cincyhoya
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Post by cincyhoya on Dec 13, 2012 13:08:50 GMT -5
How, by the way, on the biggest day in Georgetown basketball history since at least 2007 (and maybe ever in the modern era) are there only about 100 people on this message board right now? I'm guessing because most of us link through Hoyasaxa.com and never bothered to create a separate link for hoyatalk.com.
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CWS
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Post by CWS on Dec 13, 2012 13:09:28 GMT -5
What are the implications of a breakaway for our other sports? Wasn't one of the reasons we wanted to stay with the football programs that they are more likely to provide the teams we need for our other sports than are the Catholic schools?
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hoyaback
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Post by hoyaback on Dec 13, 2012 13:09:54 GMT -5
summersshowers - i agree with the sentiment. Clearly we aren't ever going to be in a conference better than the big east of 2011 (outside of joining the ACC). But is that lineup better than the Big East of 2013? the Big East of 2015 without Uconn and Cincy? definitely. Itd be closer if the big east itself put out offers to xavier/st.louis/dayton/creighton/zaga/st. marys. then we'd be down to discussing whether its worth staying under the big east umbrella with memphis/temple at the cost of being with tulane/houston/smu.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Dec 13, 2012 13:15:08 GMT -5
How, by the way, on the biggest day in Georgetown basketball history since at least 2007 (and maybe ever in the modern era) are there only about 100 people on this message board right now? I'm guessing because most of us link through Hoyasaxa.com and never bothered to create a separate link for hoyatalk.com. lmgtfy.com/?q=hoyatalk
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 13, 2012 13:16:06 GMT -5
I don't think the "catholic" identity is one of choice/exclusion, but one unfortunately put on us as they're the schools w/out football w/ strong bball schools. Don't think they would pigeon hole us to this classification. I have a feeling that they are going to make a big push to keep temple and memphis affiliated for bball if they can. If the revenue numbers are as strong as have been bandied around and we get a strong national TV deal that keeps us in front of viewers this is a fantastic outcome compared to what we thought it would do by having an all bball conference. Of course all this will need to come to fruition first. I can't imagine they would break away now without having some sort of assurances of this first.
My best case scenario: Keep the BE name and create a "national" league with two divisions. East and West. Will keep down travel costs by playing a few "crossover" games a year
West:
Gonzaga St. Marys Marquette DePaul St. Louis or Creighton Xavier Butler
East:
Georgetown Nova Temple Providence St Johns Seton Hall Memphis
I don't know about the rest of you, but that's a REALLY strong league. Potential 7, 8 bid league which keeps all the NCAA pod money coming in (something admittedly I hadn't thought of at first). Mixed with a solid TV deal...this has the potential for an UPGRADE money wise for Georgetown.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Dec 13, 2012 13:16:31 GMT -5
What are the implications of a breakaway for our other sports? Wasn't one of the reasons we wanted to stay with the football programs that they are more likely to provide the teams we need for our other sports than are the Catholic schools? A couple pages back we were talking about this and i went through and looked at what teams Pitt, cuse, ND, etc. had/didnt ahve compared to the new schools. Basically the old big east didnt have sports that Gtown has, and new big east was going to have the same problem. Our non-revenue sports will survive and find their own leagues if the new league doesnt have them. Gtown sponsors a lot of sports relative to other schools (even big state schools), so we will always have this problem.
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Post by bicentennial on Dec 13, 2012 13:21:02 GMT -5
I don't know what's happening but I have to wonder if different television stations value the Big East basketball and football properties differently. I could see where ESPN which owns the rights to most of the football it could ever want wouldn't want to pay for Big East football. Meanwhile Fox and NBC may want football content but not be willing to pay a premium for 7 days per week of basketball content requiring 3-4 channels per night to hold the rest of the basketball content for 4-5 months per year? Since money has been driving all the breakups, is money again dictating the breakup. Also the NCAA credit issue thamel mentions makes me think that may be some of what makes schools not worry as much about leaving their conference with big exit fees is they are owed more than 6 years of NCAA credits already by their conferences. On the other hand if millions of NCAA credits are at issue, I would think the basketball schools would want to keep the Big East name and corporate office intact. Perhaps voting out the commissioner and replacing him with a basketball first guy like Jay Bilas would be the answer! A coup if you will!
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Dec 13, 2012 13:23:36 GMT -5
I don't know what's happening but I have to wonder if different television stations value the Big East basketball and football properties differently. I could see where ESPN which owns the rights to most of the football it could ever want wouldn't want to pay for Big East football. Meanwhile Fox and NBC may want football content but not be willing to pay a premium for 7 days per week of basketball content requiring 3-4 channels per night to hold the rest of the basketball content for 4-5 months per year? Since money has been driving all the breakups, is money again dictating the breakup. Also the NCAA credit issue thamel mentions makes me think that may be some of what makes schools not worry as much about leaving their conference with big exit fees is they are owed more than 6 years of NCAA credits already by their conferences. On the other hand if millions of NCAA credits are at issue, I would think the basketball schools would want to keep the Big East name and corporate office intact. Perhaps voting out the commissioner and replacing him with a basketball first guy like Jay Bilas would be the answer! A coup if you will! I think that the idea is right. That the networks may value the sports differently. But it was reported by Thamel that NBC had not offered as much as was thought, leading me to think they dont value the FB property that highly.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 13:25:33 GMT -5
Would be HUGE to hold onto Temple and Memphis especially....its not as if those football programs are ever getting called up to the Show. They can go indy or MAC or whatever happens to ConUSA/BE.
