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[GIGAFAN99]

sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/boxscore;_ylt=Anq8CSRwn4WOZ2XrW3At9y_evbYF?gid=200611190229


17-8-4 for Roy
13-5 3-6 from three for Jon (5 tos)
16-3 2-5 from 3 for Jessie (no turnovers)
11-10 double double for Eggie

And the PF slot (Green, Ewing, Macklin, Summers) (drumroll)

5pts 6rebs 6tos 2blks

So what happens when a team loses for exactly the opposite reasons you thought they would? Let's write it off to a fluke for now. I don't expect a lot of 2pts 3rebs performances from Jeff.

[hoyaboy1]

There is some truth here, but I also must point out that about half of Sapp and Egerson's total points came in the last 3 minutes when we were basically already out of it. Now, our guards didn't exactly play badly - they just aren't good enough to carry us.

[sweetness]

Here's to more minutes for Summers -- we will need him as the season progresses, there is no doubt in my mind.

[HfieldHoya08]

One of the scariest things about that box score (other than Jeff only scoring 2) is ODU's 3 pt. FG percentage - .562

Where is our defense on the perimeter?!?! maybe our defensive skills went to verizon tonight instead of McD?

[Eurostar]

stat of the night is them OUTREBOUNDING us. and 11 offensive boards. thats what killed us. they took 9 more shots than us.

also 6 turnovers to our 14. 8 steals to our 4. they just out played us.

[KHoyaNYC]

I don't think you can look to the box score and lay all the fault with the power forward slot. A lot of the guards' stats came in garbage time, akin to a QB racking up the passing yards when his team is already down by 3 TDs in the 4th quarter. Green could have played a solid game and we still would have lost. This is a TEAM loss because of a poor TEAM effort. If you really feel the need to point to the stat sheet, look at the rebounding and in particular the offensive boards.

[YB]

They flat outplayed us, I was there, I saw it. Outhustled, outsmarted, outshot, outplayed. No excuses, no other way to put it.

[HfieldHoya08]

yb said:

They flat outplayed us, I was there, I saw it. Outhustled, outsmarted, outshot, outplayed. No excuses, no other way to put it.

as depressing as it is... all of what YB says is true here.

[YB]

We deserved every bit of this loss for how we played. Ugh. I hope TC returns to good health quickly; I also hope the other guys remember his hustle and intensity and wratchet it up a notch!

[GIGAFAN99]

khoyanyc said:

Green could have played a solid game and we still would have lost.

This has been stated twice and I find it absolutely impossible to believe. This wasn't a "mildly bad game" for Jeff. And it's not a role player disappearing.

This is an all-everything team captain (the only one on the floor tonight) averaging 18-8-5 on the year fouling out with 3 turnovers, zero offensive boards, and two shots TAKEN.

When the going gets tough, that's when the team captain leads his team and when the best player on the floor takes over. Jeff is both and not only did he fail in both regards, he was actually a detriment on the floor.

Bet on JTIII having a chat with his "safety blanket" and us not seeing a repeat performance anytime soon.

[KHoyaNYC]

Your view appears to be shared by JTIII, according to his post-game comments. I don't see it that way. The entire team was dysfunctional, up and down. If your point is Jeff Green should have carried the team on his shoulders tonight when he saw we were in danger of being upset, that's fine. I'll buy that. The only problem is I don't think he is comfortable doing that in what is a 5-man, unselfish, team-oriented offensive system. It cuts against the Princeton team concept he's been taught for 3 years now.

However, I don't have a problem with JTIII telling him, "look Jeff, if the going gets rough, throw the playbook out the window and do your thing." Maybe that's what JTIII will tell him after tonight, that sometimes Jeff needs to recognize that he is just going to have to take control and play a more individualized style of basketball. I think Jeff has done that on occasion before (I think back to the Illinois game last year), but he cant be shy about doing it more often.

[lichoya68]

agrree with yb we got totaly outplayed and giga jeff was jawed and pushed and they to into his head needs to be above that and play also we had two fouls to give at the end of the first halff. with sixteen seconds and a four point leave and dinot play tough d picked them up at half court gave not one foul let them shoot and score on a buzzer beater rebound leaving the court with a four point lead instead of six.. and in the first half missed at least ten point on layups and also one blown dunk.. we played without tyler who wasnt there i think that was alot of defense and rebbies. .hope he not got the flu as strep shoulda been better.. anyway top ten gone need to wake up in the second half still tried to keep forcing it to hibbs who either got it stolen on a bad pass or bobbled it and we misssed alot of crucial free throws not much to feel good about except well tyler wasnot there but on our court our house first lost in 23 games at mcdonough bad nite.... lets pick it up and move on gottta one by one beat fairfield by at least twtnty six there one more than uconn .. ps odu is a very good shooting and hustling team we couldnot put them away when needed. they deserved to win.. go hoyas

[YB]

Need to work harder for everything we get. Elsewise- I'd rather have last year's team. This year's sometimes looks more like the bit** Yukon team of last year- lots of talent, no heart and no focus.

[prhoya]

It's a reality check. We cannot compete on paper; we have to outplay and outhustle the other team. We should start with Fairfield.