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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 22, 2006 9:05:02 GMT -5
Phoenix is a nice place. But I sure hope Pitt keeps Dixon, as I think he is a very good coach (Pitt's unacceptable and disgraceful loss to Garbragely aside).
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Post by Jack on Mar 22, 2006 9:30:36 GMT -5
(Pitt's unacceptable and disgraceful loss to Garbragely aside). That is the other interesting bit, isn't it? Pitt seems to have had the worst ratio of postseason success/regular season success of just about anyone, going back to the Howland days. Wonder what it is about that system that does not seem to translate in the big dance. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 22, 2006 9:33:06 GMT -5
Hey, you get good players, you go to the dance every year, and then once every few years you go on a run. If Pitt lands a true star (maybe Sam Young will develop), they could be a real threat in the NCAAs. Actually, one weakness may be that they are too balanced.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 22, 2006 9:33:42 GMT -5
(Pitt's unacceptable and disgraceful loss to Garbragely aside). That is the other interesting bit, isn't it? Pitt seems to have had the worst ratio of postseason success/regular season success of just about anyone, going back to the Howland days. Wonder what it is about that system that does not seem to translate in the big dance. The weak non-conference scheduling that leads to 11-0 teams heading into conference games? The fact that they play 19 home games a year? How hard is it to win twenty plus when maybe eight games have any risk of loss? |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 22, 2006 9:39:50 GMT -5
I don't know if it's the system or the personnel but Pitt is built to lose tournament basketball games. They turn the ball over and they can't hit free throws.
Pitt gets offensive rebounds which helps out, but you can't give away possessions and win games in the tournament. Pitt does that consistently.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 22, 2006 9:43:10 GMT -5
That silly T they called on Gray really hurt, too.
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Post by HealyHoya on Mar 22, 2006 10:56:05 GMT -5
ASU = facilities and funding. Why would a good basketball coach go to a state school of 35,000 students sporting world-class facilities with an athletic budget in the tens of millions of dollars and an alumni base numbering in the hundreds of thousands? Really? Versus staying at Pitt?
Look, I'm as big a Big East supporter as you'll find but UCLA, Washington, Arizona....the PAC-10 is a legit conference with tremendous programs and history.
Why would Thad Motta go to a football school like OSU? Facilities and funding. Why would you want to be the men's bball coach at a football school like Texas? Ditto.
If Dixon has a million dollar offer at ASU, promise of funding, unbeatable facilities, the support of a monstrous alumni association and the lure of the weather and women at ASU for recruiting (and I won't even get into the weather and women at Pitt) then that's an attractive opportunity.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 22, 2006 10:57:27 GMT -5
This northeastern weather is murder on his hair...
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 22, 2006 11:36:22 GMT -5
Choosing ASU because you are a "west coast guy" is like choosing WVU or....Pitt because you are a New Yorker. Unless Dixon is actually from Arizona, I don't buy it. Its money. If he is from a coastal western city, what the hell is the advantage of living in Phoenix? In no way is Phoenix an appreciably better place to live than Pittsburgh, I suppose unless you are a golf nut and think 110 degrees and Martian landscapes seperated by ocassional strip malls is good living. I am very much biased as a San Diegan, discovered by the Germans, but I have always been amused by the number of east coasters who think of Arizona as some sort of dry Hawaii. I am going to draw some flack I am sure...but Arizona ain't one of the first 20 states I would live in given a choice. Perhaps East Coasters think of Scottsdale as a dry Hawaii because it has as many 5 star resorts per square mile as Hawaii. To compare Scottsdale to Pittsburgh is ridiculous. I spent a week in Scottsdale last year, and went skiing (3 hour roadtrip to Flagstaff), mountain biked Red Rocks in Sedona, sat in the racous gallery of the 16th hole at the Pheonix Open drinking beers and cheering on Mickelson and then took a spontaneous road trip to Vegas to bet on the Super Bowl, which we watched back in Scottsdale after taking a swim at the Kierland where supermodels were tanning poolside. Great nightlife and restaurants, too. Sounds a lot like February in Pittsburgh. |
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Post by thebin on Mar 22, 2006 13:35:39 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm just an ocean guy. I don't give a damn how hot it is or how many nice courses there are (not a big golf guy) the desert just flat out stinks. This is exactly what I was talking about Madgesdiq- east coasters LOVE arizona and those of us from coastal California can't friggen believe it when we hear it. Its like going out to California and hearing someone sing the praises of east coast through Buffalo or maybe Baltimore to be a bit more kind. I can see how if you are a golf nut this is mitigated...but I for one am not. I don't give a hoot how many expensive resorts there are, I am never going to live in a resort. I am also not a big spa guy. What the hell is left in Zona? You know what makes Hawaii Hawaii? Its not the number of AAA 4 diamond resorts. Its the gorgeous tropical vistas and ocean beaches and nice weather. Arizona almost has one of those three- I say "almost" has the nice weather because 120 degrees in the LONG summer is just as bad as 40 degrees in the winter if you ask me. Maybe worse.
