Feinstein's article on Duke athletics

[hoyarooter]

I urge everyone to read Potatohead's article on Duke athletics, attached to DFW's thread in the Pro Sports board. Truly incredible reading.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

incredible how? incredibly moving or incredibly ridiculous.

[SirSaxa]

hoyasincebirth said:

incredible how? incredibly moving or incredibly ridiculous.

Neither moving nor ridiculous. More like revealing...and unfavorable -- and from an alumnus no less.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

Again he's not covering us.

[FOTP]

Everyone is missing the obvious issue here...Bum has been trying to get personal interviews with the AD and others and has been denied at every turn. So he does his usual four year old child routine where he whines and then uses the power of the pen to get back at the people who won't take him seriously.

At least we know he's consistent at this point. Bum is seriously a child. It's almost comical to watch him twist in the wind.

[Deleted]

If nothing else, it gives me good reason to rock a classic avatar.

[AvantGuardHoya]

stpetersburghoya said:

Again he's not covering us.

Thank your lucky stars, bro!

[Gold Hoya]

BUM has been spouting off on this stuff for years on TK's radio show, so now he just put it online (did it even make the print edition?). Who cares about former President Nan Whoever? She must have vetoed him up for a distinguished alumni award ... or maybe she canceled his journalism class.

[BubbleVisionBiff]

cam said:

If nothing else, it gives me good reason to rock a classic avatar.

In the new photo next to his byline, is he using highlights, or is that just a mop of gray?

[kghoya]

feinstein's work is trash...he can't remove himself from the story so you have to figure that somewhere along the way somebody at duke crossed him and now he is taking out on them...

this dude is stale

[hifigator]

You know, the more I thihk about it, the more I realize that almost to a man you all offer nothing but criticism of journalists. Now I have certainly thrown my share of criticism in their direction at times and agree with much of your complaints. But aside from Bill Raftery, whom I guess you blindly defend since he is so pro-Hoya, you all seem to throw everyon else under the bus.

Much of this is to be expected. Guys like Feinstein and Jim Rome are controversial at best, and in my opinion, intentionally encourage the "heat." In my opinion guys like Billy Paker and Verne Lundquist are just simply bad. But no one has escaped your guys' wrath. Kornheiser, Patrick, Madden, Lampley, Berman, Steven A. Smith, Cowherd, JT the Brick, John Kincaid and many other sports journalists/writers/radio or TV hosts have all received virtually nothing but barbs from you all.

Just curious if there are a group of similar guys that you all enjoy or do you simply focus on the negative?

I have gone on record as saying I enjoy Cowherd, although I certainly don't come close to always agreeing with him. I can't stand Dan Patrick as he is so vanilla as to be unlistenable, but he does have good guests and theat helps a ton. Similarly, Jim Rome's abrasive style is often unpleasant, but he too is often saved by guests. A guy like Steve Elkington was absolutely hilarious wih his story telling ability.
Still, who if any of these types of personalities do you all actuall like?

[SFHoya99]

You do realize that only one or two of the people you mentioned are legitimately journalists? Radio talk show hosts, play by play announcers or color men are not journalists.

Personally, I like Kornheiser and Wilbon, Dan Patrick, Tom Boswell when he talks baseball, Steven A. Smith when he isn't screaming, Frank DeFord, Bill Raftery, Kevin Harlan, Gus Johnson, Peter Gammons (non-Red Sox version), Bob Ley, Marv Albert, Vin Scully, Jerry Coleman, Matt Vasgersian and many others.

The problem you have is:

a) you are collectively grouping 100 posters into one person -- of course one person in one hundred is going to hate someone,

b) you like people who say completely incorrect things and ignore facts to stir up debate.

[guru]

hifigator said:

You know, the more I thihk about it, the more I realize that almost to a man you all offer nothing but criticism of journalists. Now I have certainly thrown my share of criticism in their direction at times and agree with much of your complaints. But aside from Bill Raftery, whom I guess you blindly defend since he is so pro-Hoya, you all seem to throw everyon else under the bus.

Much of this is to be expected. Guys like Feinstein and Jim Rome are controversial at best, and in my opinion, intentionally encourage the "heat." In my opinion guys like Billy Paker and Verne Lundquist are just simply bad. But no one has escaped your guys' wrath. Kornheiser, Patrick, Madden, Lampley, Berman, Steven A. Smith, Cowherd, JT the Brick, John Kincaid and many other sports journalists/writers/radio or TV hosts have all received virtually nothing but barbs from you all.

Just curious if there are a group of similar guys that you all enjoy or do you simply focus on the negative?

I have gone on record as saying I enjoy Cowherd, although I certainly don't come close to always agreeing with him. I can't stand Dan Patrick as he is so vanilla as to be unlistenable, but he does have good guests and theat helps a ton. Similarly, Jim Rome's abrasive style is often unpleasant, but he too is often saved by guests. A guy like Steve Elkington was absolutely hilarious wih his story telling ability.
Still, who if any of these types of personalities do you all actuall like?

hifi, you are out of your element here.

You clearly don't know much, if anything, about the long and acrimonious relationship that exists between Georgetown basketball and one Mr. John "BumPotatoheadBitterBeerFace" Feinstein.

[hifigator]

Thanks for the input SF, and I know that "journalists" is not really the correct term. But most likely the majority of these guys came from a sports journalism background in some fashio or another, aside from the former athletes anyway. Yes I was lumping together sports columnists, sports analysts, color commentators, radio hosts and tv broadcasters together only for the purpose of this discussion. Almost all I ever hear anyone say is how bad this or that "sports personality commenter" is. Granted the specific medium which the individual employs varies, but the criticisms are often the same.

