the litigation. I suspect that several of these new schools would welcome a "release" which does not entail payment of an exit fee.
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