the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 10, 2006 21:38:26 GMT -5
syracuse didnt want the game more than us they just didnt go to the line at the end like us... they got the calls unlike us... they played a good zone unlike us... we lost to gtown didnt lose to syracuse 2nite THEY got the calls? What game were you watching in the 2nd half? We weren't even in the penalty for fouls at the end. What are you talking about? The refs were on our side on this game. They had a tight whistle on cuse. If you make half the many free throws we missed, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 10, 2006 21:42:28 GMT -5
"Jumping off the bandwagon"........are you sure you know what a bandwagon is? It is when a team has some success and attracts larger numbers of fans. When those fans jump off that bandwagon, that means they go away or stop rooting for the team. I would guess there will be a near record number of postings about this game from a huge number of people. Are those people angry, negative and critical? Most of them will be, because they are STILL FANS. If they weren't they wouldn't still be here. When the day comes that we lose a game like this and then get about 5 posts about it.......that's when people have "jumped off the bandwagon". As far as I am concerned, I've been on the "bandwagon" since 1982 and if I haven't jumped yet, I don't think I am going to- I would guess the same is true of most everyone else here.......except the 1982 part- some of you weren't even born then. I was only 10, so I'm not THAT old.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Mar 10, 2006 21:42:55 GMT -5
Did someone just say the Cuse was getting the calls?? Edge did you watch the game?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 10, 2006 21:43:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure it was intentional stall ball. SU adjusted their zone at halftime to clog the FT line and prevent the high-low looks. SU's guards did a great job of preventing Hoya guards' penetration at the top of the key. Is it just me, or did John Wallace not see much PT late in the game? I guess it was in an effort to put Sapp or Owens on McNamara and Devendorf, but it killed the offense.
Even with all that, the Hoyas hit those FTs down the stretch and we are talking about who they're playing Sat night.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 10, 2006 21:46:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure it was intentional stall ball. SU adjusted their zone at halftime to clog the FT line and prevent the high-low looks. SU's guards did a great job of preventing Hoya guards' penetration at the top of the key. Is it just me, or did John Wallace not see much PT late in the game? I guess it was in an effort to put Sapp or Owens on McNamara and Devendorf, but it killed the offense. Even with all that, the Hoyas hit those FTs down the stretch and we are talking about who they're playing Sat night. Or if we don't turn the ball over twice in the last 30 seconds. ;D
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 10, 2006 21:48:15 GMT -5
Even with all that, the Hoyas hit those FTs down the stretch and we are talking about who they're playing Sat night. pretty much. this is the only thing I'm mad about. did folks actually think Cuse was going to pack it in after halftime?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 10, 2006 21:48:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure it was intentional stall ball. SU adjusted their zone at halftime to clog the FT line and prevent the high-low looks. SU's guards did a great job of preventing Hoya guards' penetration at the top of the key. Is it just me, or did John Wallace not see much PT late in the game? I guess it was in an effort to put Sapp or Owens on McNamara and Devendorf, but it killed the offense. Even with all that, the Hoyas hit those FTs down the stretch and we are talking about who they're playing Sat night. Dan, I've considered that. Except... III never called that angry time out when people aren't executing. We never adjusted. No player ever deviated and attempted to score early in the clock. It was like clockwork that we'd swing it until 10 seconds. If someone did have an open lane before that they'd pass up the layup to dish outside. If it wasn't dictated, our entire team of players are..well, I won't go there, but not only are our players ahem but so is the staff. We never attacked until desperation time. Never.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 10, 2006 21:49:48 GMT -5
good thread, sir....I agree 100% btw..Pac > BIG...RIP to both though Oh yeah, Pac is the GOAT, man. He is the best ever. Biggie was still sick with it though.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 21:49:49 GMT -5
757 i think we all knew they were gonna have a comeback but again idont think ne1 thot that all that would happen and wed go down
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 10, 2006 21:51:59 GMT -5
syracuse didnt want the game more than us they just didnt go to the line at the end like us... they got the calls unlike us... they played a good zone unlike us... we lost to gtown didnt lose to syracuse 2nite THEY got the calls? What game were you watching in the 2nd half? We weren't even in the penalty for fouls at the end. What are you talking about? The refs were on our side on this game. They had a tight whistle on cuse. If you make half the many free throws we missed, we wouldn't be having this conversation. They were just merely calling the fouls we should have gotten in the 1st half when we were getting raped. Like I said, they didn't cost us the game. But it was still entire inconsistent and a couple of blown calls in the 1st half prevented the halftime lead from being at least 20.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 21:54:50 GMT -5
agree with ur statement there completely Rock but when are we gonna get the break and let the other teams get homered against us?
