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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 2, 2024 14:20:00 GMT -5
But i also understand you can only schedule so many FCS programs and Sgarlata is doing this without schollies in a schollie league. There were 77 games last weekend involving I-AA/FCS teams (the Ivies don't start for two weeks). Of these 49 were "guarantee games" where the school picks up a check for the travel. FCS teams were a combined 2-47 in those games (winners: Montana State over New Mexico, Villanova over Youngstown St.) None of these FBS schools want to schedule Georgetown. Taking out HBCU classic games, midwestern Pioneer teams which schedule Division II/III games to start the season, and a handful of rivalry games and conference matchups, what was left among the schools accessible by a bus trip? The usual suspects: Marist, Sacred Heart, Monmouth, VMI, etc. This leaves Sgarlata these choices: 1. Find a Northeastern team that didn't get a guarantee game that would still want to play Georgetown at their home, whoever that may be; 2. Find an interested HBCU (hint: it's not Howard) and travel to do so; 3. Schedule a Division II/III team; 4. Schedule one of the two Pioneer teams in the region; or 5. Take a third bye week and play a 10 game season.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Sept 2, 2024 16:37:06 GMT -5
But i also understand you can only schedule so many FCS programs and Sgarlata is doing this without schollies in a schollie league. There were 77 games last weekend involving I-AA/FCS teams (the Ivies don't start for two weeks). Of these 49 were "guarantee games" where the school picks up a check for the travel. FCS teams were a combined 2-47 in those games (winners: Montana State over New Mexico, Villanova over Youngstown St.) None of these FBS schools want to schedule Georgetown. Taking out HBCU classic games, midwestern Pioneer teams which schedule Division II/III games to start the season, and a handful of rivalry games and conference matchups, what was left among the schools accessible by a bus trip? The usual suspects: Marist, Sacred Heart, Monmouth, VMI, etc. This leaves Sgarlata these choices: 1. Find a Northeastern team that didn't get a guarantee game that would still want to play Georgetown at their home, whoever that may be; 2. Find an interested HBCU (hint: it's not Howard) and travel to do so; 3. Schedule a Division II/III team; 4. Schedule one of the two Pioneer teams in the region; or 5. Take a third bye week and play a 10 game season. Hi DFW! What’s the deal with Howard and lack of interest?!? What if GU offered a multi-year men’s hoop series in return for a football 🏈 scheduling commitment over same timeframe?!?
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Sept 2, 2024 19:43:15 GMT -5
I think DFW means we have no interest in Howard but i could be wrong about that.
I frankly have more interest in Howard than any of this year’s first 3 opponents.
We of course played them for a decade recently. Not sure who walked away from the Defend the District thing. Wasn’t that part?
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Post by thebin on Sept 2, 2024 19:54:39 GMT -5
The more i think about it the more i think dfw probably did mean Howard is not interested in us. If that’s the case, to hell with them. It’s probably because they couldn’t beat us the way they thought they could before the series happened.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 2, 2024 19:55:35 GMT -5
I think DFW means we have no interest in Howard but i could be wrong about that. I frankly have more interest in Howard than any of this year’s first 3 opponents. We of course played them for a decade recently. Not sure who walked away from the Defend the District thing. Wasn’t that part? We have only played Howard three times: Howard University (2-1-0) 9/7/2008 W 12 7 Howard Washington, DC Greene Stadium 9/26/2009 L 11 14 Howard Washington, DC Multi-Sport Field 10/15/2011 W 21 3 Howard Washington, DC Greene Stadium I think Howard has not been particularly interested in playing us over the last decade, preferring instead to use their non-conference slots on guarantee games against FBS schools (like Rutgers this year), other HBCUs (Morehouse), or Ivy League schools with high-prestige name value (Harvard, Princeton, etc.). However, they are also playing Sacred Heart this year, so they have a spot that we could slot into. My hope is that swimming, of all things, spurs both sides to reconsider. The Battle at the Burr is obviously a very specific thing, given the various historical and cultural currents around swimming and African-Americans/HBCUs and Howard's unique role. But anything that gets the two schools to see each other as DC's two leading collegiate pillars and brands (sorry GW, AU, Catholic, Gallaudet, UDC, and Trinity...did I miss anyone? NDU? lol), different in many ways but alike in their unique set of aspirations... My ideal state would be Georgetown and Howard as a kind of Army/Navy for FCS - "friendly fields of strife" type stuff. The community service day that was attached to at least one of the games was a brilliant idea, and I'd love to see more programming like that in order to really elevate "The Battle of the G2" into something lasting and special (ironically, the G2 bus is going to be done away with, although it will have a renamed replacement that largely serves the same function).
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Post by thebin on Sept 2, 2024 19:59:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I thought that series was longer. I feel like we won the series? It makes too much sense for this not to be annual.
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Post by thebin on Sept 2, 2024 20:02:48 GMT -5
Will be nice if Richmond brings a William and Mary w them and we can get 2 more PL games on the schedule.
Losses? Sure. But good teams !
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 2, 2024 20:45:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I thought that series was longer. I feel like we won the series? It makes too much sense for this not to be annual. Yeah, there's a much longer post that I probably will end up writing at some point about why it is that much of the athletic administration (not the head coaches, so much, but the staff) is not especially incentivized to go the extra mile, be creative, etc. (people like Chris Grosse, and Andy Rowdon before him, being the exceptions that prove the rule... and sure, we'll throw Steve Alleva in there as well). On some level, it's hard to tell how much longer any of this will matter or be 'a thing' given the tectonic shifts in college sports... but given all the uncertainty, what else can you do but keep trying to improve?
