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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 20, 2024 16:47:00 GMT -5
Agree. and specifically... Sorber - will get time Hanaikouna - will get time especially if Fielder moves to the 4 Diouf - good candidate for very light minutes based on the chatter Mulready - will get time but should be limited based on strength of Mack and Epps...unless there is an injury Drew McKenna & Caleb Williams - will probably see time at the back-up 3 and 4 depending on the situation. I would guess McKenna would see more time based on his scoring, but I wouldn't be surprised if Caleb Williams good overall skill set become really needed at times. Or Caleb might be like Diouf. I've seen Caleb Williams mentioned as the backup PG all the way up to the backup 4. I hope he is as ready as everyone here suggests, but my guess is there is a bigger gap between he and McKenna in terms of position at the 4. If Fielder gets in foul trouble, I would imagine McKenna is the main backup or we go small and play Peavy at the 4. I've seen little reference on here as to where Curtis Williams sits on the depth chart. As a former Top 100 and sharpshooter, given we may be in need of some shooters to space the floor, I would imagine he will be a candidate for sizeable minutes if he can find his HS shooting form. Anybody who is sharpshooter will get real minutes. I am not sure who that will be, but we have a lot of guys who could grow into that role. For example, Curtis Williams was touted in high school as a good three point shooter*, but then declined significantly in college. But if he can shoot from three at 39% like he did in high school, there will be a big place for him. I know there's been a lot of focus on the front court and for good reason, but I think one of the big unknowns is whether any of our guards/forwards will step it up in shooting efficiently. If anybody does, they'll deserve a bunch of minutes. *Hopefully Williams can rediscover his stroke from three. I am just a beleaguered Georgetown fan recalling all the "three point specialists" of the last 10-15 years who never shot well from three. |
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 20, 2024 18:46:25 GMT -5
I've seen Caleb Williams mentioned as the backup PG all the way up to the backup 4. I hope he is as ready as everyone here suggests, but my guess is there is a bigger gap between he and McKenna in terms of position at the 4. If Fielder gets in foul trouble, I would imagine McKenna is the main backup or we go small and play Peavy at the 4. I've seen little reference on here as to where Curtis Williams sits on the depth chart. As a former Top 100 and sharpshooter, given we may be in need of some shooters to space the floor, I would imagine he will be a candidate for sizeable minutes if he can find his HS shooting form. Anybody who is sharpshooter will get real minutes. I am not sure who that will be, but we have a lot of guys who could grow into that role. For example, Curtis Williams was touted in high school as a good three point shooter*, but then declined significantly in college. But if he can shoot from three at 39% like he did in high school, there will be a big place for him. I know there's been a lot of focus on the front court and for good reason, but I think one of the big unknowns is whether any of our guards/forwards will step it up in shooting efficiently. If anybody does, they'll deserve a bunch of minutes. *Hopefully Williams can rediscover his stroke from three. I am just a beleaguered Georgetown fan recalling all the "three point specialists" of the last 10-15 years who never shot well from three. His rep as a shooter came from a few nice shooting games in EYBL but his overall stats aren’t good. Having said that I do like the look of his shot mechanics so there may be hope… www.thecircuithoops.com/roster_players/54345637 |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 20, 2024 22:22:40 GMT -5
With MCI championing Drew McKenna, Kayvaun Mulready has to be the most underrated player on the roster at this point, right? He's the 247 composite #72 player in the class and yet there's little discussion. I see myself more as a The Two Drews type of guy to be honest. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 20, 2024 22:27:12 GMT -5
Time for Jayden's season clips. This one comes in at almost fifty minutes!
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 21, 2024 0:55:16 GMT -5
Agree. and specifically... Sorber - will get time Hanaikouna - will get time especially if Fielder moves to the 4 Diouf - good candidate for very light minutes based on the chatter Mulready - will get time but should be limited based on strength of Mack and Epps...unless there is an injury Drew McKenna & Caleb Williams - will probably see time at the back-up 3 and 4 depending on the situation. I would guess McKenna would see more time based on his scoring, but I wouldn't be surprised if Caleb Williams good overall skill set become really needed at times. Or Caleb might be like Diouf. I've seen Caleb Williams mentioned as the backup PG all the way up to the backup 4. I hope he is as ready as everyone here suggests, but my guess is there is a bigger gap between he and McKenna in terms of position at the 4. If Fielder gets in foul trouble, I would imagine McKenna is the main backup or we go small and play Peavy at the 4. I've seen little reference on here as to where Curtis Williams sits on the depth chart. As a former Top 100 and sharpshooter, given we may be in need of some shooters to space the floor, I would imagine he will be a candidate for sizeable minutes if he can find his HS shooting form. Regarding the 4, I am guessing Burks is the alternative to Fielder. Regarding Curtis, I saw a report suggesting he might be our best defensive guard. I expect him to see minutes at 2 and 3. If he is hitting a strong percentage from 3, then he may steal minutes from McKenna as the back-up 3. Or McKenna could do the same to him. |
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 21, 2024 6:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 21, 2024 9:02:47 GMT -5
We haven’t had someone with the versatility of Peavy at the 3 in a long time.
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Post by thedragon on Aug 21, 2024 10:06:23 GMT -5
I would assume Epps Mack and Peavy when healthy will play 30-35 minutes a game. I think guessing the 4 & 5 man minutes rotation is completely up for grabs.
Sorber, Fielder, Hala could all realistically get large or small minutes at the 5.
