Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 28, 2007 9:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by VictorSkyPage on Feb 28, 2007 9:24:48 GMT -5
lots of good stuff...
I really like the part about Roy -- it is getting maddening at this point and you have to wonder when the big guy is gonna wake up; no better time than now
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Post by casualhoya on Feb 28, 2007 9:29:15 GMT -5
Great stuff as always from Barker.
Not sure Camille even knows what an entry pass is.
Casually.
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Post by ephoya04 on Feb 28, 2007 9:36:23 GMT -5
That was just wonderfully written and spot on...Bilas said some similar stuff last night on PTI during 5 good minutes when asked if we were exposed or if it was a one game aberation and he basically said we are one of the 5 or 6 best teams in the country but we ran in to a buzz saw that night.
It was the right time for a wake-up call certainly.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 28, 2007 9:43:25 GMT -5
"When you're 7-foot-2 and somewhat protected by the Big East player of the year (Green), those numbers are unacceptable. "
I'm gonna go MCIGuy style right now and say a few things in Roy's defense:
1) The Refs have been very effective about calling Roy for touch fouls leading to early foul trouble.
2) The team has not made a concerted effort to get him the ball in the last few games, except for the Nova game, where his foul trouble was more the problem.
3) Jeff doesn't protect Roy--Roy protects Jeff. No one is double and triple teaming Jeff--the defenses are concentrating on stopping Roy in the post. I really believe Roy makes our offense go--Jeff may be the best player/crunch time guy, but our offense gets real ugly when Roy isn't involved, even when Jeff is taking over (see @nova)
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 28, 2007 9:56:51 GMT -5
TBird - I would also add 4) Roy has been getting completely beat up down in the paint, even further reducing his ability to get the ball. The refs have allowed it, and Roy has not been able to fight back as much b/c of point #1.
But I still think Roy has to take some of the blame here, for the reasons Barker pointed out.
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jacko
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Post by jacko on Feb 28, 2007 9:58:40 GMT -5
Beat me to it, TBird... Cincinnati and Villanova's defenses weren't focused on stopping Jeff. He and Roy protect each other, but I think Jeff benefits more from this since Roy draws more defensive attention.
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Post by VictorSkyPage on Feb 28, 2007 10:46:40 GMT -5
Beat me to it, TBird... Cincinnati and Villanova's defenses weren't focused on stopping Jeff. He and Roy protect each other, but I think Jeff benefits more from this since Roy draws more defensive attention. that's a valid point... I agree that we can't just totally dump on Roy, his presence is felt all over the court even when he's not putting up the stats (although this contributes to his feeling that he can block every shot, which is keyed on by Barker - he needs to just be a little smarter in that area).. I really hope these last few games are getting the kid's blood boiling |
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Post by FOTP on Feb 28, 2007 10:50:13 GMT -5
Every team looks to stop Roy first. It could open up the rest of the floor, but Roy is actually not a great passer out of the low post.
He is a very good passer on back door cuts and otherwise, but it seems like he "thinks" too much in the low post and then gets a little flustered with double teams.
He's learning though and will be fine.
We just need our 3-7 guys to hit some shots and everything opens up. When JW and JS hit a couple of shots the whole game is different.
We're fine. Rough game Monday, but not insane. At leat we didn't pull a Florida on teh road and go down by 20 in the first half.
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Post by VictorSkyPage on Feb 28, 2007 11:01:09 GMT -5
He's learning though and will be fine. We're fine. Rough game Monday, but not insane. At leat we didn't pull a Florida on teh road and go down by 20 in the first half. I like to take the viewpoint that he's still learning as well, and I think that's all you can do at this point, but he's been learning for some time now - you have to wonder if he will have true consistency at any point... also, that florida game makes me feel alot better, for a few reasons first is that I no longer think that they are on a different level from the rest of the competition (even though we should have beaten them last year, i still felt like their depth, etc. was just too much and that they would win again - that thought is fading for me and although they pulled this act last year, the field just seems more wide open and the hoyas are that much better).. also, I believe that Cuse and Tennessee are comparable teams (I think Cuse is better) and the Cuse game was a much tougher environment than that game for Florida last night. The winning streak and the travel/fatigue of our recent stretch just caught up to us and we ran into a buzzsaw in every sense (as bilas said).. I thought Florida would have been hungry for a W last night against the vols after performing the way they have and they just didnt really show up (at least we were there for the Cuse game).. so in summation, I just feel good that the elite teams in the nation aren't really separated by anything and the Hoyas' chances to win a title are very real. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 28, 2007 12:01:12 GMT -5
If Roy isn't getting shots but has 10 boards and altering shots, Roy is still having a good game. Against Cuse, he played twenty minutes and only had two boards, I believe. Not the best of days.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 28, 2007 12:19:30 GMT -5
If Roy isn't getting shots but has 10 boards and altering shots, Roy is still having a good game. I agree with this statement, but I still don't think he should be getting 5 touches near the hoop per game. Roy does ALOT more than just scoring...and to be fair to him, he alters shots when he confronts a driving opponent or a jump-shooter from the corner, etc, so him being out of position for rebounds, while true, is often a product of his aggressiveness in contesting shots, which more often than not, alters those same shots. I hope that made sense. its got to be one or the other with Roy...either he should stay at home in the paint and only contest shots/drives within 5 ft of the basket, so he can get rebbies, or he can be more active on defense in contesting on the perimeter, etc. it just seems like our defense breeds the latter. so this goes back to my original point that, while roy can contribute in a number of ways, i just can't stand the fact that he doesnt get touches around the hoop more...and one last time, it ISNT that he doesnt flash to a spot and get position...he isnt getting the entry pass when it needs to be served up. |
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Post by FOTP on Feb 28, 2007 12:19:35 GMT -5
Don't forget that Roy is VERY young even for his class and really has had a couple of years to learn about low post play.