When I say I can't stand Packer and Lundquist it is primarily based on their obvious emotiional biases when they do many games. I don't think that is what National guys should do. Local guys or beat writers on the other hand, should have some degree of homer sentiment. In Packer's case, he is also the guy who was totally off base in suggesting Dupay made a dirty play against Mateen Cleaves. Cleaves himself said there was absolutely nothing wrong with the play, but even after the game Packer said something along the lines of he saw it his way, I saw it mine.
As far as radio personalities go, my view would be that you listen for one of two reasons:
1. to be informed
2. to be entertained

Obviously we will all occasionally hear someone mention something that we didn't know, but I listen to talk radio 99% of the time when I am in my car going somewhere and I am doing so for entertainment purposes. That being said, Colin Cowherd happens to be in the right time slot. And I do find him entertaining for the most part. His subject matter is mostly relevant and something in which I am interested. It is a fairly swift moving show that doesn't routinely get bogged down on one issue, and I especially enjoy the "Spanning the Globe" section where in rapid fire succession he talks to a half dozen or so other sports personalities who highlight current sports events in their particular location.

Again, I am not defending anyone in particular, I just couldn't help but notice that whenever any of these types of guys come up, the conversation is always negative and how bad they are at this or that. Like I mentioned before, it seems like Bill Raftery is the exception almost getting a free pass in your eyes. That is all I am saying/asking.

[hoyarooter]

hoyasincebirth said:

incredible how? incredibly moving or incredibly ridiculous.

Incredibly hilarious. You'll notice that I didn't reference the merits of the article. I just found Feinstein hurling salvos at Duke to be extremely entertaining. As bad as he has been with us over the years, I doubt that any one column contained anywhere near the level of vitriol of this one.

And hifi, your argument here is just completely lame, not to mention inaccurate. There have been many threads over the years discussing the merits or demerits of various announcers or reporters. As SF pointed out, everyone hates someone, but I would say there are only two that cause no division on this board. Everyone likes Raftery, and everyone hates Feinstein, and he has earned our wrath.

[hifigator]

guru said:

hifigator said:

You know, the more I thihk about it, the more I realize that almost to a man you all offer nothing but criticism of journalists. Now I have certainly thrown my share of criticism in their direction at times and agree with much of your complaints. But aside from Bill Raftery, whom I guess you blindly defend since he is so pro-Hoya, you all seem to throw everyon else under the bus.

Much of this is to be expected. Guys like Feinstein and Jim Rome are controversial at best, and in my opinion, intentionally encourage the "heat." In my opinion guys like Billy Paker and Verne Lundquist are just simply bad. But no one has escaped your guys' wrath. Kornheiser, Patrick, Madden, Lampley, Berman, Steven A. Smith, Cowherd, JT the Brick, John Kincaid and many other sports journalists/writers/radio or TV hosts have all received virtually nothing but barbs from you all.

Just curious if there are a group of similar guys that you all enjoy or do you simply focus on the negative?

I have gone on record as saying I enjoy Cowherd, although I certainly don't come close to always agreeing with him. I can't stand Dan Patrick as he is so vanilla as to be unlistenable, but he does have good guests and theat helps a ton. Similarly, Jim Rome's abrasive style is often unpleasant, but he too is often saved by guests. A guy like Steve Elkington was absolutely hilarious wih his story telling ability.
Still, who if any of these types of personalities do you all actuall like?

hifi, you are out of your element here.

You clearly don't know much, if anything, about the long and acrimonious relationship that exists between Georgetown basketball and one Mr. John "BumPotatoheadBitterBeerFace" Feinstein.

I will not even pretend to argue with you here, but from what I have heard, I don't think you have exactly cornered the market on his resentment. I must admit finding it mildly amusing about 5 years or so ago when he had his little spat with Duke and all of a sudden his articles on the Blue Devils were negative, but in any case, I have never been a fan of his suffice it to say.

And maybe I should have started a separate thread since I am more talking in general about your seemingly negative views of almost all journalists/tv and radio sports personalities.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

yeah the only two people who i see routinely bashed here are Dougie and feinstein. We often debate the pros and cons of our beat writers but besides that i don't see much of the uniform bashing you describe.

[hifigator]

hoyarooter said:

hoyasincebirth said:

incredible how? incredibly moving or incredibly ridiculous.

Incredibly hilarious. You'll notice that I didn't reference the merits of the article. I just found Feinstein hurling salvos at Duke to be extremely entertaining. As bad as he has been with us over the years, I doubt that any one column contained anywhere near the level of vitriol of this one.

And hifi, your argument here is just completely lame, not to mention inaccurate. There have been many threads over the years discussing the merits or demerits of various announcers or reporters. As SF pointed out, everyone hates someone, but I would say there are only two that cause no division on this board. Everyone likes Raftery, and everyone hates Feinstein, and he has earned our wrath.

Fair enough and let the record show that one John Junior Feinstein is not high on many lists down here either. Additionally, although Raftery is not my favorite, he is tons better than Packer and Lunkhead.

[Filo]

Raftery loves the Hoyas and the Big East, and happens to be entertaining and knowledgeable. So, of, course, it is truly astonishing that he gets a free pass around here -- on the board that discusses the HOYAS.

I guess we should see more stuff like, "That Raftery really needs to tone down his enthusiasm for the Hoyas" and "Man, Jay Bilas likes the Hoyas too much and I am really concerned about his objectivity."

Man, this board is just intellectually bankrupt, huh?

[AvantGuardHoya]

I wonder if all "journalists" get a pass on the Florida talk boards.... Or if some get criticized while others don't. I mean are we the only board that takes such folks to task? And with such a collective mentality! Amazing how we rarely totally agree on anything but are perceived to be as one on this. Yeah, okay.