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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Feb 8, 2007 15:35:45 GMT -5
A bunch of ESPN columnists got together to do a mock NCAA tourney selection committee, and decided we were a 10 seed. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/indexunbelievable. talk about a lack of respect. There's no better indicator of why we must mop up the floor with Marquette, who was a #2 seed, incidently. Really, how do you put the #2 team in the big east a freakin' 10 seed. |
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Post by ilovescruggs on Feb 8, 2007 15:41:38 GMT -5
That is frankly ludicrous, but maybe they just want to see us paste OSU in the second round again?
If I thought Forde had a brain I'd be more concerned for starters. I remember I e-mailed him like two years ago asking about Georgetown's recruiting efforts over the past two season and if he'd heard anything about GU's recruiting post-Esh. He said something along the lines of ... "it's quiet and if you expect a quick turnaround you're kidding yourself."
Maybe I'll write him again and tell him that my new friends Vernon, Dajuan, Chris and Austin say hello.
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Post by Filo on Feb 8, 2007 15:52:17 GMT -5
Absolutely ludicrous that tje Hoyas did not make the first cut of the top 34/36 teams selected. But it shows that apparently, the so-called "sports"-writers have not yet recognized GU as being back yet. The Hoyas need to keep up the good work and shove this crap back in their faces.
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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Feb 8, 2007 15:56:08 GMT -5
My biggest beef with these Editeds is that there's no mechanism to shove it back in their faces. Someone that's more web-savvy than I should start up a website dedicated to dogging everyone that talks bad about us. We need to strike now before people climb on the bandwagon.
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Post by revsly on Feb 8, 2007 16:00:19 GMT -5
I just saw this and was shocked after reading the article to see how low their opinion of GTown is apparently. Obviously they are not watching games if they have us as a #10 and ND as a #9. Absolutely ridiculous. I cannot believe they made it seem as if we were one of the last teams in, or at least lot in the top half. Just wow. They took Clemson over us... are you kidding me?
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 8, 2007 16:06:46 GMT -5
I just can't logically comprehend. Among other disgraces, Nova's a 6 seed?
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 8, 2007 16:11:39 GMT -5
Hate to break it to you but, record aside, we don't really have a quality win yet. Louisville was a big step in the right direction, Vandy and Michigan were great road wins as well, and Notre Dame was a blowout. However, we don't have a quality win. We are 0-4 against the Top 25 RPI because we also haven't stepped up to the big challenges (@ Duke, @ Pitt) and lost at HOME to to other tourney teams ('Nova and Oregon). And we do have a relatively bad loss in ODU as well. Finally, let's not forget that the Big East is not exactly a strong conference, numberswise or otherwise.
We're on a great win streak, but they are all teams we should have beaten anyway. We need to make a statement over the next three weeks, and that statement can start Saturday against Marquette.
We don't get respect because we haven't done anything to really earn it. While it would be nice to get some more positive press, I don't think it is surprising that we don't get it nationally yet. And I certainly don't think it warrants some of the language and vitriol that you all are using.
Am I trashing us or am I concerned? No, of course not, because some of those early challenges were intented to toughen us up for the in-conference games against the top competition that matters most. I'd much rather beat the Top 25 RPI team in February, and as I said a couple of months, I'd much rather lose in December than in February or March. And some of this is out of our control -- our Big East schedule just happened to be backloaded with the tough games.
The Hoyas are poised to to make the next two months quite memorable. Let's leave it to the Hoyas to show up the press by their deeds.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Feb 8, 2007 16:17:18 GMT -5
why do some of you react to stuff like mock brackets? who cares!!!
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Post by casualhoya on Feb 8, 2007 16:19:44 GMT -5
I actually found the article quite informative, and I wouldn't put too much (read: ANY) stock in those seedings...
