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Post by bowhoya on Nov 29, 2012 10:13:55 GMT -5
The best solution to solidify the Big East is to create a basketball only conference. The best way to sell it is as a Powerhouse Eastern basketball conference, drawing from the power of the great basketball talent in the big Eastern cities.
Cities/areas such as:
New York Newark Boston Philadelphia Pittsburgh Baltimore Washington Richmond/Tide Water VA
Specific marketing efforts can be focused on targeting these areas. The collective television numbers from these areas will be attractive for recruits and advertisers alike.
Just a friendly suggestion, don't attack.
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royski
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Post by royski on Nov 29, 2012 10:18:49 GMT -5
This has been speculated about at length. For that list of cities in particular, what do you imagine the composition of the conference would be?
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 29, 2012 10:57:26 GMT -5
A brilliant and novel suggestion.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 29, 2012 10:58:30 GMT -5
This sounds great if you're a regional univesity seeking to get regional attention. Georgetown is no longer a regional university. The cities and regions you describe return these non-IA schools:
New York: St. John's, Fordham, Wagner, Manhattan Newark Seton Hall, NJIT Boston: Boston University, Northeastern Philadelphia: Villanova, LaSalle, St. Joseph's Pittsburgh: Duquesne, Robert Morris Baltimore: Loyola, Towson, UMBC Washington: George Washington, American, George Mason Richmond/Tide Water VA: Richmond, Hampton
This reads suspiciously like the old ECAC. No thanks.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 29, 2012 11:02:30 GMT -5
There's no program in DFW's list that's currently making the tournament every year.
Sounds like an awesome basketball conference.
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Post by hoyaback on Nov 29, 2012 11:09:43 GMT -5
Long time reader, first time poster. If SDSU/Boise St. pull out and the Big East finishes combusting, of course our preference is to beg an invite to the ACC. If that fails we then look at grabbing half of the A10 or going with a pan-national conference. In the pan-national conference scenario, how many of the WCC teams could we/would we grab?
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Post by mapei on Nov 29, 2012 11:32:07 GMT -5
I fervently wish for a basketball-first conference, whether it's a reworked Big East (as Feinstein suggests) or something else - there are teams like Butler out there that play in important basketball markets, for example. But I think this has become such a catastrophe that it doesn't matter what the best solution is; it won't happen. The current Big East is now a national joke to all but a few very wishful thinkers.
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Post by jgalt on Nov 29, 2012 12:36:14 GMT -5
If you do this you dont choose based on TV market you base it on winning. And passive fan interest. So Butler is up there along with VCU. DFWs post from the other thread is relevant here: Here's what you get with a regional basketball conference, and let's cut the pleasantries: 1. A new coach, because JT III isn't staying around to play St. Joe's and Fordham. 2. Loss of $1.5-$3 million a year in TV revenues which will cut the basketball budget overnight. 3. Loss of 50% or more in ticket revenues, and the growing inability to afford games at Verizon Center. 4. Loss of any momentum to finish the IAC. 5. Loss of most nationally relevant recruits. 6. Loss of NCAA revenue credits due the conference for the next six years. 7. Loss of most national TV appearances. 8. Loss of the university to provide scholarship support in other sports (soccer, lacrosse) 9. Institutional discussion to drop the idea of basketball as a major sport (as GU once did with football) and focus instead on a nonscholarship Ivy-Patriot League model. Plain and simple, a step back like what Feinstein and Doyel suggest is a step off the fiscal cliff for Georgetown athletics. Until you get over these, who cares who is in the conference.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 29, 2012 12:38:11 GMT -5
The best solution to solidify the Big East is to create a basketball only conference. The best way to sell it is as a Powerhouse Eastern basketball conference, drawing from the power of the great basketball talent in the big Eastern cities. Cities/areas such as: New York Newark Boston Philadelphia Pittsburgh Baltimore Washington Richmond/Tide Water VA Specific marketing efforts can be focused on targeting these areas. The collective television numbers from these areas will be attractive for recruits and advertisers alike. Just a friendly suggestion, don't attack. The idea has been discussed but why limit yourself to just NE teams. Why not make a basketball conference including pretty much every major city. Get Seattle, Portland, San Fran, LA/SD, SLC, Denver, Houston, Dallas plus those east coast cities you listed. West vs East.
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Post by bigelephant on Nov 29, 2012 14:26:48 GMT -5
The most simple solution I see is to somehow get into the ACC as a BB only school. It probably wouldn't take anymore work than all the machinations proposed. I think it should be our No. 1 priority. If we fail ( for many different reasons ) or they just don't want us, then GU should let it's fan base know where we stand and not fall back on some silliness such as "on-going sensitive negotiations" or some other rot. Then we can all bend our energies toward another direction. I hate that GU is is secretive.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Nov 29, 2012 16:47:45 GMT -5
The one thing I'm happy about in all of this is that GU is secretive. Almost the entire above-the-fold section of the New Haven Register today is devoted to UConn's "snub" by the ACC.
As much as we like to rag on the university administration around here, I have to trust that they're talking to the people they need to talk to about various scenarios. I don't know what we'd gain by doing so in public, other than possibly some negative publicity and bad will.
