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Post by hoya9797 on May 26, 2022 11:17:03 GMT -5
The number of idiots who are Pat Ewing fans before they are Georgetown fans. I don’t believe in banning people, and, in fact, support letting everyone have their say. But this is a pretty good example of why a number of people (not just 2 or 3) are fed up with you. Oh no, a bunch of anonymous people on a message board are unhappy with me. What will I do?
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Post by hoya9797 on May 26, 2022 10:47:23 GMT -5
It’s been very surprising how many people misinterpret the meaning of a small sample size
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Post by hoya9797 on May 26, 2022 9:36:04 GMT -5
The number of idiots who are Pat Ewing fans before they are Georgetown fans.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 25, 2022 11:45:44 GMT -5
Ok revision to something I put in another thread. In terms of guys I see as being capable Big East level players on a winning team this year (not saying they can't become that in future years), I have this: PG: none (possibly Anglin, I'm high on him, but he's 18 years old) SG: Murray, Heath SF: Mozone PF: Akok C: Qudus Other guys like Mutombo have the potential to be serviceable bench pieces and having that will be so critical to us. I stand by my assertion that Ewing is still recruiting inefficient players that tend to come from non winning programs, two things that go exactly against what successful transfers tend to be, but there's enough capable bodies to win games which there flat out wasn't last year. You are aware Dante Harris was the Most Outstanding Player in the Big East Tournament as a Freshman, right? Saying that he is not a player capable of winning in the Big East is utterly ridiculous. You are aware that he led his team to an 0-20 big East record last year? Is that more indicative than one weekend the year before?
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Post by hoya9797 on May 25, 2022 6:57:45 GMT -5
Brandon Murray and Jay Heath were not better offensive players than Carey was last year. Not close. Now Murray is more talented, and is a better defender for sure. But all this talk about a stacked roster is a pipe dream. We are still reaching on a lot of players, including a lot of our additions. We are rated the number two incoming class in the country. Obviously people who do this for a living think the staff did something right Maybe this group will turn out as well as the highly ranked and anticipated freshman class that came in last year.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 20:18:13 GMT -5
No, we were 8th in 3 point percentage and 6th in 3 pointers as a percentage of scoring. These came from the official BE site -- did I read them wrong? Team 3-Point FG Percentage 3-Point FG PCT Index Team G 3FGM 3FGA PCT1 Xavier 7 50 140 0.357 2 UConn 8 52 147 0.354 3 Marquette 32 275 800 0.344 4 Georgetown 31 237 693 0.3425 Creighton 11 86 258 0.333 6 Seton Hall 9 63 194 0.325 7 St. John's 9 63 195 0.323 8 DePaul 31 204 644 0.317 9 Providence 13 88 281 0.313 10 Villanova 11 90 291 0.309 11 Butler 8 55 195 0.282 3-Point FGs Made3-Point FG Made Index Team G No. AVG/G 1 Marquette 32 275 8.6 2 Villanova 11 90 8.2 3 Creighton 11 86 7.8 4 Georgetown 31 237 7.65 Xavier 7 50 7.1 6 St. John's 9 63 7.0 7 Seton Hall 9 63 7.0 8 Butler 8 55 6.9 9 Providence 13 88 6.8 10 DePaul 31 204 6.6 11 UConn 8 52 6.5 Here's the link if these are hard to read -- didn't format in the copy & paste: www.bigeast.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2021That’s probably all games. For conference only stats, GU further down the table.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 20:01:07 GMT -5
Probably because it’s the same story every offseason about how this is finally the group of athletes that can finally play the way Ewing wants to play. And then, every year, the team is horrible, the players are blamed for being talentless, 90% of the team transfers out, and then a whole new group of unknowns get to come in and save the day. Why should anyone with a brain expect this to be different? Because it is different and you won't see it? There's certainly a coaching question mark here, but the cast of characters is entirely different. I know exaggeration is part of your approach ( every year the team is horrible) but the past is not always prologue. I'm not convinced that coaching alone will win us games, but the mix of talent might. Yeah, sure, this time it’s different. Now is the time to be delusional, I guess.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 19:58:40 GMT -5
Probably because it’s the same story every offseason about how this is finally the group of athletes that can finally play the way Ewing wants to play. And then, every year, the team is horrible, the players are blamed for being talentless, 90% of the team transfers out, and then a whole new group of unknowns get to come in and save the day. Why should anyone with a brain expect this to be different? This team may not be 0-20 bad but they’ll be bad because their leadership is bad. But, after this upcoming season is another failure, they’ll get run out of school and the excuses for their coach will flow freely. It’s the Georgetown way. I don’t deny at all that there are fair questions as to how the talent will be handled and coached. But in terms of talent, at very worst, this is the second most talented team Georgetown will have had since 2013….there is significant talent and depth and versatility at every spot. There is (IMO) a future NBA player on the roster. There is versatility and shooting. There isn’t an obvious area of basketball that I look on this roster and say yeah we are really lacking there What did you say about last year’s team at this point? I’d bet it was a lot of the same stuff you are saying now. Maybe this time you are right but forgive me for being skeptical.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 19:22:35 GMT -5