Mind you there are a lot of places in the US that I would not prefer to Arizona. Its far from the worst place in the world. But like any San Diegan, I do chuckle when I hear my east coast brothers and sisters refer to it like it were Miami or Santa Barbara. I recently had this situation, where a neighbor was moving there for work. My first emotion was of empathy, and then humor as I realized she was giving me a look like she was being transfered to Nice or something and I knew how lucky she was! It was amusing.
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Post by thebin on Mar 22, 2006 14:01:27 GMT -5
And by the way HealyHoya, Pitt is also a massive state school with huge athletic bugets. Did you think it was small and private? Its first tier public, ASU is third tier, with an endowment less than 1/10th the size of Pitt's if you can believe it. (US NEWS) Didn't see their athletic budgets but I am sure they are similar. Pitt is not a Seton Hall in any way. www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/directory/brief/drglance_3379_brief.php |
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 22, 2006 14:05:54 GMT -5
From Today's NY Times: "One other question is whether Dixon, one of the Big East's lesser-paid coaches with a salary of about $490,000, will look around or keep building the upper-tier program he has maintained at Pitt." If he is one of the lesser paid at $490K, what does that make JT3 who apparently makes less than $280K??? www.nytimes.com/2006/03/22/sports/ncaabasketball/22pitt.htmlIf those numbers are accurate, then the folks who have been suggesting we'd better do something for JT3 and quickly are right! |
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 22, 2006 14:20:04 GMT -5
I simply don't understand why everyone from everywhere doesn't want to live in California. Between the "no place on earth could possibly have anything more to offer than this" attitude, the earthquakes, the flooding, the wildfires, the landslides, the water rationing, the traffic, the pollution, and the cost of living, what more could anybody want?
Cue Randy Newman.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 22, 2006 14:24:51 GMT -5
Keep in mind Boeheim is only reported to be paid $300,000.
I'm not surprised JTIII is one of the lesser paid in the conferece. He hasn't yet finished year 2, and came from the Ivy League, where I suspect his pay wasn't huge, either.
The key is not JTIII's salary now, but rather next year and the years after.
But even if III was paid more commensuately with the entire conference, I doubt we'd be able to tell. He'd probably hold six positions and have other independent income guaranteed.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 22, 2006 14:26:00 GMT -5
just how is it those bozos at Marquette can afford to pay Crean so much money and still make money on the program? What are they doing that we aren't? Is I-AA football causing us to lose so much money?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 22, 2006 14:27:59 GMT -5
just how is it those bozos at Marquette can afford to pay Crean so much money and still make money on the program? What are they doing that we aren't? Is I-AA football causing us to lose so much money? Apparently, they have a better lease with the Bradley center? Keep in mind we have no local television or radio revenues (I doubt we get much for that). |
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 22, 2006 14:35:31 GMT -5
but the BC is hardly a cash-cow. There's a looming crisis between the Bucks and the city about what to do with it, even though it isn't even 20 years old. But maybe that's part of it--the Bucks don't get enough dough, MU has a sweetheard deal. I have no idea.
Doubtful that MU gets much local broadcast revenue though. Maybe a penny or two more than we get for radio, but they've got no TV deal either.
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Post by FormerHoya on Mar 22, 2006 14:39:53 GMT -5
just how is it those bozos at Marquette can afford to pay Crean so much money and still make money on the program? What are they doing that we aren't? Is I-AA football causing us to lose so much money? Yeah, it is the lavishly issued Nikes that must be given back at the end of the year (mmmm, used shoes) that do it. ;D |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 22, 2006 14:43:21 GMT -5
Gotta be Wittman for IU, can't imagine they would let Thomas screw them up like he has the knicks and the CBA. As for Dixon, he might want to be able to try to build his own program, rather than having the rep of simply piggybacking onto howland's recruits and success.
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Post by HealyHoya on Mar 22, 2006 14:53:44 GMT -5
thebin, I do in fact know that Pitt is a state school. (Sister receiving PhD from said institution was educational for whole family, evidently). Massive? Not really. If Pitt at 17,000 undergrads is massive, then what is ASU at 39,000 undergrads?
Next, in terms of being an attractive place to coach, your academic tier really isn't relevant. Perhaps the college sports landscape would be much improved if academic success tied more closely to athletic success, but it is largely irrelevant.
Ditto endowment. Although I'd rather have Pitts endowment versus ASU's, endowment size really isn't an indicator for college athletics. You must be willing to spend money on sports (Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, etc.) not simply have it (Harvard, Yale, et al.)
Finally,
Pitts athletic department budget: $5,033,098
ASU's: $16,000,000
Look, I don't hate Pitt -- and I really don't care if Dizon leaves, although he is a good coach -- I'm just saying the ASU job is attractive.
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