GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Nov 11, 2004 11:03:30 GMT -5
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Post by SFOHoya on Nov 11, 2004 11:20:17 GMT -5
Why do I have a feeling that is will end up something like this..
Gtown
Cuse
WVa
South Florida
I can't see them breaking up the ConfUSA big 4 (Cinci, Marq, DePaul, and L'ville) or the New York Metro league (UConn, SH, StJohn, Rutgers).
ND and Pitt go together
I think we'll get stuck with the southern schools to keep some geographic balance (or some logic to the groupings) while ND and Pitt get P'dence and Nova.
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Post by nodak89 on Nov 11, 2004 11:27:17 GMT -5
I think that our best traditional rivalries are SU(cks), St John's and Villanova. From a SOS standpoint..maybe drop 'Nova and add UConn. Maybe not... Not Pitt or PC or any of the new "schools"  --***cough***Cincy***cough*** |
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Nov 11, 2004 11:29:40 GMT -5
Well, if that was the case, playing West Virginia and South Florida twice a year would probably help our record, even though they aren't particulary exciting matchups. I think we have just as good of a chance of getting Nova and I tend to believe that Pitt will be playing West Virginia since they already have that football rivalry going.
Id be fine with Cuse, Nova and almost any third school, but I'd like to have the Johnnies on there to revive the past rivalry. Over at redmen.com where I got the link from, pretty much everyone expects to have Georgetown as a mirror school.
On edit: the thing that makes the most sense to me by far is cuse, nova and st. johns. If thats not what they come up with I'll be rather dissapointed.
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Post by SFOHoya on Nov 11, 2004 11:43:54 GMT -5
Gtown - Cuse
Nova - Stjohn
Cinci - L'ville
Marq - DePaul
SH - Rutgers
Uconn - PC
Pitt- WVa
ND - USF
I think this keeps everyone happy (perhaps with the exception of the last grouping, but even then you have 4 football schools going at it, while keeping the Pitt/WVa rivalry intact)
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nodak89
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Post by nodak89 on Nov 11, 2004 11:57:58 GMT -5
Gtown - Cuse Nova - Stjohn Cinci - L'ville Marq - DePaul SH - Rutgers Uconn - PC Pitt- WVa ND - USF I think this keeps everyone happy (perhaps with the exception of the last grouping, but even then you have 4 football schools going at it, while keeping the Pitt/WVa rivalry intact) This really makes the most sense. I hope you're right! |
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 11, 2004 11:59:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Marquette or DePaul out of the new schools.
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Post by Jack on Nov 11, 2004 12:09:13 GMT -5
Why oh why can't the Big East season be 2 games longer so that you can have 4 divisions of 4, play everyone in your division twice, play everyone else once. Then give 4 BET byes to the 4 division winners and the 4 last place teams don't get to go. My divisions:
UCon, PC, Cuse, Rutgers
GU, St. John's, Nova, Seton Hall
Pitt, WV, Louisville, Cincy
ND, Marquette, Depaul, USF
Not ideal on all fronts, and maybe GU's division is really weak right now, but at least everyone gets one of their rivals, and you still play everyone once.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 11, 2004 12:16:00 GMT -5
The argument against 18 is that it is too many games in conference and the conference will beat up on itself, costing some teams NCAA bids.
Basically you have less chance for the conference to prove itself superior to other conferences. And I think the ADs have a point.
There was absolutely no support from ADs for an 18 game schedule. Everything I read from coaches and ADs was preferring a 16 game.
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Post by SFOHoya on Nov 11, 2004 12:18:47 GMT -5
We may be going at this the wrong way.
The underlying assumption is that the Big East will seek to capitalize on existing rivalries. If anything, recent BE scheduling points to them trying to maximize top-flight match-ups.
Could we end up seeing one group being this (gulp!)
UConn, Cuse, Lville, Cinci
That's 12 primetime games (home and home) with great teams and recognizable, charismatic coaches. Can the BE pass this up to re-inforce traditional rivalries?
Not sure what that would mean for the Hoyas - hopefully at least StJohns and Nova.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 11, 2004 12:20:40 GMT -5
Yeah, SFO, I have a feeling we'll be screwed. USF, WVU and Rutgers or something. Which is probably best win-wise, but...
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Nov 11, 2004 12:23:04 GMT -5
Unless I misread the article, I'm not so sure that they are going to break it up into four pods. It's quite possible that they try to base it on individual rivalries, in which each school gets it's own unique set of mirrors.
In one possibility:
GU could face Cuse, Nova, and St. Johns.
Cuse might face GU, UConn, and Nova
Providence could tackle UConn, Seton Hall and the Johnnies
West Virginia might play Pitt, Nova, and Rutgers
ND could play DePaul, Pitt, and Marquette
Cincinatti might play Pitt, Louisville, and WVU
etc, etc...
Not saying this would happen, but mirror schools doesn't necessarily have to equal pods, or mini-divisions, and an alternate set of mirrors (along the lines of what I described above) could preserve many more traditional or geographic rivalries.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Nov 11, 2004 12:25:12 GMT -5
Along those lines, I wouldn't be surprised to see Louisville matched up w/ Providence, for the Pitino factor.
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Post by Jack on Nov 11, 2004 12:31:11 GMT -5
I read it the same way as THB, and I have the same fears as SFO. The way ESPN currently runs the Big East would have the mirror schools shift every year to make the best tv match-ups and will eventually lead to the year where GU gets home and homes with South Florida, Rutgers, and West Virginia and somehow never plays Syracuse. I hate it, and I think an 18 game slate with defined divisions is a much better alternative.
Recent NCAA history has shown that the whole "beating up on each other and losing bids" thing is bunk. SOS is rewarded, both in-conference and non-conference. The only consequences of going to 18 games is making coaches jobs harder and maybe costing a team one home date per season when they could have scheduled Morgan St. or SUNY-Albany.
If you need to, make slight adjustments in the divisions for parity reasons. Maybe switch the last place teams around from time to time to give them a better shot of getting to MSG. But maintain some sense of tradition along the way.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 11, 2004 12:35:54 GMT -5
But maintain some sense of tradition along the way. I think the whole ACC - BE - CUSA mess this last year shows that nobody is interested in tradition if money is on the line. That's sad, but there aren't many BE schools willing to make that call. |
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Post by chinatownfanclub on Nov 11, 2004 13:27:38 GMT -5
considering who are matchups have been the last few years for home and homes I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with Rutgers, West Virginia, and Syracuse. They will want to retain our natural rivalry with the Cuse, but as far as St. John's and Nova we've only been playing them once a year for the most part over the last few years. If the schedule makers are really concerned about preserving BE they will put St. John's, UConn, Prov, and Nova together in a pod.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 11, 2004 14:09:04 GMT -5
I say our "traditional" opponents, from the start of the Big East, are Syracuse and St. Johns .
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