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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 16, 2006 22:57:23 GMT -5
I am convinced that we will be a better team when Bowman and Cook graduate. They are just two of the most inconsistent basketball players that I have ever seen. I actually applaud JTIII. This team will be MUCH better when the ersherick players are finally gone. Last year all over again.
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Post by hoya95 on Feb 16, 2006 22:59:23 GMT -5
Really tough loss. But you hate to see them lose their poise and look so frazzled for so much of this game. Roy was great, but that was about it.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:00:11 GMT -5
We have lost our momentum. Okay, these were two tough games and maybe the guys are tired. But we have to reverse our direction now. How can Jeff only get two points? The 3 was not on again. These two factors have to be on to win. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by hoyabands on Feb 16, 2006 23:01:01 GMT -5
that was a ridiculous game. ive never seen roy be more vocal with his teammates. on more than one occasion he looked totally Editeded off and was telling them to get him the ball. when they did, good things happened. awful game...hopefully we can get our heads straight before sunday.
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Post by IlladelpHoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:01:19 GMT -5
Wow. That play with 35 seconds left looked disturbingly like the "double fist." I am embarrassed. NO WAY we are a Sweet 16 team judging by the last 3 halves. Dumb plays but also an inability to adapt to the situation. Ultimately, it's the players who bear the burden of executing, but does the coaching staff need to accept some blame for this one?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 16, 2006 23:02:54 GMT -5
We have lost our momentum. Okay, these were two tough games and maybe the guys are tired. But we have to reverse our direction now. How can Jeff only get two points? The 3 was not on again. These two factors have to be on to win. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) You could tell the 3s weren't on. I could tell the 3s weren't on. Why couldn't Ashanti Cook as he passed up the easy entry pass time after time after time? I love Ashanti, but this was simply the worst game by a guard I have ever seen. He honestly looked like he didn't care to run the offense today -- just jack em up. Where's the team that won seven in a row? This game would've been a blowout.
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Post by hchoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:06:28 GMT -5
Can last ear repeat and we see ourselves in the NIT? If this happens I might have ot say that I might have to quit, I don't want to but I might have to if we dont reach the NCAAs
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:08:34 GMT -5
This team is mentally done. JT3 has to give these guys some time off. They looked like they were paralyzed overthinking on offense. No one knew what to do, what not to do. Nova is a loss and frankly I don't care, because the last 3 are what matters. Hopefully, these guys can take a step back realize the sky is not falling and play with the composure we saw just a week ago.
I have to agree with a previous post, Cook and Bowman are really small when we need them down the stretch of these late season games. Where is the senior leadership this time of year?
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Post by paranoia2 on Feb 16, 2006 23:08:55 GMT -5
Outcoached by a desperate Crean. They switched defenses enough to confuse us and they were desperate. No way Roy shouldn't get the ball down low in the last 2 minutes with the game tied and slow white guy (that Majerus was verbally fellating) guarding him. At the very least he would have got fouled. Don't get down on the players they'll be back. Real hostile environment also.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 16, 2006 23:11:59 GMT -5
I hate to say it but this team has hit a wall both physically and mentally. I know JT3 said burnout would not happen again this year, but the 2nd half of the WVU game and for most of this game, the only guy that looked fresh and hungry was Hibbert. He actually tired himself out sealing his man each time down the court to no avail as these guards act like he has hands of stone so they won't throw it to him unless they can't see a defensive man at all. I haven't thought JT3 has been outcoached this year, but tonight I think he too is mentally fatigued. You have to go deeper in your bench if your starters will not get the ball(not even try) to your most potent weapon tonight. Teams now are playing a sagging defense. When the ball goes in to Green at the top of the key they don't react. they know he is not going to make a quick move to the basket. They know he is going to read their overreaction looking for a back door pass. The result is Green has to dribble out of the lane before a 3 second call is made. Where the hell is Crawford? What did he do to be relegated to the end of the bench?
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Feb 16, 2006 23:14:17 GMT -5
I would not at all mind if Cook was benched for Sapp Sunday just to make a point.
The next time he holds the ball over his head as if to make the entry pass with Roy open and then decides to swing it outside instead I'm going to kill myself.
This is also two straight games were after cutting the lead down/taking the lead at the end of the game we can't even gets shots off. Simply horrible.
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Post by 3556reservoir on Feb 16, 2006 23:19:59 GMT -5
There's plenty of blame to go around. Marquette looked bad, but they looked bad starting 3 freshman, 2 of whom run their offense. We looked worse. We went through multiple scoring droughts of 4 minutes or more, and went for ages without even attempting a 2-point basket. And why? Because we made every one we took to start the game? Say huh?