I think if UMD wanted Q to stay originally when Willard came in, they would have made that happen. It kind of seemed like when the C market evaporated, they decided he'd be a good backup. Also, we didn't recruit over Carey - other than Murray none of our adds are as good as Carey, and we don't know if Heath will be eligible or not. Murray and Heath are better basketball players than Carey. Without question. Carey is probably a better basketball player at this point than Spears. He’s nowhere near the raw talent or upside that spears is. My question: why is it so difficult to acknowledge the obvious strides the staff made in the transfer market? There are multiple other very fair criticisms and questions to be asked and talked about, other than being willfully obtuse about the very obvious and significant talent spike of the roster Probably because it’s the same story every offseason about how this is finally the group of athletes that can finally play the way Ewing wants to play. And then, every year, the team is horrible, the players are blamed for being talentless, 90% of the team transfers out, and then a whole new group of unknowns get to come in and save the day. Why should anyone with a brain expect this to be different? This team may not be 0-20 bad but they’ll be bad because their leadership is bad. But, after this upcoming season is another failure, they’ll get run out of school and the excuses for their coach will flow freely. It’s the Georgetown way.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 17:25:18 GMT -5
So many of you are saying this team has tournament talent, or even that this team is deep. What data points are you using to get to that conclusion? One singular player on this roster played in the tournament last season. Several guys are almost comically inefficient (Spears shot 36%. 36. For Duquesne.) and we are still light at multiple positions. Statistical ranks such as T rank still have us in dead last with Q back. If you compare our roster to others in the league I don’t understand how you can think we are better than anybody except DePaul and maybe St. John’s and Butler. wsd I think those of us that are predicting a tourney appearance are assuming that poor efficiency is more a factor of how players were being used and not the particular player's game. Dante, Primo, Bryson should all be more efficient simply from moving down the pecking order a spot or 2. I know for certain that Dante and Primo were doing too much on teams with few offensive options. Hopefully Brandon and Akok become options 1 and 2 which should take a lot of pressure off the other players. Hopefully these players haven't developed bad habits. Wayne and Q should supply valuable offensive options also. The only one that is changing responsibility in the opposite direction is Brandon but I assume if he stayed at LSU he would have been a top 2 option there as well. Also every team in the conference has lost more than they gained but Creighton and maybe Marquette(depending on Lewis). I really like our pieces. Nobody knows less about how to put players in a position to succeed than Pat Ewing.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 13:33:05 GMT -5
Agreed but somehow you keep saying it over and over like it's a new thought. Turn the page. It's not even that I disagree...I don't want Ewing to be our head coach...I agree he has been horrible to date with the exception of 4 games...simple is that...but he is the coach and I refuse to root against him or the team as a fan. He's not a fan of the Georgetown Hoyas. He has never made one positive comment about the team. Not one... Wrong
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 12:13:05 GMT -5
We were in the top 4 teams in the BE in 3-point shooting last season. No, we were 8th in 3 point percentage and 6th in 3 pointers as a percentage of scoring.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 9:28:40 GMT -5
I've posted this before but updated T-Rank including the Q transfer. barttorvik.com/?&conlimit=BESo yes we're still projected last in BE. But if you sort by offense and then defense you see what's happening. We're now projected as a top 100 offense (92nd) and 8th in the Big East. The defense is projected to finish last. Now I assume that's based off last year's results more than anything else, but the reality still remains that this is really all about defense. I think the BE could easily support 7 tourney teams, so if you're looking at offense alone you can talk yourself into being right in the range. And that's why I'm conflicted on Q. I'm happy he's back, he is a very viable option for us in the halfcourt and gives us another shot blocking threat. But it really brings up two big questions. 1. Will the defensive scheme change materially? Does Q actually help the defense? I was talking myself into a more switchable lineup with Akok moonlighting at center and getting away with a Bristol or Mozone at the PF and leveraging what Nickelberry saw at LSU. Will Ewing always play one of Q / Mutombo at all times? Last year he showed more willingness to go small but that was out of necessity. If Mutombo doesn't make a major improvement on the defensive end, I'd like to see Akok get those minutes at center in smaller lineups. 