Oh, and I hate the idea of striving to keep it a Catholic schools-only league with every fiber of my being. Not having Butler at the top of the wish list is criminally stupid.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Dec 13, 2012 13:29:14 GMT -5
Ive been told its official. As of 10 minutes ago the Catholic 7 have left the conference. Details of withdrawal or dissolution still coming...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2012 13:31:05 GMT -5
I don't know what's happening but I have to wonder if different television stations value the Big East basketball and football properties differently. I could see where ESPN which owns the rights to most of the football it could ever want wouldn't want to pay for Big East football. Meanwhile Fox and NBC may want football content but not be willing to pay a premium for 7 days per week of basketball content requiring 3-4 channels per night to hold the rest of the basketball content for 4-5 months per year? Since money has been driving all the breakups, is money again dictating the breakup. Also the NCAA credit issue thamel mentions makes me think that may be some of what makes schools not worry as much about leaving their conference with big exit fees is they are owed more than 6 years of NCAA credits already by their conferences. On the other hand if millions of NCAA credits are at issue, I would think the basketball schools would want to keep the Big East name and corporate office intact. Perhaps voting out the commissioner and replacing him with a basketball first guy like Jay Bilas would be the answer! A coup if you will! Really, the basketball schools breaking away from the Big East could give ESPN everything it wants. ESPN could retain rights to the basketball games (which it does need, to some extent, for content), while totally killing Big East football and ensuring that no other rival gets football content that would be competitive. All in all, it's a net positive for ESPN because it gets to keep the basketball content at a cheap price, while eliminating the football component (which is likely to collapse once the 7 schools leave).
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Dec 13, 2012 13:31:17 GMT -5
Would be HUGE to keep onto Temple and Memphis especially....its not as if those football programs are every getting called up to the Show. They can go indy or MAC or whatever happens to ConUSA/BE. Oh, and I hate the idea of striving to keep it a Catholic schools-only league with every fiber of my being. Not having Butler at the top of the wish list is criminally stupid. Yeah any idea that association with Catholicism will improve the league is just moronic. It will only serve to alienate potential audiences.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 13:32:24 GMT -5
You know what's great about this otherwise horrible turn of events? Right now Uconn and Cinci are the ones in a total panic- not us, and Nova, etc.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 13:34:27 GMT -5
I say the only way we invite Uconn or Cinci is if they post a $25MM exit fee bond that they can't take back. If they do that, and they might, be happy to have them in the league for a year or two for $50MM.
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Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 13:36:18 GMT -5
Would be HUGE to keep onto Temple and Memphis especially....its not as if those football programs are every getting called up to the Show. They can go indy or MAC or whatever happens to ConUSA/BE. Oh, and I hate the idea of striving to keep it a Catholic schools-only league with every fiber of my being. Not having Butler at the top of the wish list is criminally stupid. Yeah any idea that association with Catholicism will improve the league is just moronic. It will only serve to alienate potential audiences. Obviously it is not the Catholicism that's keeping the schools together, but do need some non RC schools to avoid constant pigeon-holing as "CYO." Add Butler, VCU, and and some other decent non RC school and should be able to avoid that. Maybe Wichita State?
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hoyaback
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Post by hoyaback on Dec 13, 2012 13:37:08 GMT -5
BYU.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 13:39:17 GMT -5
I like adding Umass for a couple of reasons. Umass carries Boston more than BC does. Big market, need another toehold in New England.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 13:41:24 GMT -5
BYU? For basketball only? They were no interested before Rutgers and Louisville left and they are most certainly lead by football. No chance they are interested at all and I sure hope we add don't add any one-sport-only orphans to the new league. I can do all sports save football for low flight risk schools like Memphis and Temple....but no basketball-only mercenaries for me, especially a school like BYU who may well end up getting a Big 4 invite. No more kryptonite.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Dec 13, 2012 13:43:50 GMT -5
Call it whatever the hell you want. Just don't pretend that it's like some new and improved Big East. It's not, but it's being sold like it is and that's what I can't stand. Who is pretending that this is some new and improved Big East or selling it that way? Yep, more straw in that man than in Ray Bolger.
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Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 13:44:46 GMT -5
I like adding Umass for a couple of reasons. Umass carries Boston more than BC does. Big market, need another toehold in New England. This is linked to a bigger question: Will any school with FBS football want to join the new league, and if so, will it cause continued instability? I suspect it would do the latter, even though schools like UConn, UMass, and Temple will probably never be invited to the football big boys' table.
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