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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 8, 2007 11:16:29 GMT -5
Bill Martin. Same long, lean frame. He can flash to the middle and hit that 15-footer, go down to the baseline for a jumper, and when he got the ball at the free throw line, turned and dumped it to Roy for the slam, I saw visions of Martin and Patrick. Summers already has a stronger frame than Martin, and if he hits the weight room in the off-season he will be a tremendous force for the rest of his years here.
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Post by GULaw on Feb 8, 2007 11:25:35 GMT -5
I had to laugh -- before clicking on your post, I thought, "Bill Martin," only to see you making that comparison. I agree, but think Summers has more shooting range than Martin ever did.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 8, 2007 11:56:49 GMT -5
I had to laugh -- before clicking on your post, I thought, "Bill Martin," only to see you making that comparison. I agree, but think Summers has more shooting range than Martin ever did. The shooting range is definitely different - although back then they didn't have the 3, so there was not as much incentive for Martin to develop that type of range.
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Post by YB on Feb 8, 2007 12:05:02 GMT -5
I'd actually say he reminds me a bit more of Reggie Williams. Lanky, good shooter, tough. Perfect add to this team, as a freshman. Hopefully we get to see him as a finished product down the line!
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Post by Boz on Feb 8, 2007 12:14:53 GMT -5
No need to delve into the history books on this one. Summers reminds me of Jeff Green.
More aggressive than Jeff, not as good of a passer or ball handler (yet), but overall the same complete package of skills inside and outside.
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Post by Jack on Feb 8, 2007 12:30:11 GMT -5
No need to delve into the history books on this one. Summers reminds me of Jeff Green. More aggressive than Jeff, not as good of a passer or ball handler (yet), but overall the same complete package of skills inside and outside. The quick redirect pass to Hibbert for a jam in the final minutes was great, and Elmore's recognition of DS smiling as he ran back up on D was very encouraging. It will be great if he can develop the same eye and appreciation for a good pass that Green has.
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Post by RDF on Feb 8, 2007 12:42:03 GMT -5
Summers has the potential to be one of the best players to EVER play at GU. He's a combo of Jeff Green and Reggie Williams and he's only going to get better. The difference in the more celebrated recruits is subtle in skills but it's the ATTITIUDE/CONFIDENCE they play with. For instance, Summers, Rivers, and Macklin have all faced most of the peers they see now in AAU/Summer play for years and all have had success. Rivers was lowest rated player and if you look back at summer prior to his JR year, he was rated as one of the top 20 players at the Nike Camp. They make mistakes like any FR will, but they believe they will not only make a play, but they look to do so. Even with Ticket, when he's in, he doesn't panic with ball in his hands, despite not being a perimter threat--he doesn't heave some junk up--he makes a pass--he is a very good passer/finds open man well and doesn't panic when doubled. DaJuan is most confident and his 4 minutes of TERROR was my favorite sequence last night because that is type of thing that takes a competitive team into a championship caliber team--more threats you have, the better your chances to win--and most guys don't want ball in tight spots--DaJuan not only WANTED it, he was playing with a chip on his shoulder like "BLEEP THIS--we're WINNING THIS DAMN GAME, give me the ball!"---that had me fired up and throwing sandwiches and milkshakes all over the place. ;D
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Post by 1227 on Feb 8, 2007 12:50:43 GMT -5
His bulk is three times that of Reggie's!
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Feb 8, 2007 13:01:13 GMT -5
I think were hyping Summers a bit too much. I think he has great potential and is playing well right now don't get me wrong, but I would like to see a bit more improvement in shot selection, passing ability, three point shot and decision making before we put him on the same level as some of the GU greats. These are all things he can improve on, but I think we need to keep our expectations for Summers in the ballpark.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 8, 2007 13:15:18 GMT -5
id go with a bigger reggie not a billly ;D
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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Feb 8, 2007 13:16:51 GMT -5
I think were hyping Summers a bit too much. I think he has great potential and is playing well right now don't get me wrong, but I would like to see a bit more improvement in shot selection, passing ability, three point shot and decision making before we put him on the same level as some of the GU greats. These are all things he can improve on, but I think we need to keep our expectations for Summers in the ballpark. Didn't he have four assists last night? That pass to Roy was sick.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 8, 2007 14:19:35 GMT -5
The last time we hyped Dajuan this much he proceeded to have a couple of sub-par games.
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Post by paranoya on Feb 8, 2007 14:23:04 GMT -5
I think he needs his most help on defense and rebouding. You really think he needs to work on that 3 point shot? Granted I think it can be improved but I don't think it is what is holding him back right now.