2. Managing a large rotation. It's a Hoyatalk tradition to overstate our depth and then we get to the season and we're playing 7-8 guys. But even I'll admit, there's a lot of people on this roster who think they're going to be playing real minutes. Can Ewing handle that? Will the lineups make sense? the last time we had this type of depth, the roster didn't make it to January. But to broadly answer the big question...I'll go with "meaningful games in Late Feb / early March". We at least need to be in the bubble discussion. I'm not going to pretend that if Ewing gets this team on the bubble his job would be in jeopardy given we kept him off 0-20. The formula not only has us last in the conference on defense. But last by NINETY-TWO (92) spots. Seems a bit optimistic.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 8:56:22 GMT -5
Predicting another horrible season for a Pat Ewing team is about as far from a hot take as one can get. Put your prediction on record. What do you envision for this team this year? Put a number on it. 5-15? It’s probably worth waiting to see which of the players don’t actually make it to the first game (guys getting dismissed from school or vanishing under mysterious circumstances - another hallmark of a Ewing team) before predicting a record. But, regardless, I don’t think they’ll finish better than 9th which, while outstanding for the worst coach in the country, is actually horrible yet again.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 8:48:14 GMT -5
It will take about 4-5 forfeit wins but anything is possible. Monkeypox may rip through the Big East and sideline a few teams. Another hot take... Predicting another horrible season for a Pat Ewing team is about as far from a hot take as one can get.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 24, 2022 7:42:44 GMT -5
I feel like we have a shot at 10-10 with our current roster. What do you guys think? It will take about 4-5 forfeit wins but anything is possible. Monkeypox may rip through the Big East and sideline a few teams.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 23, 2022 11:39:47 GMT -5
Yes, he did represent GU well. But, his reward for that, in his last year, was to be effectively kicked out of school so that Patrick Ewing can fail with a new group of players. It’s pathetic and I don’t care what college basketball has turned into, it’s not acceptable. I agree in principle. What is the evidence that he was "effectively" kicked out of school? Maybe you think that he decided, all on his own, that finishing his degree at Cal Baptist is a good idea. I think that’s extremely far fetched and that it’s more likely that he was told that he would no longer have a scholarship. For all practical purposes, that’s being kicked out of school.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 23, 2022 11:38:07 GMT -5
The upside for the 2022-23 team is mediocre. So, the notion that one scholarship for one year can’t be allocated to a guy who has done nothing wrong for three years is ludicrous.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 23, 2022 11:10:01 GMT -5
Yes, he did represent GU well. But, his reward for that, in his last year, was to be effectively kicked out of school so that Patrick Ewing can fail with a new group of players. It’s pathetic and I don’t care what college basketball has turned into, it’s not acceptable. So you are in favor of keeping scholarship players for four years no matter their ability to provide a real contribution to the success of the basketball team? I mean can we all agree that Ighoefe seems like a nice guy but is not and likely will not be a high caliber college center? When schools recruit players and it turns out that the player is not going to develop into a Big East caliber player ... is it wrong to push them to transfer? Yes, I think a player should be guaranteed four years as long is he a student in good standing and not breaking rules or being disruptive off the court. The player should not have to pay the price for the coach’s failure.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 23, 2022 10:50:06 GMT -5
At present, Georgetown is one of two Big East schools without a MTE (in-season tournament) event. At present, nearly all the tournaments are set, with a Gotham Classic still with two open spaces. Butler: Battle 4 Atlantis ((BYU, Dayton, Kansas, NC State, Tennessee, USC, Wisconsin) Connecticut: PK85 (Alabama, Iowa St., Michigan St., UNC, Oregon, Portland, Villanova) Creighton: Maui Invitational (Arizona, Arkansas, Cincinnati, Louisville, Ohio St., San Diego St., Texas Tech) DePaul: None Georgetown: None Marquette: Ft. Myers-Tip Off (Georgia Tech, Mississippi St., Utah) Providence: Hall of Fame Tip-Off (Maryland, Miami, St. Louis) Seton Hall: ESPN Events Invitational (Florida St., Memphis, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Siena, Stanford) St. John's: Empire Classic (Richmond, Syracuse, Temple) Villanova: PK 85 (Alabama, UConn, Iowa St., Michigan St., UNC, Oregon, Portland) Xavier: PK 85 (Duke, Florida, Gonzaga, Oregon St., Portland St., Purdue, West Virginia) If we play in one of these tournaments, we run the risk of playing a team ranked better than 300 and Ewing has to avoid that as much as possible.
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