Latest Rivals Rankings

[TahoeSkin]

Here are the recent Rivals Power Rankings for our 07-08 Hoyas, along with the Rivals commentary:

JTIII - 2nd Place, Head Coach, Like father, like son: The Hoyas are an elite program again.
Roy Hibbert - 1st Place Center, Surprising decision to return makes Hoyas a threat to win it all.
Jon Wallace - 9th Place, PG, Deadly shooter and great decision-maker will see role expand.

Also, according to Andrew Skwara, Rivals.com Basketball Writer, "DaJuan Summers showed plenty of maturity as a freshman last season and I fully expect him to make a big leap in 2007-08. A lot of players make their biggest improvements from their freshman to sophomore seasons."

[HoyaSinceBirth]

one problem is paulus being ahead of JWall.
from the Big east:
#2 coach, #1, ,6,7 centers, #9 pg, #10 PF, #4 SG, #6 SF.

[prhoya]

Kind of spoils the rest...

[DFW HOYA]

tahoeskin said:

JTIII - 2nd Place, Head Coach, Like father, like son: The Hoyas are an elite program again.

The positive comments are appreciated, but an objective view suggests Georgetown is not yet an elite program.

Being in a recent Final Four is not enough, unless you want to include George Mason, Oklahoma State, Marquette, etc. Likewise, one NBA player drafted since 2001 or being 41st in the nation on attendance isn't enough, either. And what elite program is playing in a place like McD with no plans to change it?

This is not to say it isn't going in the right direction, but it's still early to claim that Georgetown is at the top of the college landscape.

For discussion purposes, I'd place Georgetown in the third of four tiers of top programs right now, as follows:

Tier I: UCLA, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke
Tier II: Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Indiana, Louisville, Syracuse
Tier III: Georgetown, Maryland, Michigan State, NC State, Ohio State, Texas, Villanova
Tier IV: Gonzaga, Illinois, LSU, Memphis, Pitt, UNLV, Wisconsin

[hilltopper2000]

Actually, DFW, as to McDonough, I recently learned that the university is moving ahead on that front in the very near future. I can give you more details if you want to PM me, but I don't feel comfortable posting too much on the Board.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Care to explain what seperates what seprated Arizona and syracuse from other teams who have only won one championship? Why is texas on the same level as teams that have won Championships before. what has texas ever done? texas has only been to one final four since 1947.

[Eurostar]

dfw said:

The positive comments are appreciated, but an objective view suggests Georgetown is not yet an elite program.

Being in a recent Final Four is not enough, unless you want to include George Mason, Oklahoma State, Marquette, etc. Likewise, one NBA player drafted since 2001 or being 41st in the nation on attendance isn't enough, either. And what elite program is playing in a place like McD with no plans to change it?

This is not to say it isn't going in the right direction, but it's still early to claim that Georgetown is at the top of the college landscape.

For discussion purposes, I'd place Georgetown in the third of four tiers of top programs right now, as follows:

Tier I: UCLA, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke
Tier II: Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Indiana, Louisville, Syracuse
Tier III: Georgetown, Maryland, Michigan State, NC State, Ohio State, Texas, Villanova
Tier IV: Gonzaga, Illinois, LSU, Memphis, Pitt, UNLV, Wisconsin

You can all nitpick this list, but I think the point being made is a good one. We used to be in that Tier I of programs, and I think we were totally off this list as recently as last year. I think a few more years of finishing in the top 15 of rankings, a JT3 long term deal, and any sort of McD renovation plan could move us back into Tier 2.

[ExcitableBoy]

dfw said:

tahoeskin said:

JTIII - 2nd Place, Head Coach, Like father, like son: The Hoyas are an elite program again.

The positive comments are appreciated, but an objective view suggests Georgetown is not yet an elite program.

Being in a recent Final Four is not enough, unless you want to include George Mason, Oklahoma State, Marquette, etc. Likewise, one NBA player drafted since 2001 or being 41st in the nation on attendance isn't enough, either. And what elite program is playing in a place like McD with no plans to change it?

This is not to say it isn't going in the right direction, but it's still early to claim that Georgetown is at the top of the college landscape.

For discussion purposes, I'd place Georgetown in the third of four tiers of top programs right now, as follows:

Tier I: UCLA, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke
Tier II: Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Indiana, Louisville, Syracuse
Tier III: Georgetown, Maryland, Michigan State, NC State, Ohio State, Texas, Villanova
Tier IV: Gonzaga, Illinois, LSU, Memphis, Pitt, UNLV, Wisconsin

I agree that we may be jumping the gun on exactly how much we have actually accomplished in recent years (one sweet sixteen and one final four is a fantastic run, but prior to that our recent accomplishments certainly couldn't be considered "elite" by any definition). That said, how many of your tiers are "elite"? You are saying that because we are only in the top 18 so we aren't among the elite programs in the nation? Without arguing the merits of the rankings, isn't being in your 'excellent eighteen' enough?

[HoyaLingus]

Who's their #1 coach? Donovan?

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

hoyalingus said:

Who's their #1 coach? Donovan?

Ditka, of course.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

actually it was matta. donovan was not on the list but was listed as having dropped off the list.