Casually.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Feb 8, 2007 16:24:51 GMT -5
Hate to break it to you but, record aside, we don't really have a quality win yet. Louisville was a big step in the right direction, Vandy and Michigan were great road wins as well, and Notre Dame was a blowout. However, we don't have a quality win. We are 0-4 against the Top 25 RPI because we also haven't stepped up to the big challenges (@ Duke, @ Pitt) and lost at HOME to to other tourney teams ('Nova and Oregon). And we do have a relatively bad loss in ODU as well. Finally, let's not forget that the Big East is not exactly a strong conference, numberswise or otherwise. Katz writes that Georgetown & Texas were competing for spot #36: "The argument against the Longhorns at this point was that Texas' best win came at Texas Tech, a team not yet in the field. Still, the losses in triple-overtime at Oklahoma State, in overtime at Tennessee" How are ND & @ Vandy not quality wins in comparison to @ Texas Tech?? We don't have a "quality win" this year like we did last year when we beat Duke, true. But crushing two tournament teams and losing to three others isn't too shabby when compared to Texas' resume. If ND/@vandy aren't quality wins then in no way does Texas' win over Texas Tech count as quality either. |
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Post by FOTP on Feb 8, 2007 16:25:23 GMT -5
Just ignore it. These idiots just look at RPI. We were #37 in the RPI at the time so that = 10 seed.
Who cares...just keep winning and the bandwagon will give us back problems...
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Post by Boz on Feb 8, 2007 16:29:10 GMT -5
Correction: we are the #3 team in the Big East.....
....at least for a couple more days.
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Post by hoyatmf on Feb 8, 2007 16:34:38 GMT -5
I would put a lot of stock in those seedings. This mock bracket just highlights the importance of the next stretch. Quality wins means everything! We need to beat Pitt and/or Marquette before anyone takes us seriously. Duke was such a big win last year that some would say it resurrected our program. I specifically remember one of our recruits for next year saying watching that atmosphere and the victory against Duke helped sway him to pick the Hoyas. None of the sports writers have watched as much of the Hoyas as we have. They can't tell we are a good team just by looking at numbers. Getting a double-digit win total in the Big East will get us in to the dance, but without at least one or two statement wins against the RPI Top 25 (we still have plenty of chances-Pitt, Marq, Nova, BET) we will get a terrible seed. And we will deserve a terrible seed. If we cannot play and beat tournament quality teams, then we need to temper all of this enthusiasm. I love this team and they have looked really good, but I can't moan about how crappy Duke is when they beat us head to head. We can't talk about winning the Big East or going far in the tourney until we beat a Marquette or a Pittsburgh. The last few games were good because we avoided screwing up. This next stretch is going to be more imporant because it shows if we can actually step up. Big wins have a greater impact on your tourney profile than losses to mediocre teams. We need to start getting some big wins. Saturday is definitely an opportunity to do that. Let's take advantage and beat Marquette. Go Hoyas!!!!
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Feb 8, 2007 16:45:20 GMT -5
I would put a lot of stock in those seedings. This mock bracket just highlights the importance of the next stretch. Quality wins means everything! We need to beat Pitt and/or Marquette before anyone takes us seriously. Duke was such a big win last year that some would say it resurrected our program. I specifically remember one of our recruits for next year saying watching that atmosphere and the victory against Duke helped sway him to pick the Hoyas. None of the sports writers have watched as much of the Hoyas as we have. They can't tell we are a good team just by looking at numbers. Getting a double-digit win total in the Big East will get us in to the dance, but without at least one or two statement wins against the RPI Top 25 (we still have plenty of chances-Pitt, Marq, Nova, BET) we will get a terrible seed. And we will deserve a terrible seed. If we cannot play and beat tournament quality teams, then we need to temper all of this enthusiasm. I love this team and they have looked really good, but I can't moan about how crappy Duke is when they beat us head to head. We can't talk about winning the Big East or going far in the tourney until we beat a Marquette or a Pittsburgh. The last few games were good because we avoided screwing up. This next stretch is going to be more imporant because it shows if we can actually step up. Big wins have a greater impact on your tourney profile than losses to mediocre teams. We need to start getting some big wins. Saturday is definitely an opportunity to do that. Let's take advantage and beat Marquette. Go Hoyas!!!! I agree completely. The thing I don't agree with was putting a Texas team whose quality win is Texas Tech (and also has two "quality losses") ahead of us. Katz broke down the methodology and it was garbage. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 8, 2007 16:54:32 GMT -5