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Post by corkay on Mar 10, 2006 21:55:00 GMT -5
FYI Way, it was Hibbert not DJ who allowed Gmacs 3. Stall-Ball absolutely KILLEd the team in the 2nd half of this game, it allowed Cuse to gradually push the zone further out because the Hoyas were not looking at the basket until late in the shot clock.... They played not to lose instead of playing to win. that method very rarely works
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 21:57:06 GMT -5
no ur thinking of the wrong 3 corkay the last 3 gmac hit was all dj he backed up letting gmac have the shot
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 10, 2006 21:58:28 GMT -5
FYI Way, it was Hibbert not DJ who allowed Gmacs 3. Stall-Ball absolutely KILLEd the team in the 2nd half of this game, it allowed Cuse to gradually push the zone further out because the Hoyas were not looking at the basket until late in the shot clock.... They played not to lose instead of playing to win. that method very rarely works Hibbert contested GMAC's shot. Watch the replay again. You can see DJ backing off of Gerry as he was driving. Elmore pointed this out and said he was dumbfounded why G-town let McNamara do that.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Mar 10, 2006 21:59:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure it was intentional stall ball. SU adjusted their zone at halftime to clog the FT line and prevent the high-low looks. SU's guards did a great job of preventing Hoya guards' penetration at the top of the key. Is it just me, or did John Wallace not see much PT late in the game? I guess it was in an effort to put Sapp or Owens on McNamara and Devendorf, but it killed the offense. Even with all that, the Hoyas hit those FTs down the stretch and we are talking about who they're playing Sat night. Hey man, you're stealing my material: Same brilliant analysis posted 10 minues earlier
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 10, 2006 21:59:32 GMT -5
Good Lord, we looked like UConn on that play!
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 10, 2006 21:59:34 GMT -5
me neither Edge, but this is only Team I have ever rooted for & just some of the comments are amazing, esp. considering where we were just 2 years ago. I love Esh & the previous staff, but we might not even be in NYC if they were still Coaching us..
no doubt, the_way
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 10, 2006 21:59:36 GMT -5
agree with ur statement there completely Rock but when are we gonna get the break and let the other teams get homered against us? In all honesty, I believe we got a ton of breaks in the first Cuse game at MCI. It's just a shame a tiny percentage of America saw that game on Full Court, and everyone saw that garbage tonight.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 22:01:51 GMT -5
agree Rock we did get some calls at that game but if i can remember so did nichols and roberts down low in hibber that night... tonight we got homered its fair to say that but again we didnt make the fts when they mattered and that equals a loss
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 10, 2006 22:06:30 GMT -5
Even with all that, the Hoyas hit those FTs down the stretch and we are talking about who they're playing Sat night. Dan, I've considered that. Except... III never called that angry time out when people aren't executing. We never adjusted. No player ever deviated and attempted to score early in the clock. It was like clockwork that we'd swing it until 10 seconds. If someone did have an open lane before that they'd pass up the layup to dish outside. If it wasn't dictated, our entire team of players are..well, I won't go there, but not only are our players ahem but so is the staff. We never attacked until desperation time. Never.[/quote] The best/most consistent attacker against zones, Wallace, was not in the game late in the second half. The only reason I can see is for defensive purposes (Sapp and Owens are quicker) - but that did not really pay dividends. And III did not have the extra timeoutS because they were burned earlier in the game (another Elmore great point when the Hoyas called a TO in a scrum when the possession arrow was in their favor).
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