Bibby out at USC!

[MEGAFAN]

A rare firing in December (for the second straight year - see SJU and Jarvis)... Anybody else a little shocked by this decision? I thought Bibby was kinda untouchable, or at least, a forced resignation would be at hand.

Here's a link to the story:

sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=1939802

GO HOYAS!!! BEAT PSU!

[MCIGuy]

MEGAFAN said:

A rare firing in December (for the second straight year - see SJU and Jarvis)... Anybody else a little shocked by this decision? I thought Bibby was kinda untouchable, or at least, a forced resignation would be at hand.

Here's a link to the story:

sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=1939802

GO HOYAS!!! BEAT PSU!

That's crazy. I caught the tail end of a radio report about someone's firing but never heard the name of the coach. For it to be Bibby surprises me because I thought he had build a nice program at USC. I mean its a football school basking in the glow of new glory days. You would think the administration would be too preoccupied to fire the basketball coach in freakin' December.

[hoya4ever]

I am starting to think it wasn't his record that got him fired. Sure it could have been better the past two years but I agree with MCIguy, they are probably concentrating on football right now. Also, when they fire a coach for their coaching skills, usually their assistants go with them. Something else might have happened.

[SFHoya99]

Doyel article from a few weeks ago:

www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/7943195/1

[MCIGuy]

4ever, your avatar is a bunny rabbit! That's cute. But it ain't Easter. ;D

I agree that something else must be going on.

[hoya4ever]

MCIguy: LOL
The reason its a bunny rabbit is because I used to have many of them (like 8) when i was a kid.

[HoyaDestroya]

follow the fan debate at USC - sound familiar?

p212.ezboard.com/fuschoopsmessageboardfrm1

[MCIGuy]

hoya4ever said:

MCIguy: LOL
The reason its a bunny rabbit is because I used to have many of them (like 8) when i was a kid.

You're lucky. My mom wouldn't let me get a turtle when I was a kid. She got rid of my goldfish too. She bought a puppy for me and my sisters and after a day got so sick of the dog she gave it away. To the neighbors across the street!!!

So I got to see the dog grow up...from a distance of about 50 feet.

Later on a stray cat kept coming to our porch. We fed it everyday and it kept hanging around to a point it became our unofficial pet. After weeks of begging we finally convinced my mom to let us take in the cat. She said to us the next time the cat came around (which was about every couple of hours) we could keep it in the house for good and take it to the vet for shots.

Surprisingly...the cat NEVER returned. If I do enough digging I wonder if I will discover that "someone" in my family shipped the feline out to the French Foreign Legion.

So as you can see me and my sisters have effectively been traumatized for life.

[SirSaxa]

Question

Since the only two major-college hoops coaches in recent history who were fired in December are both African American, should that lead us to believe that these are additional examples -- like Tyrone Willingham -- that these institutions are racist? Looked at on the surface, why not? Only two are cut loose in December. One each of the past two years. Both black. Surely, that means something. The "evidence" is at least as clear as Willingham's, probably more so.

Except, St. John's had all those scandals associated with the team at that time, the W-L record wasn't great, and they hired another African American coach to replace the one they fired.

And at USC, Bibby had 9 years... some very successful. And he was fired by a Black AD.

The point? People can see what they want to see and believe what they wish. Do we need to have all these other circumstances exist with SJU and USC in order to "prove" there wasn't racism? Is it appropriate to assume racism on the part of ND even though they hired the guy in the first place?

I don't see any evidence of racism in any of these three examples.

But then, I never thought JT was a racist either, even though virtually every recruit he signed was black.

Of course racism exists -- in America, and everywhere in the world. Look no further than Rwanda. Many French don't like the Muslims in their midst. Many Japanese look down on Koreans. A lot of Irish people don't like the British. It exists everywhere. But that doesn't mean it exists in every one, or that it is appropriate to make accusations on the basis of circumstantial evidence. That is simply irresponsible.

[MCIGuy]

The difference is, whether its fair or not, there is still a stigma out there concerning Notre Dame when it comes to race.

The same can't be said for St. John's or USC. The fact that USC has a black AD and the fact that Bibby was not the first black head coach ever at the school buffers it from charges of racism. Again that may not be the most fair way to judge but that's the way many people will see it. Nevertheless the timing of Bibby's firing is horrible and the AD should be criticized sharply for it.

As for Jarvis, not only were his teams starting to lose, the off court actions of his players were becoming more of a problem for St. John's and its reputation. Can the same be said for Willingham? No. Also Jarvis, who had already coached past his original contract cutoff I believe (before he got an extension) was publicly critical of the school not putting enough money into the program as well as trying to negotiate his next contract with St John's through the news media. Willingham may have been a snob deep down but he handled himself with way more class than that phony Jarvis character.

[EasyEd]

MCI - just be glad your mother did not allow you to have a turtle (i.e. Terrapin, Terp). Smart mother.

[hoyarooter]

Bibby has had major problems with player relations for years. He treated his players poorly in many cases, and was particularly unfair to walk-ons. I would therefore speculate (and I stress this is total speculation) that he has been having additional run-ins with players, and it finally became too much for Mike Garrett (AD and former Heisman winner) to take.

[DFW HOYA]

USC is also a year away from opening a new 10,500 seat arena on campus after decades at the less than modern L.A. Sports Arena.

They've got an entire season to gear up to recruit a major name coach.