Pretty tough. Big men take longer to "get it" and learn to play with confidence down low without thinking.
He's going to be VERY good and is pretty damn good right now.
Just a rough game all around. I love having all the time off to let it stew. Saturday and then another 4 days to rest before teh Big East and then another (hopefully) 4 or 5 days to rest depending on the Thurs/Fri game in the dance.
All good things for us. No tired legs.
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Post by paranoya on Feb 28, 2007 12:45:23 GMT -5
TBird - I would also add 4) Roy has been getting completely beat up down in the paint, even further reducing his ability to get the ball. The refs have allowed it, and Roy has not been able to fight back as much b/c of point #1. But I still think Roy has to take some of the blame here, for the reasons Barker pointed out. If Roy could use his lower body better and bulked up down there he wouldnt be pushed around so easy, something I have been saying all season. He needs to get position and HOLD that position. But as someone said he is learning and I expect lower body strength will be a big point of emphasis in the off season and if Roy continues on his off season learning curve he will be more than alright. |
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Post by FOTP on Feb 28, 2007 12:50:08 GMT -5
His learning curve over the past couple of years has been stunning and we should all appreciate the amount of work he has put in to make himself great.
Every game and offseason is huge for him. His progress and the work by the coaching staff is unreal.
He's a 19 year old junior who was hurt most of his high school years and could barely get up and down the floor his freshman year. Now he's a first round draft pick and candidate for player of the year and can play 35 minutes a game.
Thank you Roy for all your hard work and desire...we love ya.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Feb 28, 2007 13:21:02 GMT -5
TBird - I would also add 4) Roy has been getting completely beat up down in the paint, even further reducing his ability to get the ball. The refs have allowed it, and Roy has not been able to fight back as much b/c of point #1. But I still think Roy has to take some of the blame here, for the reasons Barker pointed out. If Roy could use his lower body better and bulked up down there he wouldnt be pushed around so easy, something I have been saying all season. He needs to get position and HOLD that position. But as someone said he is learning and I expect lower body strength will be a big point of emphasis in the off season and if Roy continues on his off season learning curve he will be more than alright. From last season to this season, Roy lost 20 some pounds of fat and gained 20 some pounds of muscle. He is certainly on the road to "bulking up" but remember this kid wasn't a can't miss, 5 star, McD AA coming out of high school. Now that he is stunningly good, people are beginning to raise the bar a little, which is good, but we shouldn't forget where he came from, either. |
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Post by paranoya on Feb 28, 2007 14:03:32 GMT -5
From last season to this season, Roy lost 20 some pounds of fat and gained 20 some pounds of muscle. He is certainly on the road to "bulking up" but remember this kid wasn't a can't miss, 5 star, McD AA coming out of high school. Now that he is stunningly good, people are beginning to raise the bar a little, which is good, but we shouldn't forget where he came from, either. Oh I do and I am grateful for his hard work and determination. I was just raising a point of what I would like to see next in his line of progression. I did not mean to take away from anything he has already accomplished which is a tremendous amount. As I stated I expect this will fully be addressed in the off season and I know Roy will be working as hard as ever to improve upon it. |
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Feb 28, 2007 14:18:46 GMT -5
From last season to this season, Roy lost 20 some pounds of fat and gained 20 some pounds of muscle. He is certainly on the road to "bulking up" but remember this kid wasn't a can't miss, 5 star, McD AA coming out of high school. Now that he is stunningly good, people are beginning to raise the bar a little, which is good, but we shouldn't forget where he came from, either. Oh I do and I am grateful for his hard work and determination. I was just raising a point of what I would like to see next in his line of progression. I did not mean to take away from anything he has already accomplished which is a tremendous amount. As I stated I expect this will fully be addressed in the off season and I know Roy will be working as hard as ever to improve upon it. If Roy continues his typical off-season progression, he is going to eat most of college basketball as a small afternoon snack. It seems like he has taken his best games as a freshman and turned them into his average game as a sophomore and his best games as a sophomore and turned them into his an average junior year game. Can you imagine if Cinnncinnati/Marquette Roy is 'average' Roy next year?? |
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 28, 2007 14:49:00 GMT -5
ggood points however what ive noticed and tell me if im wrong the games roy does well offensively isnot whenhe either stays at the foul lins and passes or down on the low post when he tries to get the ball BUT WHEN HE MOVES AROUND SIDE TO SIDE AND OR PICK AND ROLL AT THE FOUL LINE OR GIVE AND GO THENHE SCORES SCORES NOT SURE IF THIS IF COACHES DIRECTIONS OR HIBBS but roy pleasse be aggreesssive and move PICK AND ROLL AND GIVE AND GO THEN YOU SCORE SCORE GO HOYAS WHATA I KNOW I SCORED NO POINTS ALL YEAR IN MY GRAD SCHOOL INTRMURAL TEAM WE WON THE GRAD SCHOOL LEAGUE BUT LICHOYA NO POINTS AT ALL SO CANT REALY TALK BUT CAN SEE GO HOYAS BEAT UCONN ITSMY FREAKING BIRTHDAY ANDTEN YEARS IS ENOUGH IN FACT TOOOOOOO MUCH
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