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Post by b52legend on Nov 29, 2012 18:51:20 GMT -5
There are enough basketball only teams out there to put together a good midwest/ east coast conference. I think it is ridiculous to have a conference with national geography for basketball. I think Georgetown has enough pull that if a few other schools sign-on (i.e, Villanova, Temple), then a new conference could essentially cherry pick from the mid-major. The result would be essentially a "super" mid-major. It won't be the Big Ten or ACC, but its preferable to being the worst "major" conference out there with a bunch of teams that have awful basketball traditions/teams. It could end up looking something like:
Georgetown Villanova St. John's Temple Butler Dayton St. Joseph's VCU Xavier Wichita St. Creighton Northern Iowa George Mason
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Post by royski on Nov 29, 2012 19:21:28 GMT -5
There are enough basketball only teams out there to put together a good midwest/ east coast conference. I think it is ridiculous to have a conference with national geography for basketball. I think Georgetown has enough pull that if a few other schools sign-on (i.e, Villanova, Temple), then a new conference could essentially cherry pick from the mid-major. The result would be essentially a "super" mid-major. It won't be the Big Ten or ACC, but its preferable to being the worst "major" conference out there with a bunch of teams that have awful basketball traditions/teams. It could end up looking something like: Georgetown Villanova St. John's Temple Butler Dayton St. Joseph's VCU Xavier Wichita St. Creighton Northern Iowa George Mason That conference legitimately sounds like fun. A lot more fun than next year's Big East. Where do we sign up?
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Post by hoyaback on Nov 29, 2012 19:29:35 GMT -5
This is the thing, right? On the face of it, a national basketball conference for college seems silly but if any college sport could do it, itd be basketball. Could we pull a two division 16 team national conference? East Georgetown Providence SH St. Johns VCU Butler Xavier Depaul
West Gonzaga St. Marys BYU St. Louis Marquette UNLV UCSD Creighton
UCSD/UNLV might be tough gets - we could always add one of any number of competitive schools to fill the void and rejuggle, but something along these lines would give us a truly national conference of bball powerhouses, and keep us in the conversation as a top 3 bball conference. Lots of great looking matchups. Heck, we could go to 10/10 if we wanted, in an East/West configuration. Of course this does nothing to address how other sports will be looked after.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 29, 2012 19:34:22 GMT -5
Abolish the BE before the newbies join, then attempt to join the A10, along with St. Johns and Marquette.
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Post by hoyaback on Nov 29, 2012 19:45:10 GMT -5
Joining the A-10 as currently constituted would be worse than staying put in the BE - we'd be trading houston, smu, tulane etc. for st. bonaventure, richmond, lasalle, fordham, duquesne, etc. we gain butler/xavier/vcu and lose memphis/temple/uconn.
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Post by jgalt on Nov 29, 2012 20:16:35 GMT -5
Joining the A-10 as currently constituted would be worse than staying put in the BE - we'd be trading houston, smu, tulane etc. for st. bonaventure, richmond, lasalle, fordham, duquesne, etc. we gain butler/xavier/vcu and lose memphis/temple/uconn. And about $1.4 million
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Nov 29, 2012 22:31:08 GMT -5
Really frustrating that people don't understand that this would be the death of Gtown basketball. We need that TV money plain and simple. Not just for bball but for all sports. Do I really want to play Tulane and Houston etc? Hell no. Am I sick to my stomach over all of this?? Absolutely. There's really nothing we can do. And hoping for a bball only league is unfortunately not the answer. We really need to hope the ACC gets raided and they somehow decide to truly become the old BE and add bball onlies
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Post by b52legend on Nov 29, 2012 23:29:54 GMT -5
Really frustrating that people don't understand that this would be the death of Gtown basketball. We need that TV money plain and simple. Not just for bball but for all sports. Do I really want to play Tulane and Houston etc? Hell no. Am I sick to my stomach over all of this?? Absolutely. There's really nothing we can do. And hoping for a bball only league is unfortunately not the answer. We really need to hope the ACC gets raided and they somehow decide to truly become the old BE and add bball onlies I think it depends on what where we see this going. "death of Gtown basketball" seems perhaps a little extreme, as I haven't seen what type of television deal the BE might be able to get for football, but it is starting to look like it might be the equivalent of the deal that the MEAC has given the roster of "high profile" schools that are joining. I don't see any television network ponying up big bucks to show the SMU v. Tulane football showdown. If basketball goes completely into the can, which it appears to be doing, then I don't see any good basketball deals being struck either. Do you have any knowledge as to the exact amount of TV money that Gtown would be foregoing? What percentage of a BE football deal does Gtown get anyways, given that we don't have a football team (I imagine it is substantially less than those who actually do).
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 29, 2012 23:42:20 GMT -5
Well the TV deal is going to be more than what we currently get which depending on the numbers you believe is between 1.5M and 2 Million. The A-10 deal currently gives teams I believe 300 K so about 5x less than what we currently get and even the most pessimistic projection has our TV deal still worth more than the old one.
I think long run no matter what Georgetown Basketball could compete and stay nationally relevant. But to do so we would have to cut about half our sports in order to save money and divert it to basketball. It's also not clear if the school would go that route or accept not being nationally relevant in basketball so it can keep all 27 sports.
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