hoyaback
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Post by hoyaback on Dec 13, 2012 13:45:45 GMT -5
this has gone back and forth in the other realignment thread but to summarize - BYU/Gonzaga/St. Marys all park their non-football sports in the West Coast Conference. Invite all three along with creighton, and whatever other top notch non-BCS western teams we can peel away. Split the conference into east/west divisions with 18? 20? teams. go national.
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nodak89
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Post by nodak89 on Dec 13, 2012 13:46:13 GMT -5
Seriously, what's the deal with DFW taking the front page site down? I hear he's going to fucus primarily on Kate Upton gif's to take back market share from CasualHoya. Hilarious!
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 13:49:18 GMT -5
I like adding Umass for a couple of reasons. Umass carries Boston more than BC does. Big market, need another toehold in New England. This is linked to a bigger question: Will any school with FBS football want to join the new league, and if so, will it cause continued instability? I suspect it would do the latter, even though schools like UConn, UMass, and Temple will probably never be invited to the football big boys' table. I can't see a problem as long as: 1. The schools have no shot at ACC/Big10 (Memphis, Temple, Umass) and 2. They join in all sports save football- NOT join for hoops only. And their exit fee should be double or triple that for schools with no IA football.
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boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 13, 2012 13:50:41 GMT -5
I've liked the idea of WSU and Creighton coming together. Umass makes sense if you need filler for a football side, but that's obviously not the case anymore and the bball program hasn't been relevant since the 90s. Pass.
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Post by pash on Dec 13, 2012 13:51:37 GMT -5
Ive been told its official. As of 10 minutes ago the Catholic 7 have left the conference. So at least we now know what the Mayans meant.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Dec 13, 2012 13:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 13:55:58 GMT -5
This is linked to a bigger question: Will any school with FBS football want to join the new league, and if so, will it cause continued instability? I suspect it would do the latter, even though schools like UConn, UMass, and Temple will probably never be invited to the football big boys' table. I can't see a problem as long as: 1. The schools have no shot at ACC/Big10 (Memphis, Temple, Umass) and 2. They join in all sports save football- NOT join for hoops only. And their exit fee should be double or triple that for schools with no IA football. The problem is it gets very tiresome - and destablizing - dealing with a partner with a constantly wandering eye, and if I were a school with an FBS football program I would always be looking to move to something better. And while it's too early to say this definitively - let's see what happens with UMCP - exit fees don't actually seem to mean much. That said, I would love to have Temple, Memphis, and BYU in the new league. I'd even like to have UConn. But not without some nearly iron-clad reason to believe they wouldn't bolt.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Dec 13, 2012 13:58:23 GMT -5
BYU has two priorities--the Pac 12 and the Big 12. Anything else is part of Plan B. On the other hand, there is no reason not to go after Gonzaga and St. Mary's --other than cost. I also believe that trying to maintain a relationship with Memphis and Temple would be great.
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nathanhm
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Post by nathanhm on Dec 13, 2012 13:58:30 GMT -5
Ive been told its official. As of 10 minutes ago the Catholic 7 have left the conference. Details of withdrawal or dissolution still coming... Wonder how soon until this breaks all over the net
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hoyaback
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Post by hoyaback on Dec 13, 2012 14:00:34 GMT -5
if they pay us on the way out, i have no problem being affiliated with temple, memphis, uconn etc.. the problem with the current big east isnt that Cuse, louisville etc are leaving, though that hurts. Its that in order to backfill football inventory, we needed to invite horrible basketball squads in tulane/houston/smu, with more of it on the horizon.
Without the crummy football schools, thered be no reason to leave the big east - we'd just give the invites to butler etc. within the current framework.
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Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 14:05:36 GMT -5
if they pay us on the way out, i have no problem being affiliated with temple, memphis, uconn etc.. the problem with the current big east isnt that Cuse, louisville etc are leaving, though that hurts. Its that in order to backfill football inventory, we needed to invite horrible basketball squads in tulane/houston/smu, with more of it on the horizon. Without the crummy football schools, thered be no reason to leave the big east - we'd just give the invites to butler etc. within the current framework. Basically, we could have no more than a few football schools - who played football elsewhere - so the membership was always overwhelmingly hoops-only. I could see it, but wouldn't count on Memphis, UMass, Temple, or other football schools staying too long.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:11:02 GMT -5
I can't see a problem as long as: 1. The schools have no shot at ACC/Big10 (Memphis, Temple, Umass) and 2. They join in all sports save football- NOT join for hoops only. And their exit fee should be double or triple that for schools with no IA football. The problem is it gets very tiresome - and destablizing - dealing with a partner with a constantly wandering eye, and if I were a school with an FBS football program I would always be looking to move to something better. And while it's too early to say this definitively - let's see what happens with UMCP - exit fees don't actually seem to mean much. That said, I would love to have Temple, Memphis, and BYU in the new league. I'd even like to have UConn. But not without some nearly iron-clad reason to believe they wouldn't bolt. There already is an iron-clad reason to believe Memphis and Temple won't bolt- there is NO chance they get a look. None. The chances of BYU joining a further depleted Big East now are about the same as Oregon's.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:15:44 GMT -5
if they pay us on the way out, i have no problem being affiliated with temple, memphis, uconn etc.. the problem with the current big east isnt that Cuse, louisville etc are leaving, though that hurts. Its that in order to backfill football inventory, we needed to invite horrible basketball squads in tulane/houston/smu, with more of it on the horizon. Without the crummy football schools, thered be no reason to leave the big east - we'd just give the invites to butler etc. within the current framework. Basically, we could have no more than a few football schools - who played football elsewhere - so the membership was always overwhelmingly hoops-only. I could see it, but wouldn't count on Memphis, UMass, Temple, or other football schools staying too long. Where on earth is Memphis going with a football team on par with Gtown's? Nowhere. That is a basketball school. Memphis is in no way the same thing as Louisville or Rutgers or Uconn.
