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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 9, 2004 13:52:22 GMT -5
according to insiders, vernon is msu bound. to me, the staff dropped the ball with aboya trying to get vernon instead. i don't think vernon ever seriously considered us due to the academic issues and flirting with him cost us aboya. this sucks.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 9, 2004 13:54:17 GMT -5
VG did consider us, and greatly. From several other folks, Vernon picked MSU over his mother's wishes. We were in it to the end, and longer than Pitt.
It was a worthwhile risk to me, and I seriously doubt it affected the amount of time the staff spent on Aboya. As for affecting his decision, I doubt that as well. Goodridge is the type of recruit that could have brought the talent level up significantly and helped us with other recruits.
On the flip side, he might not ever see a college court.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 9, 2004 13:59:37 GMT -5
it's obvious to me that our pursuit of goodridge cost us aboya. vernon was a waste of time. he would have either left after one year or never made it to campus. we don't need a player like him when we have one like aboya practically begging to come on board. we blew it.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 9, 2004 14:06:43 GMT -5
it's obvious to me that our pursuit of goodridge cost us aboya. vernon was a waste of time. he would have either left after one year or never made it to campus. we don't need a player like him when we have one like aboya practically begging to come on board. we blew it. Care to back that up with any empirical data? Or at least admit you are forming this with no real evidence. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 9, 2004 14:13:30 GMT -5
I still think it is a #'s game and we are at least showing up on the wish list of these kids which is more then you could say just 10 months ago. This is the early period (I think) so I am sure there are still quite a few quality guys out there. With decent size in the '04 class, it may not be quite as important to get more size in the '05 although we'll need some in '06.
Just looking at the positive side for once.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 9, 2004 14:18:50 GMT -5
empirical data? this isn't a classroom. it's common sense. aboya wanted to attend gu since he was young. we should have been honored that a player of his ability would want to play for us. the staff was sucked into the fanatsy that goodridge actually thought about coming to gu. it was a pipe dream all along. imo, he did it to appease his mother. aboya was a lock and we blew it.
aboya realized he had become second choice and wisely looked elsewhere.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Nov 9, 2004 14:24:51 GMT -5
Like ColumbiaHeightsHoya, I'm not convinced that we need to get a big man in the '05 class.
Looking at the 05-06 season, we have the following in the 6-8 and above category:
6-8 Brandon Bowman (Sr.)
6-8 Sead Dizdarevic (Jr.)
6-8 Jeff Green (So.)
6-8 Amadou Kilkenny-Diaw (Jr.)
6-9 Cornelio Guibunda (So.)
7-1 Roy Hibbert (So.)
I think that getting a blue-chip big would have been great, but other than that, I don't think we should go after size for size's sake.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 9, 2004 14:39:03 GMT -5
empirical data? this isn't a classroom. it's common sense. aboya wanted to attend gu since he was young. we should have been honored that a player of his ability would want to play for us. the staff was sucked into the fanatsy that goodridge actually thought about coming to gu. it was a pipe dream all along. imo, he did it to appease his mother. aboya was a lock and we blew it. aboya realized he had become second choice and wisely looked elsewhere. Huh? Aboya came to the US, and basically picked GU because he knew no schools and Ruben and Vic suggested it. It was never his dream school. There are several interviews that said it was merely the "only school he knew." He didn't even look around. Your comment that Vernon never even wanted GU but only did it to appease his mother is a possibility but has no more backup than any other theory. It isn't a classroom, but that's pretty sad that that is the only spot where you think critical thinking has a place. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 9, 2004 14:39:59 GMT -5
Like ColumbiaHeightsHoya, I'm not convinced that we need to get a big man in the '05 class. Looking at the 05-06 season, we have the following in the 6-8 and above category: 6-8 Brandon Bowman (Sr.) 6-8 Sead Dizdarevic (Jr.) 6-8 Jeff Green (So.) 6-8 Amadou Kilkenny-Diaw (Jr.) 6-9 Cornelio Guibunda (So.) 7-1 Roy Hibbert (So.) I think that getting a blue-chip big would have been great, but other than that, I don't think we should go after size for size's sake. If a player isn't in the class of Roy or Cornelio, I don't really see the point. |
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 9, 2004 14:50:40 GMT -5
You obviously know nothing about Aboya or Goodridge's recruitment. Learn something before you start saying the staff dropped the ball. Goodridge most definitely considered us - a few weeks ago the general consensus was that a comittment was impending. At the same time, Aboya has had a standing offer from the Hoyas for months and they were in constant contact with him and his coach. They did not stop recruitment Aboya in favor of Vernon, and moreover, the two weren't mutually exclusive. Goodridge is a 1 or 2 and done player, and the staff could well have given out 5 scholarships this year. Aboya looked at GU and UCLA and chose the latter. It wasn't for lack of effort or interest on the part of the staff.
