RDF
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Post by RDF on Jun 6, 2007 13:55:19 GMT -5
Some thoughts on the link: 1. Wasn't GU "smart enough" the year before when Hoyas beat Duke and the so called greatest shooter of his generation--except for any NCAA Tournament game where he couldn't hold Lee Humprhey's jock? (yes I know Redick was sick against Hoyas--but you can't deny any truth to the statements made). 2. Watching this year's game--that sign should've said--Nobody on this court is smart enough to run any offense. Hoyas and Duke were AWFUL in that game on offensive end and it's why I prefer seeing this matchup in January instead of early on when teams aren't as sharp. 3. I only hope that we can return the favor in the "Sign War" with a possibility of: "Our Paulus' Were Better Then Yours"
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 6, 2007 14:30:41 GMT -5
Not so sure that there's no racism there. Duke has done this before - the (in)famous "J.R. Can't Reid" sign - and stuff regarding intelligence got thrown at Ewing at various games.
If nothing else, it's a bad idea - Duke has a stereotype, rightly or wrongly, as being a "white" program, and Georgetown has a similarly bad stereotype as being "black". Georgetown may not be the equivalent of Princeton (though they're at least similar), but it's not like we're talking Cincy here - the vast majority of players graduate and it's widely assumed that going to class isn't optional for athletes.
So, why would you make the insinuation? Two possibilities. One is that it's a mindless jab (this sign could be directed at any school, including (perhaps especially) Princeton). The other involves race. There aren't many other options.
What really grinds my gears is that SI gave this sign a positive review. It denigrates student-athletes, and it's incorrect.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 6, 2007 14:34:01 GMT -5
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 6, 2007 14:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by HealyHoya on Jun 6, 2007 15:42:41 GMT -5
Oh, and just to answer the question in the title of the thread: No.
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Post by Boz on Jun 6, 2007 15:42:48 GMT -5
Where's Al Sharpton when you need him?
Racism or not, I think this calls for an Imus-level assault on Sports Illustrated and the Duke campus.
Come on, Rev! Bring the thunder!
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Post by Dhall on Jun 6, 2007 15:59:48 GMT -5
Also loved the full page ad in the Washington Post last week congratulating the Duke lax team on dealing with adversity and having a great season. Yeah, they should be congratulated for bringing some lowlife strippers into a team party and having it get out of hand (even if the indicted players were clearly treated unfairly by the prosecutor).
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Post by aggypryd on Jun 6, 2007 16:31:39 GMT -5
Some of you will never know how much I hate them.
But it just grew by an exponent of 2.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jun 6, 2007 16:41:03 GMT -5
If Duke fans were really smart, they would've put it in the face of someone who actually played and ran the Princeton offense. But i digress.
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Post by aggypryd on Jun 6, 2007 16:46:02 GMT -5
Also loved the full page ad in the Washington Post last week congratulating the Duke lax team on dealing with adversity and having a great season. Yeah, they should be congratulated for bringing some lowlife strippers into a team party and having it get out of hand (even if the indicted players were clearly treated unfairly by the prosecutor). Still some things don't sit right with me about that case. More went on than the general public assumes.
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Post by aggypryd on Jun 6, 2007 16:50:07 GMT -5
Where's Al Sharpton when you need him? Racism or not, I think this calls for an Imus-level assault on Sports Illustrated and the Duke campus. Come on, Rev! Bring the thunder! It shouldn't be just black people running to the defense of other black people. The problem is when white people don't see anything wrong with stuff like this. If that were a black N.C. State player, or a black Arizona State player in that picture would we have been equally offended? We should be...
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jun 6, 2007 16:55:05 GMT -5
Based on last year's record, Princeton isn't capable of running the Princeton offense.
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Post by HealyHoya on Jun 6, 2007 17:09:46 GMT -5
I wrote a rather mild complaint to the editor of SI.com basically suggesting that perhaps this isn't the best pciture to 1) be publishing in the first place and 2) captioning with a light-hearted, encouraging sentence.
Thoughts?
Dear Michael-
My name is Andy Gray and I’m the Editor of SI on Campus and the person responsible for that picture. I just wanted to drop you a quick line and address your concerns.
While I see your point, I think you need to understand that the context of these pictures (and the whole SIOC page, for that matter) is light-hearted and fun. The sign was great – and I don’t think it had anything to do with race as much as innocent trash talk between schools. I don’t think it was an indictment on the players or their intelligence (or lack thereof). Actually, one could argue that Georgetown is a superior academic school to Duke in the first place.