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boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 13, 2012 14:16:17 GMT -5
I want no part of BYU and am not convinced a national conference works. Looking a few steps ahead, I'd make Creighton, WSU, and SLU a priority over east coast schools not named Butler or Xavier in case someone gets the idea to build a Pacific bball superconference built around Zaga, St. Mary's, and UNLV.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:18:45 GMT -5
I don't understand- you don't want a national conference but you want the expansion to move westward and not back to the east? If we're going to be a small nimble basketball conferece that hosts all other sports, I'd be VERY wary of spreading out west. I say keep it eastern and northern. I think Marquette is as far West as we should go. Only Gonzaga tempts me but one of the only upsides to this move is getting away from the geographic absurdity of the last few additions. Especially since there is no football insanity to drive it.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 13, 2012 14:19:45 GMT -5
I don't think the "catholic" identity is one of choice/exclusion, but one unfortunately put on us as they're the schools w/out football w/ strong bball schools. Don't think they would pigeon hole us to this classification. I have a feeling that they are going to make a big push to keep temple and memphis affiliated for bball if they can. If the revenue numbers are as strong as have been bandied around and we get a strong national TV deal that keeps us in front of viewers this is a fantastic outcome compared to what we thought it would do by having an all bball conference. Of course all this will need to come to fruition first. I can't imagine they would break away now without having some sort of assurances of this first. My best case scenario: Keep the BE name and create a "national" league with two divisions. East and West. Will keep down travel costs by playing a few "crossover" games a year West:Gonzaga St. Marys Marquette DePaul St. Louis or Creighton Xavier Butler East:Georgetown Nova Temple Providence St Johns Seton Hall Memphis I don't know about the rest of you, but that's a REALLY strong league. Potential 7, 8 bid league which keeps all the NCAA pod money coming in (something admittedly I hadn't thought of at first). Mixed with a solid TV deal...this has the potential for an UPGRADE money wise for Georgetown. noone wants to discuss my league thought?
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 13, 2012 14:20:47 GMT -5
Given these significant reports, we may need to start a new thread.
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Post by fsohoya on Dec 13, 2012 14:21:20 GMT -5
The problem is it gets very tiresome - and destablizing - dealing with a partner with a constantly wandering eye, and if I were a school with an FBS football program I would always be looking to move to something better. And while it's too early to say this definitively - let's see what happens with UMCP - exit fees don't actually seem to mean much. That said, I would love to have Temple, Memphis, and BYU in the new league. I'd even like to have UConn. But not without some nearly iron-clad reason to believe they wouldn't bolt. There already is an iron-clad reason to believe Memphis and Temple won't bolt- there is NO chance they get a look. None. The chances of BYU joining a further depleted Big East now are about the same as Oregon's. Or maybe Memphis and Temple stay for a while with the coming BE football league (and engage in a huge legal fight for who gets the rights to BE stuff with the new hoops conference.) The football league would be UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, SMU, Houston, East Carolina, Tulane, and maybe Boise and SDSU. (Who am I missing?) It seems to me there is a real question whether that is at least as viable a football league as C-USA, and maybe as good a hoops conference as the new hoops-first conference. My guess is if Boise and SDSU pull out the whole BE football remnant crumbles, but who knows anymore?
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Dec 13, 2012 14:21:36 GMT -5
I loath the incessant need in American sports to split everything into smaller and smaller divisions. I'm waiting for the NFL to create 16 2-team divisions any day now.
Just have one 12 team league with one big table. And let's stay away from the west.
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nathanhm
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Post by nathanhm on Dec 13, 2012 14:22:09 GMT -5
I think it really depends on if Gonzaga & Saint Mary's want to travel that far, and if Memphis and Temple decide to stay otherwise, the exact same configuration minus those 4 teams. Personally I'd prefer Creighton over Saint Louis.
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