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Post by thebin on Sept 2, 2024 22:34:30 GMT -5
So….how was the crowd Saturday? I am guessing much larger than 0?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 3, 2024 9:47:29 GMT -5
Just opinion here, but I see three reasons that a Georgetown series isn't there:
1. Howard Doesn't Want It: The original two game series was set up by the late Dwight Datcher when he was AD at Howard, but the school and fan base never warmed to it. The Mecca doesn't see Georgetown University as a rival, and doesn't want to. I recall attending the 2009 game at Multi-Sport and remarking how few Howard fans bothered to show up--maybe less than 100. They didn't even send the band. There was a second effort to arrange a series in 2019 but Howard canceled it to collect a check and lose 79-0 to Maryland.
2. Scheduling Philosophy: Out of conference HBCU football tends to follow a familiar scheduling pattern: 1) add guarantee games against FBS schools when available, 2) schedule down (e.g. Division II HBCU's) when necessary and 3) add predominately white institutions (PWI) in case of a schedule gap. MEAC schools like Morgan State have only five conference games, so they need help: their 2024 schedule features a guarantee game (Ohio), a Division II HBCU, a non-NCAA HBCU program in Virginia-Lynchburg (enrollment: 400), but also at Stony Brook, and home vs. Merrimack. They will play Georgetown next year as a return game from 2021 which drew just 576 in Baltimore but it does not look to be extended after that. Delaware State played Georgetown to fill a gap in its 2021 schedule but that was it.
3. Fan Interest: Much as they tried to make the "DC Mayor's Cup" a bigger deal than it was, there was really no local interest in the game. The most recent meeting in 2011 drew just 1,891 to Greene Stadium. Much the same can be said in basketball, where the series at Capital One Arena is almost all Georgetown fans.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 3, 2024 11:05:42 GMT -5
Just opinion here, but I see three reasons that a Georgetown series isn't there: 1. Howard Doesn't Want It: The original two game series was set up by the late Dwight Datcher when he was AD at Howard, but the school and fan base never warmed to it. The Mecca doesn't see Georgetown University as a rival, and doesn't want to. I recall attending the 2009 game at Multi-Sport and remarking how few Howard fans bothered to show up--maybe less than 100. They didn't even send the band. There was a second effort to arrange a series in 2019 but Howard canceled it to collect a check and lose 79-0 to Maryland. 2. Scheduling Philosophy: Out of conference HBCU football tends to follow a familiar scheduling pattern: 1) add guarantee games against FBS schools when available, 2) schedule down (e.g. Division II HBCU's) when necessary and 3) add predominately white institutions (PWI) in case of a schedule gap. MEAC schools like Morgan State have only five conference games, so they need help: their 2024 schedule features a guarantee game (Ohio), a Division II HBCU, a non-NCAA HBCU program in Virginia-Lynchburg (enrollment: 400), but also at Stony Brook, and home vs. Merrimack. They will play Georgetown next year as a return game from 2021 which drew just 576 in Baltimore but it does not look to be extended after that. Delaware State played Georgetown to fill a gap in its 2021 schedule but that was it. 3. Fan Interest: Much as they tried to make the "DC Mayor's Cup" a bigger deal than it was, there was really no local interest in the game. The most recent meeting in 2011 drew just 1,891 to Greene Stadium. Much the same can be said in basketball, where the series at Capital One Arena is almost all Georgetown fans. This is why I pointed to the Battle at the Burr. Sometimes, there's a huge upswell of completely organic fan interest, sure. But more often than not, you have to help stimulate that interest. They've done that with the swimming showdown in a way they didn't for football. Unfortunately, one of the things that Howard shares with Georgetown is an Athletics Department that has a reputation for struggling to do more than a few things at once.
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Post by thebin on Sept 4, 2024 20:11:13 GMT -5
Just opinion here, but I see three reasons that a Georgetown series isn't there: 1. Howard Doesn't Want It: The original two game series was set up by the late Dwight Datcher when he was AD at Howard, but the school and fan base never warmed to it. The Mecca doesn't see Georgetown University as a rival, and doesn't want to. I recall attending the 2009 game at Multi-Sport and remarking how few Howard fans bothered to show up--maybe less than 100. They didn't even send the band. There was a second effort to arrange a series in 2019 but Howard canceled it to collect a check and lose 79-0 to Maryland. 2. Scheduling Philosophy: Out of conference HBCU football tends to follow a familiar scheduling pattern: 1) add guarantee games against FBS schools when available, 2) schedule down (e.g. Division II HBCU's) when necessary and 3) add predominately white institutions (PWI) in case of a schedule gap. MEAC schools like Morgan State have only five conference games, so they need help: their 2024 schedule features a guarantee game (Ohio), a Division II HBCU, a non-NCAA HBCU program in Virginia-Lynchburg (enrollment: 400), but also at Stony Brook, and home vs. Merrimack. They will play Georgetown next year as a return game from 2021 which drew just 576 in Baltimore but it does not look to be extended after that. Delaware State played Georgetown to fill a gap in its 2021 schedule but that was it. 3. Fan Interest: Much as they tried to make the "DC Mayor's Cup" a bigger deal than it was, there was really no local interest in the game. The most recent meeting in 2011 drew just 1,891 to Greene Stadium. Much the same can be said in basketball, where the series at Capital One Arena is almost all Georgetown fans. To the extent all that is true honestly to hell with them then.
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