We all love JTIII, but this one has to fall to him, both for the game management (not DEMANDING that his team penetrate and stop taking threes) and the fatigue (assuming that's true, which it appears to be). Cook was brutal, Green completely disappeared against inferior players, and Bowman, as always, had a hard time keeping his head in the game. It was ugly. Wallace, Hibber, Sapp and Egerson were all decent bright spots if you are concerned about next season, but this game never should have been this close. After the loss to 'Nova, we're dropping out of the top 20, and after watching the last three halves, I think it's clear we deserve to.
People will complain about the refs, but they really shouldn't. We didn't get cheated out of anything. We choked.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Feb 16, 2006 23:20:23 GMT -5
shanti pleaz comeback idk who switched bodies with you along with jeff
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 16, 2006 23:26:23 GMT -5
Wow. That play with 35 seconds left looked disturbingly like the "double fist." I am embarrassed. NO WAY we are a Sweet 16 team judging by the last 3 halves. Dumb plays but also an inability to adapt to the situation. Ultimately, it's the players who bear the burden of executing, but does the coaching staff need to accept some blame for this one? ABSOLUTELY. This one's on JTIII -- nothing coherent happened in the last four minutes, and it doesn't seem like the players aren't listening to him. He can't be drawing up all that chuck and duck. A good team would have beaten them by 25 tonight. Cook and Owens are mediocre talents who haven't gotten better with age. Bowman is a good prospect -- for the USBL. At this rate they'll all be on the bench by Senior Night. And boy, do they need a point guard -- a real one, not Jonathan Wallace. Sorry, folks, but over the past four years this crew has lost many more games like this than they've won, and everything I saw tonight tells me that nothing's really changed. The seniors have no history of winning, why would that change now? Maybe they squeeze out another couple of wins to crawl into the tournament, but it will be a short stay. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 16, 2006 23:29:54 GMT -5
I'm as pessimistic as anyone, but does anyone remember Brandon drilling a shot to go to overtime at Cuse? Ashanti hitting the game-winner at Pitt? Brandon blocking JJ Redick then finishing off with two key FTs? DJ carrying us versus St. John's?
I agree that the seniors are maddeningly inconsistent (then again, Jeff was pretty bad, today, too), but they aren't BAD players. They don't always choke down the stretch.
This is a team game, and the team looks awful. Because five of the top six players didn't come to play. Only three of those five are seniors.
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Post by doublehoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:33:44 GMT -5
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
No it isn't. Shut your pie-holes, you bunch of chicken littles.
Tonight's game sucked. There's still a lot more basketball to be played before Selection Sunday.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:36:20 GMT -5
I thought of the perfect way to describe Jon's defense, to use a quote from Top Gun:
"We went like this, he went like that. I say to Hollywood: Where'd he go? Hollywood says: where'd who go?"
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Post by IlladelpHoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:36:42 GMT -5
You know, you're right, SF ... I do remember Brandon not knowing where his feet were during that Cuse game.
No, the sky is not falling, but that team looked bad tonight, and it wasn't just execution. It was a lack of composure and an inability to adapt.
Frankly, it looked at times like a lack of motivation. Can that be? It's a long season, but it ain't that long and they're on 4 days rest.
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Post by shemshaun on Feb 16, 2006 23:41:43 GMT -5
For those, such as myself, needing a diversion: JTIII's tie, a tribute to the Carnaseca Sweater or to Hoosier coach Mike Davis, who wore a tie of a similar color and pattern in a clip run on the halftime show? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by lsty33 on Feb 16, 2006 23:42:48 GMT -5
Our team CANNOT shoot three's. Period. After you have scoring droughts from taking three after three you would think that some of the players and especially the coach would do something. But what do they do instead? Take out Roy or not pass him the ball when he is the most consistent and effective player. Brandon and Ashanti and Darrell are just flat out selfish. Brandon will do anything to try and make a shot rather than pass the ball to Roy, only to get a turnover or a travel violation. The blame should go to the coach for this loss. He should have gone to Roy and to 2-pointers rather than being his nervous self hoping for threes to fall. They don't, we dig a deeper hole and then we lose. The seniors need to be on the bench next game because they can't play. Darrell should replace Brandon even though he isnt good but at least he doesn't sabotage the team's efforst for his own personal agenda and points every game. What can you expect from seniors who are playing to gather what little prospects they have of playing at the next level. This was not a team tonight, it was a show. This team will be much better when the seniors graduate because the coach does not seem to realize that they are the problem and furthermore has not taught them anything.
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