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Apr 22, 2004 23:49:27 GMT -5
Post by springyblow on Apr 22, 2004 23:49:27 GMT -5
I have seen Sead play 4-5x in HS. I coached HS ball in Sacramento. Sead is the best passing big man I have seen at the HS level. He has a good shot out to the 3 point line. He also has a good mid range shot if he has time to get it off. He has a nice midpost game and good one on one post moves which he can use well if not being guarded by someone who physically overmatches him. He should benefit immensly from a more structured passing offense and I predict he will be an asset next year.
I watched Princeton last year 2x. They do not run the traditional old school Princeton offense although there is much more movement, cutting and passing then any GU offense in the last 30 years. Note that JT3 gave significant freedom to Wil Venable (who is a heck of a player) and to several others and I imagine that will happen with BB as well.
Either way we are in for one of the more interesting years in a while and it is good to see the excitement back again.
We are Georgetown.
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Apr 23, 2004 6:13:39 GMT -5
Post by michiganhoya on Apr 23, 2004 6:13:39 GMT -5
That's an interesting analysis of Sead. I'm just wondering who the guy is who showed up last September.
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Apr 23, 2004 6:51:14 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 23, 2004 6:51:14 GMT -5
Sead definately has ball skills. He looked good in the open practice (which, in retrospect, was an indictment of the poor talent level on our team last year). He's just not a Big East athlete right now. Sead needs some considerable time in the weight room as well as untold hours of hard work getting himself quicker and more explosive. He does not ever need to become a good leaper or an explosive athlete, but he does need to reach a level where those aspects of the game are not overwhelming him. If Sead was not against the idea, I would not be opposed to redshirting him for a year. Let him practive with the team while concentrating on increasing his athletic ability. Even if that doesn't happen (it's not likely), I think in time he can become an asset to our team. He brings valuable skills that few other players on the squad possess, and in certain situations his passing and shooting abilities could be useful.
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Apr 23, 2004 7:55:58 GMT -5
Post by springyblow on Apr 23, 2004 7:55:58 GMT -5
Hoyalove, I agree about his need to get more athletic. In some ways he is like a shorter Vlade Divac with a better outside shot. Just as Vlade struggles against athletic teams, Sead is prone to the same problems, especially because he is 3 inches shorter. However, all he really needs is to drop 5-7 lbs of fat and add 10 lbs of muscle. This can be done before next October if he works hard. Redshirting will not help. He needs confidence and playing time at this level. He already has the basketball skills. IF you follow Princeton, they have a player from Nor Cal named Mike Stephens. Mike also has serious athletic issues, but he gained strength and speed in his first two years and now is a very solid Ivy league player. Sead's basketball skills are a whole universe better than Mike's. Sead will contribute next year with the proper off season work and if he stays injury free.
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Apr 23, 2004 8:18:31 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 23, 2004 8:18:31 GMT -5
It would be great to see Sead contribute next year and I sure hope he makes strides in the offseason. Personally, I think that it is a quickness/ explosiveness issue that will require months/ years of intense workouts above and beyond simply losing some fat and adding some muscle. I agree that redshirting is not an ideal option and he does need to gain confidence, but I 'd rather see him redshirt than sit on the end of the bench all year and waste his eligibility. I have no doubt that he can contribute at some point and I would love us to have that type of player.
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Apr 23, 2004 9:06:06 GMT -5
Post by springyblow on Apr 23, 2004 9:06:06 GMT -5
Personally, I do not think quickness/explosiveness is something you can develop much of on your own once you are in peak physical shape. Each individual has a certain potential quickness/explosiveness that he or she has the potential to develop based on genetic makeup. Once you reach your personal peak physical condition, any further strides in this area are de minimus in my personal unscientific opinion.
That being said, I am hoping that my 3 kids have my wife's genes (who was the former GU long jump record holder for a number of years) as opposed to mine in this area . . . . . actually as I ponder this thought, it would probabaly be good if they had her genes in almost all areas.
