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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 3, 2004 17:50:06 GMT -5
I don't know if everyone is aware of this, but as someone whose family lives less than a mile from the campus of Oral Roberts I just wanted to let everyone know that this game will be a good measurement of where Georgetown is as a program. Here's my analysis:
Both ORU and GU have limited recruiting ability - GU because of academics, ORU because of religion.
Both ORU and GU have terrible facilities - at least ORU's is on campus, but its falling apart and they can't use it as a practice facility because it doubles as the place where Evangelical Christian religious services are taped and broadcast out of (http://www.orugoldeneagles.com/index.php?well_id=2&url_publish_channel_id=424&PHPSESSID=244c01cbe8255a423afd1210aa9f42d5)
Both GU and ORU have had past success on the basketball court - ORU in the later 70's and early 80's and under former head coach Bill Self - GU under JTII.
Both have coaches that are the sons of two great college basketball coaches - JTIII and Scott Sutton - both of whom are looking to prove that they can step outside of their father's lengthy shadows (although I believe JTIII had done much more that Sutton to show that he is more than his father's son).
Both ORU and GU need to hit the three to run all dimensions of their offense. ORU relies on Tutt, while GU seems to ride the hot hand in the last few games.
While I think the Hoyas are more athletic than the Golden Eagles of ORU it will be a much better measure of where we are at as a program than a comparisson to Illisnois (number 1), Penn State (football school), or San Jose State (cancelling the program).
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 3, 2004 17:54:11 GMT -5
Is San Jose State really cancelling their program? wow
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Post by SFOHoya on Dec 3, 2004 18:14:10 GMT -5
Is San Jose State really cancelling their program? wow I have yet to read anything about SJSU cancelling their basektball program. Football, on the other hand, is on life-support with quarterly articles in the SJ Mercury News about it being shut down. I believe the faculty voted to do so, but the administration has stated that the program will endure, for now. In my opinion, the Spartan football program should be put out of its misery.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 3, 2004 19:01:21 GMT -5
Thanks St Petersburg, good info. Although I have to say, based on those pictures, your facilities don't look that bad. While I haven't seen ALL of McDonough, I've seen most of it - court, offices, training room, etc, and I'm pretty sure we don't have a practice gym lurking in there anywhere. Gotta been a pain in the ass sharing the place for evangelical services though. Nonetheless, glad to be playing ORU in Hawaii, it should be a good game which I will be unable to watch . As for San Jose State, I think St Petersburg may be referring to football. Growing up in the area, I know that the program is put on a five year or so deadline to meet a certain attendance standard, I think 15,000-20,000, or else it's going to gonna cut it. I can't see them doing that for basketball though. Cutting TWO major sports would just be suicide. As horrible as SJSU has been in basketball the past few years, they did make it to the NCAA tourney 5 or 6 years back. They get less than 1,000 fans for some of their games, however, so that with their recent record makes me think their program is definitely not healthy.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 3, 2004 19:51:20 GMT -5
Don't be so sure about that practice gym not lurking somewhere in the depths of McDonough.
There actually is a really small gym in the back areas of McDonough. It is just surround by walls (no seating or anything) and it is definitely not the size of a normal floor. However, there are 2 baskets and a shortened (length and width wise) full court.
I know because they did the video shoot in there last year for the intro at basketball games and they tried to get some wild fans to come and be a part of the video. The communication was terrible and last minute so there were only like 5 students and we never made the video.
However, I did get to see Brandon do his patented "Its Game Time" in person, haha.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 3, 2004 19:58:04 GMT -5
Yeah, the ORU facilities aren't bad to be quite honest. I was impressed by the locker room and the Champions room.
As for the arena, whats with that cage around the outside of the court that separates it from the seating and makes it look like a bull ring?
They could have used one of those in Detroit.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 4, 2004 19:43:36 GMT -5
On the SJSU sports programs that is my bad - they aren't cancelling all D1 programs, but football is gone and there is talk that the WAC may ask them to leave the conference (there was a story about it in the Tulsa World) - and when you have to leave the WAC because of being non-competitive you have some serious problems.
Kurt is right - there is a practice gym in McDonough, the weight room looks similar to ours, the cage around the court actually speaks more to how old the MaBee Center actually is, and the MaBee Center where ORU plays its home games is usually less than 1/2 full and pieces of concrete have fallen off the roof (not when there was a game being played or a service going on, but nevertheless it has structural problems and the University doesn't have the money to fix it).
Which brings me to my next point - neither ORU or GU can raise money for their athletic programs to save their lives despite their past traditions - I think I forgot to mention that, but the areas of commonality go even further.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 4, 2004 19:46:00 GMT -5
I also forgot, McDonough does have rooms in it that are similar to the Champions room, its on the second floor. They have a big screen TV, lots of chairs, and a chalk board.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 4, 2004 19:55:01 GMT -5
Yeah, except that team room with the big screen TV and desks straight blows caompared to a thing like the champions room in those ORU pics.
The room you are talking about is basically equivalent to a crappy classroom in Walsh with a big screen TV at the front and some desks that have G-Logo cushions.
That champions room in the ORU pics isnt amazing, but its much, much better than the team room at the top of the stairs in McDonough.
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