Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Dec 7, 2004 17:10:36 GMT -5
I sat right behind the Hoyas' bench last night and really noticed something great (IMO) about Coach. He will get in the face of his players or bench them regardless of who they are or the situation.
A few examples:
- Bowman, after having scored 20 already, drives to the hoop and gets fouled to shoot free throws. JTIII gives him a stern talking to about how that was not a good play (despite the positive result).
- Owens, who hadn't played that poorly other than missing some shots, makes a weak pass that gets stolen and is replaced immediately so that JTIII could tell him what he did wrong on his way to the bench.
- Reed gets in the game and launches a 3 almost immediately. Never sees the floor again.
A Coach must be firm and institute discipline at all times to be successful and receive the respect of his players. But he needs to be a teacher at the same time and not just a screamer. There's someone who did this pretty well - John Thompson. JTIII showed me a lot last night in this regard and it's something that was missing the past few years.
I really hope he can develop Hibbert as that will be the key - Green is terrific but not strong enough to match up 40 minutes at the Center position with top teams. Hibbert's development would add a lot of options for our lineup. I remember my freshman year when Dikembe Mutombo really could not catch the ball and hardly saw action on the court - but he worked hard, took instruction well, focused on defense and rebounding first and I think we'd all agree that he turned out OK.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 7, 2004 17:59:34 GMT -5
I hope the stress of playing Illinois on 12/9 doesn't make JTIII do his best Coach Knapp impression.  |
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Post by chinatownfanclub on Dec 7, 2004 18:56:07 GMT -5
dhall? I didn't know Drew had extra time to monitor the board while playing at College of Charleston  |
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ShimmyJr
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Post by ShimmyJr on Dec 7, 2004 19:48:18 GMT -5
"that's crap!"
C. E. 2003
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Dec 8, 2004 7:34:56 GMT -5
The offensive system demands complete acceptance of its principles by the players. III has to be extra demanding of the players and yank them immediately to teach at this point in the season as every miscue or stupid decision effects the entire "system" (team on the floor) much more so than in more relaxed team concepts. Let's hope he never stops that type of teaching.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 8, 2004 22:41:40 GMT -5
You're right, a coach is just a teacherr for sports. However, there's a right and wrong way to approach teaching. Having not been able to witness JTIII in person, I'll trust members of this board and their opinions.
-JJ
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Post by bmartin on Dec 9, 2004 12:03:45 GMT -5
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 9, 2004 12:49:55 GMT -5
You know, when JTIII was hired, he was hired on the premise to restore Georgetown back to its winning ways as a program. "coaching" "teaching" is all empty rhetoric. Either you produce a winning program or you don't as a coach. Its that simple. I think JTIII is capable enough to "coach" and "teach" just fine. He has a track record.
In terms of the Pete Carrill quote, its bogus. You have to produce a winner, whether its in the Big East or the Mountain West conference, you have to produce a winning program, bottom line. In fact, I think JTIII will have an easier time to recruit players. Princeton didn't give scholarships. G'Town does. So even if Carrill's quote had some validity to it, having a better pool to recruit from, along with the, eh, "teaching" will go a long way.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 9, 2004 13:30:44 GMT -5
I love having an actual teaching coach as opposed to a recruiting coach.
If you look at the big time programs today, they are mostly a combination of good coaches and good recruiters, which should be obvious.
But here's the thing: good coaches, by winning, gradually upgrade their talent until they are good recruiters just by winning. Jim Calhoun. K. Bobby Knight. Tom Izzo. Ben Howland.
Coaches that are recruiting-driven: Donovan, Wright, Amaker, Snyder, Calipari rarely have sustained success. They are continually overrated and disappoint. Why? because good recruiting doesn't give you coaching ability.
But good coaching gives you recruiting ability.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 9, 2004 13:36:54 GMT -5
I love having an actual teaching coach as opposed to a recruiting coach. If you look at the big time programs today, they are mostly a combination of good coaches and good recruiters, which should be obvious. But here's the thing: good coaches, by winning, gradually upgrade their talent until they are good recruiters just by winning. Jim Calhoun. K. Bobby Knight. Tom Izzo. Ben Howland. Coaches that are recruiting-driven: Donovan, Wright, Amaker, Snyder, Calipari rarely have sustained success. They are continually overrated and disappoint. Why? because good recruiting doesn't give you coaching ability. But good coaching gives you recruiting ability. Couldn't agree more. That's why I thought Gtown came off better getting JT3 than St. John's who got Norm Roberts who may be a good Xs & Os coach but had more of a rep as a recruiter. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 9, 2004 13:39:30 GMT -5
You're right, a coach is just a teacherr for sports. However, there's a right and wrong way to approach teaching. Having not been able to witness JTIII in person, I'll trust members of this board and their opinions. -JJ is the best new handle/screen name in a long time. |
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Post by the_way on Dec 9, 2004 14:08:23 GMT -5
I disagree with the generalization of being a coach makes you a great recruiter. Their are different kind of coaches. Coach K and those guys HAD to recruit to get to the Final Fours, and National Championships. You think that terd Calhoun from UCONN doesn't recruit and rests on the fact he has 2 national titles. All I have to say is Rudy Gay, if you don't believe me.
Some coaches recruit great but can't coach, (i.e., Steve Fisher at Michigan with the Fab 5, and more all-americans later on, Steve Lavin with UCLA ). Even Gary Williams is known, in inner circles, as a poor recruiter, but he is a great coach with good assistants who can recruit (Dave Dickerson, etc.) Gary was always ridiculed for not getting the amount of All-americans like the Dukes and Kentucky's of the world. His philosophy was to get guys who worked hard, overacheived, and stayed four years. And it worked out for him, winning a National Title with Steve Blake and Juan Dixon, Larry Baxter, guys a lot of Top Programs weren't banging the doors down to get.
Recruiting has a lot to do with W and L's, but most importantly it has to do with the relationship between Coach and Player as well, that goes a long way.
In order to be succesfull you have to win, period. You can slice it and ice it all you want, but you have to win. JTIII can "coach" and "teach" and "recruit".
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 9, 2004 14:16:12 GMT -5
JohnJaquesLayup is the best new handle/screen name in a long time. Nothing like a good oxymoron. ;D |
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Dec 9, 2004 16:01:47 GMT -5
One of my first Hoya memories unfortunately involves John Jacques at the old cap center.
the_way: when you say "JTIII can 'coach' and 'teach' and 'recruit'" are you saying that the combination of all three DON'T equal winning? If JTIII has all of those qualities, is there any doubt that winning will follow? Are you saying there are other factors like lack of quality facilities and player's perception of the program that are also variables?
just curious . . .
-JJ
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