In any case, Sead's lack of physical ability in this area (combined with not being 6-11 or bigger which would have helped compensate) are probably what will prevent him from being a bona fide all Big East player and potential NBA player, but in my personal opinion this will not prevent him from being a contributor starting next year and a starter and key player (10 pts., 5 rebs, 3 asst. per game) with a new offense in his senior and maybe junior year. Of course, this also means he must develop physically as we discussed, continue working on his shot, and also largely depends on who else is recruited and his confidence. I should also add, that Sead will always have his issues on defense, although the kid knows how to box out and plays fundamentally smart defense, which at least helps him hang in there.
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Apr 23, 2004 10:47:12 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 23, 2004 10:47:12 GMT -5
I appreciate your opinion and respect what you have to say. Nonetheless, I do believe that you can make enormous strides in terms of quickness and explosiveness even after you are in top-notch shape. Look at Olympic sprinters who are already amazing athletes but work tirelessly to make themselves just a bit better. In my opinion, the same goes for basketball players, and it is something that all players should be working on constantly. To me, even Allen Iverson should be working on this aspect of his game, as you can never be too quick.
I am not a trainer, but I do know from personal experience that through weight training, jumprope, plyometrcis (sp?), and other assorted exercises (line jumps, cones, stairs, etc) can and will make you much quicker and explosive. I would have never been able to play varsity ball for my high school without exerting a huge amount of energy into such exercises; my chief regret now is that I did not do them even more. I would like to see Sead put at least an hour of such work into those type of exercises before he even touches a basketball each time he works out.
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Apr 23, 2004 11:12:30 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2004 11:12:30 GMT -5
I appreciate your opinion and respect what you have to say. Nonetheless, I do believe that you can make enormous strides in terms of quickness and explosiveness even after you are in top-notch shape. Look at Olympic sprinters who are already amazing athletes but work tirelessly to make themselves just a bit better. In my opinion, the same goes for basketball players, and it is something that all players should be working on constantly. To me, even Allen Iverson should be working on this aspect of his game, as you can never be too quick. I am not a trainer, but I do know from personal experience that through weight training, jumprope, plyometrcis (sp?), and other assorted exercises (line jumps, cones, stairs, etc) can and will make you much quicker and explosive. I would have never been able to play varsity ball for my high school without exerting a huge amount of energy into such exercises; my chief regret now is that I did not do them even more. I would like to see Sead put at least an hour of such work into those type of exercises before he even touches a basketball each time he works out. Sead may not ever be all that quick, but if he works on his footwork and positioning, and gains enough strength to avoid being pushed around, I think he can be apssable enough on D to be an asset in the Princeton O. If he's as good a passer as srpingy says, and avoids the Gtown shooting curse, , he'll be great. Not saying he's even a starter, but it will really help for him to be a contributor junior and senior year.
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Apr 23, 2004 11:14:24 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Apr 23, 2004 11:14:24 GMT -5
Last year someone here (it may have been Springy) posted a Cali website writer's extensive breakdown of Sead's abilities; the writer had seen him play a lot. The guy was high on Sead's ability and indicated he could be a force. But he also pointed out that if Sead played for a high major D1 school (like GU) he would be better offf red-shirting in order to adjust. We as fans seemed to have forgotten this point. Anyway I've copied and pasted that breakdown below:
Sead Dizdarevic Class: 2003 Height: 6'-9" Weight: 225 Position: Small Forward School: Highlands (Sacramento)
Strengths: The media swarm around the issue of foreign player development in relationship to a perceived decline of skills in most US born players continues when one watches Sead even warm up. Moving the ball fluidly with both hands, he can easily do most dribble moves found awkward by many players six inches shorter. His coordination and ability to put together moves both off the catch and off the dribble is seen more at the college level or elite prep level than at any given high school. Then, there is the shot. Since foreign players, especially big men, are taught shot fundamentals at an early age, it's not surprising that this 6'9", 225 lb player can step out and drain three after three after three from way beyond the arc. Inside 15 feet, normal jumpers are products of drop step moves that lead into smooth step backs that can even end up as fade-aways, all dropping softly into the basket.
Another major strength of overseas training is the ability to see the floor and make any one of a number of passes. All basic PG skills formerly taught in the US in the 60's and 70's, but now long lost. Blessed with the height to see over the defense, Sead can deliver passes from any one of a number of angles with either hand, and from virtually any position on the floor. In a recent game, he blocked a shot, led the break, and finished with a no-look left handed bounce pass to the cutter on the wing. All this after beating all but one of the other team's players down the court.