Had there been some type of scandal involving Georgetown ’s basketball players not living up to academic standards or cheating or something to that effect, than I’d say the sign would be inappropriate. But in this case, it’s just good-natured fun. It had nothing to do with race as much as two top schools facing off against each other and the home team’s crowd giving their boys an advantage.
But thanks for writing in. It’s good to hear from our readers, even when it’s not under the best of circumstances.
Andy
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jun 6, 2007 17:32:23 GMT -5
"Had there been some type of scandal involving Georgetown ’s basketball players not living up to academic standards or cheating or something to that effect, than I’d say the sign would be inappropriate. But in this case, it’s just good-natured fun. It had nothing to do with race as much as two top schools facing off against each other and the home team’s crowd giving their boys an advantage."
I would say the exact opposite is the case. If there was actually some scandal, it would be funny.
"My sister goes to Duke..."
She looks exactly like his girlfriend, who is cute, so make of that what you will.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 6, 2007 18:24:42 GMT -5
RE: First Picture
What do you expect these people go to school on a converted plantation? I guess they've kept the plantation owner mentality.
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Post by fatthew on Jun 6, 2007 19:38:02 GMT -5
That sign doesn't bother me.
What bothers me are the pit stains on the girl in picture 12. Also, the gut on the girl in picture 3.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 6, 2007 19:55:15 GMT -5
"Had there been some type of scandal involving Georgetown ’s basketball players not living up to academic standards or cheating or something to that effect, than I’d say the sign would be inappropriate. But in this case, it’s just good-natured fun. It had nothing to do with race as much as two top schools facing off against each other and the home team’s crowd giving their boys an advantage." I would say the exact opposite is the case. If there was actually some scandal, it would be funny. "My sister goes to Duke..." She looks exactly like his girlfriend, who is cute, so make of that what you will. So he chose to date someone that looks exactly like his sister? that's a little akward.
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Post by Filo on Jun 6, 2007 20:19:08 GMT -5
I really don't think there is any racism in this one. The sign is actually slightly humorous since it is intended for Georgetown -- since Georgetown is near, but not quite at Princeton's level in terms of academic prestige, the sign was a decent dig, since it could grate on those GU student who might have an inferiority complex regarding the Ivy League schools. Along those lines, it would have been funny if it was intended for Duke, UVa or other high-quality academic schools. It would not have been funny at all if it was intended for 'Cuse, NC State, Arizona State, etc. since those schools are not even competitive with Princeton in terms of academics.
Of course, the unintended humor here is on the clown who made the sign, since one of the guys "running" the offense actually was accepted to Princeton. Doh.
Having said all that, given the racial overtones of the recent Duke lax scandal, the past racism that has been hurled at the Hoya program and the fact that the sign has been interpreted many different ways given this background, SI made a stupid decision to include the pcture.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 6, 2007 20:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by Locker on Jun 6, 2007 20:39:48 GMT -5
Here's the only somewhat over-the-top letter I fired off to SI: "To the editor: I don't know quite what to say about the SI On Campus Cameron Crazies photo gallery, which included a fairly shocking (for the year 2007) picture of a Duke student taunting a Georgetown player with a sign that read "You're Not Smart Enough to Run the Princeton Offense," along with a fawning caption awarding the student SI's highest marks for cleverness. You would have to be almost completely ignorant of the history of college hoops stereotypes -- and in particular those pertaining to Princeton and Georgetown basketball -- to assume that the insult to the intelligence of Georgetown's black student-athletes was 100% free of racial overtones. For some background, see, for example, this 2006 Slate article by New Republic Deputy Editor (and Princeton graduate) Richard Just: "But there was a problem with all this praise: It sounded a little too much like racial code. In basketball, white players are generally stereotyped as untalented but intelligent, hardworking, selfless, and disciplined—whereas black players are seen as naturally gifted but indolent and inclined toward selfish showboating. True, there was something cerebral about Princeton's system, and there was something worth celebrating about a style of play that required such discipline and selflessness. Where things got sticky, though, is that Princeton's teams consistently fielded at least four white starters. And so it was impossible to decipher where genuine appreciation for Princeton's (selfless, intelligent, disciplined, slow) style of offense ended and racial bias began. As a Tiger fan, you could never quite be sure whether the rest of the country was rooting for your team because of how they played or because of who they were. "Race is implicit," wrote Jonathan Tilove in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, 'for the Princeton game harkens back to a time when whites dominated the sport before black players pumped it up and took it over.'" www.slate.com/id/2138220/ What's next for SI On Campus -- a tribute to the fans who used to throw banana peels at Patrick Ewing? But I'm sure that was all just in good fun, too. For shame."
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