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 8, 2007 16:59:56 GMT -5
It's actually the same. The NCAA invited 20 members of the US Basketball Writers Assn to do the mock bracket selection yesterday, so this same bracket is probably going to show up in a bunch of outlets.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 8, 2007 17:01:41 GMT -5
Hate to break it to you but, record aside, we don't really have a quality win yet. Louisville was a big step in the right direction, Vandy and Michigan were great road wins as well, and Notre Dame was a blowout. However, we don't have a quality win. We are 0-4 against the Top 25 RPI because we also haven't stepped up to the big challenges (@ Duke, @ Pitt) and lost at HOME to to other tourney teams ('Nova and Oregon). And we do have a relatively bad loss in ODU as well. Finally, let's not forget that the Big East is not exactly a strong conference, numberswise or otherwise. We're on a great win streak, but they are all teams we should have beaten anyway. We need to make a statement over the next three weeks, and that statement can start Saturday against Marquette. We don't get respect because we haven't done anything to really earn it. While it would be nice to get some more positive press, I don't think it is surprising that we don't get it nationally yet. And I certainly don't think it warrants some of the language and vitriol that you all are using. Am I trashing us or am I concerned? No, of course not, because some of those early challenges were intented to toughen us up for the in-conference games against the top competition that matters most. I'd much rather beat the Top 25 RPI team in February, and as I said a couple of months, I'd much rather lose in December than in February or March. And some of this is out of our control -- our Big East schedule just happened to be backloaded with the tough games. The Hoyas are poised to to make the next two months quite memorable. Let's leave it to the Hoyas to show up the press by their deeds. Yeah, but... The article is saying we're one of the last 4 teams in. I don't think anyone can say were a top 4 seed, but to barely squeak in (to an early February mock bracket granted) seems a bit much. |
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Post by GUMBA on Feb 8, 2007 17:03:34 GMT -5
If we beat Marquette on Saturday we will move up dramatically in the polls and the mock brackets. Most of the teams with five losses right now are in the 8 to 11 seed range. We should probably be at an 8 right now but it takes time to move back up once you are out of the top 25 for a number of weeks. Need another quality win for sure.
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 8, 2007 17:25:41 GMT -5
Yeah, but... The article is saying we're one of the last 4 teams in. I don't think anyone can say were a top 4 seed, but to barely squeak in (to an early February mock bracket granted) seems a bit much. Last 4 in does seem like a bit much given how good we've been in Big East play ('Nova notwithstanding). Particularly when we all remember a time not so long ago when even the "should wins" were not games we necessarily won. I'm just saying that from a numbers perspective, there's not much there yet. Now, whether other teams warranted a place above us is certainly a point for debate. Right now you can pretty easily seed the Top 4 in each bracket but beyond that there isn't much to differentiate #17 from #34/35. Right now I think there are a lot of teams that fit into the "last four" box -- particularly in our own conference. Pardon the lame expression, but in this case it is fitting -- the next three weeks will separate the men from the boys. |
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Post by Filo on Feb 8, 2007 17:26:48 GMT -5
I usually ignore stuff like this, but this one concerned me a bit since it shows that people who supposedly follow college hoops still ave the Hoyas as a bubble team. Based on the "no quality wins" approach that some are describing, the Hoyas really have only 2 more definite opportunities for "quality wins" (Marquette and Pitt). It is arguable that West Virginia and 'Nova will be quality wins, since I am not yet convinced they are going to make the tournament.
I don't know, the whole thing is bizarre. I mean 'Nova is not even .500 in the BE yet they skated in, at a 6 seed, no less) because of "quality wins" over Oklahoma and Texas?
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