Defensively, Sead has solid recognition of ball movement and weakside player movement with his back to the basket. He gets in solid position off the ball and has shown the ability to close off the path to the basket and take a charge. Also more of a European teaching, almost all his blocked shots are tipped rather than smashed so they are kept in play. Uncannily, Sead tries to tip most blocks to himself so he can lead the break. Very old-school by US standards but pioneered by Bill Russell because a tipped blocked shot means an extra possession rather than batting it into the 8th row so they get the ball back.
As an intangible bonus, Sead is a natural leader with a great personality. He shakes the refs hands before the game, never says anything when a call is made against him, and hugs, supports, and cajoles his teammates at all times. Mistakes are always burdened by him whether he did them or not and he spends more time with a smile on his face than anyone else in the gym. His teammates love him, obvious evidence of his personality since he's an anomaly on an inner city team.
Weaknesses: Despite all the ball skill teachings in Europe, their players uniformly are not taught skills that translate to the prep or college game. Sead can make all the Peja and Hedo moves, but he can't do things inherent to success at the highest levels of play for his age group, and frankly even at the NBA level. When the New Jersey Nets drafted legendary shooter, Drazen Petrovic, his coach was bemoaning his inability to move without the ball and his complacency when he didn't have the ball. That describes Sead perfectly. He has never been taught how to read a defense from the weakside while on offense, never been taught how to move to a position of advantage after passing the ball, or how to switch between the post and the perimeter to maximize his match-up problems given his size and perimeter skill. Therefore, he stands around a lot and spends a lot of time with his hands in the air asking for the ball.
When he does get the ball, Sead almost immediately reverts to NBA mode and looks for defensive reactions that really don't exist at the prep level. The lack of speed and awkward reactions of his average/below average opponents cause him some confusion and he'll sometimes force shots because he expected the defense to react when they are too slow to react. Other times, he'll shoot a quick three, and even though it goes in, no one has taught him he can get those shots any time. The most prominent issue is his lack of understanding regarding his height. Maybe there are more 6'9" players in Europe, but Sead has not been taught that even moving in to 10 feet gets him about 30 make-able shots a game. By no means is he a consistent post-up threat, but if he knew how to get in that area with his height he could set up many, many more shots for himself.
Not a leaper and not a banger, Sead rebounds well because he has been taught to watch ball flight. However, certain US complacencies have been assimilated into his game, namely the penchant for giving up when he doesn't think he can get to the ball. The giving up issue is somewhat large because he does not play for a good coach, nor does he play with a team forcing him to play at a high level. Therefore, he gets 22 and 12 every night with 50% effort. Unfortunately, that has quickly reinforced that he doesn't have to sprint the floor on either offense or defense unless he has the ball or will get the ball.
Overall Assessment: There has not been a player in NorCal in the last five years possessing the combination of skills and size found in Sead Dizdarevic. Matt Barnes had more handles and more playmaking ability but not nearly the shooting or passing skills. Tim Pierce has more handles and more moves as well, but is 2-3 inches shorter, not to mention 30 lbs. lighter. Almost every other big man merely had inside game and was befallen by not quite enough size to be a major D1 center, and not enough dexterity or deft coordination to play a SF. Here we have a player who translates immediately into the new mold of a tall, agile, intelligent, and skilled athlete spanning potentially three positions.
Projected college potential: Watching Sead run around with a mediocre, at best, D3 high school team doesn't come close to approximating his skills and potential. The range of college potential is vast but it's all scenario driven. He could play immediately at a low-D1 and probably average close to 10 ppg as a frosh because he's in the identical mold of a Chris Schlatter at Washington State. At the mid-level D1, he'd play some but would be a frosh weight room project and practice fiend as he learned the nuances of moving without the ball and improved his handle to play the SG slot. At the high D1 level, after a redshirt year to learn the above and hit the weights, he'd play 6th or 7th man as a frosh, start as a soph, and be all-conference as a junior. We'll give the example of the 6'10" European transfer at Michigan State. He's their 7th man, has easy deep range, can playmake from the wing, averages 6 ppg and 5 rpg, and gets more NBA looks than anyone else on that team. In two years, if he's not drafted first, NBA scouts project his development along the lines illustrated above, and see him as a first round pick. Now we're not looking that far ahead, but the ability and inherent skills easily place Sead as a high-major player. Yes he has much to learn, but right now he has skills far above and beyond almost all of his peers at his size.