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Post by wildhoya on Feb 8, 2007 14:27:05 GMT -5
reminds me of Al Dutch.
hoya saxa
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Feb 8, 2007 14:34:28 GMT -5
I think he needs his most help on defense and rebounding. You really think he needs to work on that 3 point shot? Granted I think it can be improved but I don't think it is what is holding him back right now. Yes you do have a point that defense is probably where he needs to improve more than the three point shot which is good. I think shot selection is probably where I would like to see him improve the most, and this is typically something which comes from experience so I am not worried. I think Summers is a very good player, I'm just weary of such sky high expectations. As for passing I was looking at his play for the season not just last night. Summers currently has 20 assists total this season and compared to some other people on the team Roy: 21 Green: 80! Wallace: 66 Sapp: 70 Macklin: 13 Rivers:15 Ewing: 15
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Post by RDF on Feb 8, 2007 15:00:27 GMT -5
I don't judge someone's impact statistically--I judge guys on WHEN they do it--and Summers has shown the flashes of being a dominant player--he isn't afraid to make a play, take a shot, and that is far more important in a player's development then most fans think. Now his talent is a huge fact and I don't dismiss that, but it's a lot easier to develop as a player when you have confidence and can do anything on the court--he's not a perfect player, but he's also a kid who was used as a Post player at the HS level and has perimeter skills and is a superior basketball player then Brandon Bowman was as a SR. I'd take Summers over any SF GU has had since Reggie. He's a guy who shows flashes of what he's going to be, but at key times--the Nova game when team was AWFUL and yesterday when GU was in a funk, he took over the game--Bowman was applauded for doing this as a SR against Pitt last year and in BET too--which was deserved--but difference is Summers doesn't have to be prodded--he talks some smack, he will get after it, and isn't timid or cautious and I love that about players who are starting to enter the program. You can't win playing timid or wondering "Which" version of a player shows up--you have to ATTACK! Summers, PE JR, are starting to make their presence felt with other kids--Jeff Green is starting to approach game like they do attitude wise and it's made this team 10 times better. Roy is Roy--he's always been a vocal kid on court and emotional--and I laugh everytime he throws the "Air Punch" to celebrate--he's just ROY! But the difference in this team is PE JR, Summers, Sapp, Jeff, and Jonathan will get in each other's face and let them know to step it up. Did anyone catch DaJuan's "Get that CENSORED Roy" after a Louisville player drove to hole and challenged him? That is what I'm talking about--these kids aren't here to "Find their way"--they are here to WIN and don't have tenative streaks in them. Wright and Freeman are same way--it's what happens when you get kids who EXPECT to win, instead of hoping they will win. Jeff, Roy, Jon, etc... are all winners and problem was they had to change an entire program's attitude--these new kids-especially DaJuan and PE JR have only taken it to another level and it's not going to stop--you want this attitude--it's not cocky, it's confident and only type of attitude that leads to winning.
Summers will go down as one of the best Hoyas ever by time he's done--he can do anything on court and unlike others in past during the DARK AGES of MISERY, he'll work on his game because he wants to be the best--as a player and team, but his starting point is a lot further along then kids this program has had in past. That is what happens when you recruit and recruit LOCAL GUYS to GU!
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Post by dajuan on Feb 8, 2007 15:03:40 GMT -5
While I appreciate the compliment, I have no idea who Bill Martin is. Sounds like an old white guy. Personally, I like to think of myself as a cross between Scottie Pippen and Gilbert Arenas. I bring the defensive intensity of Pipp, and the confidence of Arenas.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Feb 8, 2007 15:04:46 GMT -5
True, but after the first 10 games he was at a 1:20 assist:TO ratio, in teh last 12 he's 1:1 with 19 and 19. Where as before he was having awful 0:4 games, besides one 2:5 outing, he has been very consistent with fewer mistakes. Not mind blowing stats, but pretty good considering where he started. I like his progression for a freshman starting a majority of the year.
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Post by Omega on Feb 8, 2007 15:05:39 GMT -5
A comparision of Summer's impact at GU to Reggie's may be a bit premature; however, a compasision to their style of play is right on. Both possess those intangebles that you cannot teach. Both are/were important pieces on very good teams (Reggie's of course being better). Both have that desire to win and that B-More attitude. Summer gives this team swagger and attitude. Besides he is not affraid to take the big shot. Against Pit when GU needed a basket towards the end of the game, Green passed on the shot and Summers shot an air-ball. The point being he wasn't affraid... Against MU Summers is going to have a monster game!
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Post by FOTP on Feb 8, 2007 15:05:42 GMT -5
I'm with RDF here. He just has a feel for the game.
He's his own player, but he does it all. I'm most comfortable with him taking a shot than anyone else on the team.
He is our best match-up in every game. No one in college basketball that I know of has a legit 6'8 3 man who can play inside/outside. He's the x-factor in each game.
I love Roy, Green, Wallace, Sapp et al...I just firmly believe we go as far as Summers takes us. When he plays well we're a pretty tough team to beat.
He's not our best player, but he can just take over games at times.
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