Not getting either one sucks. We shouldn't take someone out of desperation, but we really could use a big man in this class. Let's scour the nation for euros, or even a juco, who slipped through the cracks. I'm sure there will be some good big men up for grabs in the spring, but none as good as Goodridge, and probably none as good as Aboya either.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 9, 2004 21:11:59 GMT -5
the two of you are a couple of apologists. the staff dropped the ball with aboya and anyone with half a brain can see it. goodridge was a waste of time. your denial shows your ignorance.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Nov 9, 2004 21:17:49 GMT -5
Take it easy bro. I doubt you have any idea what really happened. Maybe the staff dropped the ball for a little while, and maybe they didn't.
Just because we were after Goodridge doesnt mean we werent after Aboya as well or that we sent him the wrong signal by recruiting Goodridge. UCLA got a commitment from another Power Forward a week or two before Aboya's commitment and that didnt stop him from committing to them.
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 9, 2004 21:38:28 GMT -5
Ignorance! Man, do you even subscribe to a recruiting site, or anything like that? Here are the facts as you present them: 1) The Hoyas recruited Aboya, 2) The Hoyas recruited Goodridge, 3) Aboya chooses not to sign at Georgetown. Ergo he did so because the Hoyas were recruiting Goodridge. Yeah, clearly I'm an apologist to miss that obvious connection.
You're making a fool of yourself. Stop it.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 10, 2004 6:07:26 GMT -5
take it easy bro? i have to take it easy because i'm not a sheep, like yourself, sf, and nyc. i'm not your bro and i'm not going to take it easy. those tools started the personal attacks, not me. i only stated the obvious. sorry if some people here can't handle it. we had aboya and we let him slip through our fingers because we were under the illusion that goodridge was actually interested. you three can live in whatever fantasy world you want. if subscribing to a recruiting site makes you a genius, then sign me up. but i doubt that after reading the rants of the likes of nyc. it's nice to know that you are naive enough to believe everything you read on the internet. i bet your job flipping burgers doesn't take much independent thought though, so i'm not surprised.
fact is, we don't have either of the two and if the three of you want to blame me for the coaches dropping the ball, that's fine. denial is a wonderful thing.
sheep...sheep...sheep
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2004 8:03:16 GMT -5
Guys - discuss all you want. It's perfectly fine to have opposing viewpoints about the recruiting process and the outcome.
There is no need for name calling on any of your parts. 'Sheep' and 'fool' have no place in the discussion here. Knock it off.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 10, 2004 8:36:38 GMT -5
my apologies. we're all on the same team here, we just have differing opinions on this issue. who knows, maybe goodridge will change his mind for the 200th time and actually pick us ;D
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 10, 2004 10:38:27 GMT -5
Insiders says Goodridge committed to MSU. Ugh!
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Post by GUHoya07 on Nov 10, 2004 10:49:33 GMT -5
take it easy bro? i have to take it easy because i'm not a sheep, like yourself, sf, and nyc. i'm not your bro and i'm not going to take it easy. those tools started the personal attacks, not me. i only stated the obvious. sorry if some people here can't handle it. we had aboya and we let him slip through our fingers because we were under the illusion that goodridge was actually interested. you three can live in whatever fantasy world you want. if subscribing to a recruiting site makes you a genius, then sign me up. but i doubt that after reading the rants of the likes of nyc. it's nice to know that you are naive enough to believe everything you read on the internet. i bet your job flipping burgers doesn't take much independent thought though, so i'm not surprised. fact is, we don't have either of the two and if the three of you want to blame me for the coaches dropping the ball, that's fine. denial is a wonderful thing. sheep...sheep...sheep Are you serious with that post? What the hell is wrong with you? You have no idea about the details in this recruitment and its time for you to shut up. Just because you start recruiting another player heavily doesn't mean that you are dropping the ball on another guy. It is possible, but it certainly doesnt mean that. With the effort JT III has been putting in on the recruiting trail I have no doubt that he was giving his all to get a commitment from both. Either you have some serious psychological problems or you just like starting fights. You are the one who comes on here and bashes the coaches ridiculously and when people offer rational opinions about the reality of big time recruiting you start insulting us. Take a look in the mirror and you'll see the real idiot. Sorry DanMcQ, but this is absurd. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2004 11:05:58 GMT -5
Are you serious with that post? What the hell is wrong with you? You have no idea about the details in this recruitment and its time for you to shut up. Just because you start recruiting another player heavily doesn't mean that you are dropping the ball on another guy. It is possible, but it certainly doesnt mean that. With the effort JT III has been putting in on the recruiting trail I have no doubt that he was giving his all to get a commitment from both. Either you have some serious psychological problems or you just like starting fights. You are the one who comes on here and bashes the coaches ridiculously and when people offer rational opinions about the reality of big time recruiting you start insulting us. Take a look in the mirror and you'll see the real idiot. Sorry DanMcQ, but this is absurd. OK - I asked you guys to knock it off and I meant it. HoyaFanNY posted an apology above - don't rehash it by trying to keep a fight going. Move on. On topic, though, check out DFW's front page to a link to a local story that suggests Goodridge may not have committed yet. |
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Post by HoyaLawya on Nov 10, 2004 12:10:10 GMT -5
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), Vernon's mother ........... Vernon? (Intense crosstalk ...)