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Apr 23, 2004 11:15:16 GMT -5
Post by SaxaCD on Apr 23, 2004 11:15:16 GMT -5
I liked the way Sead looked in his brief court time last year, except for one thing -- his habit of getting stripped of the ball after coming down with a rebound. I don't care about him trying to become "explosive", because I just don't think it can happen. But if he can gain the upper body strength to hang on to the ball after rebounds and when defended, I think that he can see more time and contribute more.
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Dec 31, 2004 0:17:01 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Dec 31, 2004 0:17:01 GMT -5
from this old post a new one after the howard game sead looked very good in his ending minutes of the howard game tonite very good steady patient and looked fine hopefully more to come to look like his high school promos go hoyas go sead
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Dec 31, 2004 0:19:13 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Dec 31, 2004 0:19:13 GMT -5
anyone else at the howard game tonite have any thougths on sead's time in agree or disagree go hoyas
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Dec 31, 2004 0:27:03 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Dec 31, 2004 0:27:03 GMT -5
If Saed is a project for a good coach to develop, remember that this is the first year where he has a coach to teach him to move w/o the ball, when to post up, when to go out to the perimeter, etc... JT3 can hopefully develop him so that he fulfills the projected career arc of the Cali writer-too bad Saed already wasted a year of his eligibility under Esherick, further ingraining the bad habits he learned in high school.
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Dec 31, 2004 1:44:14 GMT -5
Post by Fan Of The Game on Dec 31, 2004 1:44:14 GMT -5
Sead is a cheer leader and I love him to death for it. Tonight's time was all garbage when we were up 20 so I wouldn't put too much stock in any of it.
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Dec 31, 2004 12:50:59 GMT -5
Post by FOTP on Dec 31, 2004 12:50:59 GMT -5
Hard to tell with Sead. He seems a bit slow for the competition, but we need to see him get some legit minutes to see what he's got.
The kid cares though. Enormous respect for the bench effort. Seems to have a positive demeanor and the rest of the kids like him.
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Dec 31, 2004 13:19:28 GMT -5
Post by the_way on Dec 31, 2004 13:19:28 GMT -5
Wow! First Matt Causey, now Sead. Who is next, Ken H to tha Izzo. I think if they guy could play right now,he would be getting minutes. The fact that Esh did not play him last year when, we were thin on the front line, tells you that he has a lot to work on to be able to compete at the Big East level.
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Dec 31, 2004 13:39:04 GMT -5
Post by SaxaCD on Dec 31, 2004 13:39:04 GMT -5
I think that review of Sead from the guy in cali, while possibly overdoing it, was essentially on target. Sead looks a bit stronger this year, and he's certainly into the games. He's always right in the middle of every huddle, and he not only cheers like a maniac from the bench, but more importantly calls out switches, defenses, and offensive opportunities when he sees them to the players on the floor. He seems to be very game-savvy and last time I saw him, he hit 9 straight 3's (from the experimental, longer distance) in warmups. I really hope he earns some PT, because I love the guy's attitude, and if he really can pass as well as springyblow says, he could really figure into this offense sometime down the road -- perhaps the next two years, if this one isn't it.
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Dec 31, 2004 13:50:48 GMT -5
Post by the_way on Dec 31, 2004 13:50:48 GMT -5
It good to hear about his enthusiasm because I think that is what the team has lacked over the years. Having said that, I think JTIII would play him if his skills were up to par, since we are not a deep team. I hope the guy can improve to the point where he can earn some minutes in Big East play, because a big body that can pass and shoot , would be a welcome addition to this team.
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Dec 31, 2004 17:09:10 GMT -5
Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 31, 2004 17:09:10 GMT -5
Does Fan of the Game = FOTP? Almost equal number of posts, same icon, one posts right after another.
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Dec 31, 2004 18:20:53 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 31, 2004 18:20:53 GMT -5
Does Fan of the Game = FOTP? Almost equal number of posts, same icon, one posts right after another. Siamese twins.
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