Burks could play 10 minutes a game at the 4 or 30 if his basketball skills catch up to his raw athleticism.
Lot of options but not a lot of answers...yet.
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Post by bostonfan on Aug 21, 2024 11:56:36 GMT -5
I would assume Epps Mack and Peavy when healthy will play 30-35 minutes a game. I think guessing the 4 & 5 man minutes rotation is completely up for grabs. Sorber, Fielder, Hala could all realistically get large or small minutes at the 5. Burks could play 10 minutes a game at the 4 or 30 if his basketball skills catch up to his raw athleticism. Lot of options but not a lot of answers...yet. I hope that no one on the team this year averages 35 minutes a game. I understand that those 3 guys are probably the engine that will drive this teams offense most nights, but that amount of minutes will wear down guys as the year goes along. Playing closer to 30 minutes a game keeps them fresher and healthier, and opens up more time for the other guys to fill in as the game dictates. I hope they can find a way to have a rotation were 10 guys gets regular minutes (even if some guys are only getting 5-7 minutes a game) and keep everyone engaged. It is the staffs job to play the best players when the game is on the line so I expect Epps Mack and Peavy to be in the games at the end of all close games, but hopefully they have had some rest and don't look tired at the end of games. |
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 21, 2024 12:04:18 GMT -5
I would assume Epps Mack and Peavy when healthy will play 30-35 minutes a game. I think guessing the 4 & 5 man minutes rotation is completely up for grabs. Sorber, Fielder, Hala could all realistically get large or small minutes at the 5. Burks could play 10 minutes a game at the 4 or 30 if his basketball skills catch up to his raw athleticism. Lot of options but not a lot of answers...yet. I hope that no one on the team this year averages 35 minutes a game. I understand that those 3 guys are probably the engine that will drive this teams offense most nights, but that amount of minutes will wear down guys as the year goes along. Playing closer to 30 minutes a game keeps them fresher and healthier, and opens up more time for the other guys to fill in as the game dictates. I hope they can find a way to have a rotation were 10 guys gets regular minutes (even if some guys are only getting 5-7 minutes a game) and keep everyone engaged. It is the staffs job to play the best players when the game is on the line so I expect Epps Mack and Peavy to be in the games at the end of all close games, but hopefully they have had some rest and don't look tired at the end of games. I hope that Coach Cooley gives the bench guys more minutes in the OOC games and then ratchets back to shorten the rotations into the conference games. Whaddya call it? Load management in the NBA? |
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 21, 2024 12:22:54 GMT -5
I hope that no one on the team this year averages 35 minutes a game. I understand that those 3 guys are probably the engine that will drive this teams offense most nights, but that amount of minutes will wear down guys as the year goes along. Playing closer to 30 minutes a game keeps them fresher and healthier, and opens up more time for the other guys to fill in as the game dictates. I hope they can find a way to have a rotation were 10 guys gets regular minutes (even if some guys are only getting 5-7 minutes a game) and keep everyone engaged. It is the staffs job to play the best players when the game is on the line so I expect Epps Mack and Peavy to be in the games at the end of all close games, but hopefully they have had some rest and don't look tired at the end of games. I hope that Coach Cooley gives the bench guys more minutes in the OOC games and then ratchets back to shorten the rotations into the conference games. Whaddya call it? Load management in the NBA? That may require being in firm control of those OOC games. I hope it happens. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 21, 2024 12:26:34 GMT -5
What has Cooley done in the past?
Let's say that 8 mpg across most games is in the rotation. That's 20% of available minutes.
In 2023, Cooley had a 9 man rotation and one other player around 5 mpg. Only 1 player was close to the 35 mpg; only 2 over 75% of minutes.
In 2022, Cooley had an 8 man rotation. No players over 87.5% (35mpg equiv) but 3 players over 75%.
In 2021, Cooley had an 8 man rotation with a couple of other guys getting in the 10-20% range. Three players over 75% and one player at 90%.
In 2020, Cooley had a 9 man rotation. Two guys over 75%.
In 2019, Cooley had a 10 man rotation. One guy over 75% (87%).
In 2018, Cooley had a 10 man rotation. Three guys near 75%.
In 2017, Cooley had a 9 man rotation. Three guys near 75%.
In 2016, Cooley had an 8 man rotation. Three guys over 75%.
In 2015, Cooley had a 9 man rotation. Two guys over 75%, but Kris Dunn was at 80% and LaDontae Henton at 91%.
In 2014, Cooley played a SIX man rotation with four guys getting scraps. All five starters basically played 30 minutes or more and Bryce Cotton never sat.
In 2013, Cooley had a 9 man rotation with a 10th very close. Three guys over 75%, though with two of them close to 87.5%.
In 2012, Cooley had a 7 man rotation with a couple of guys in the sort of 10-20% range. Three players were over 90%, though.
So, Cooley plays an 8-9 man rotation most years, with occasional forays into 10. (I'm defining rotation, again, at about 8 mpg.)
A couple times early on he went really small -- in 2014, I think there were injuries. So he will play a short rotation if there's no one there. It's clearly not the preference, but 8-9 is pretty standard, not too large.
Early in his career, he played a lot of guys basically all game. But that's decreased over time. We only played 2 over 75% last year -- Styles and Epps. But it's also pretty common he plays 3 guys in that 30-35 minutes range.
If I had to guess -- 9 men at 20%/8 mpg next year with one or two more with token minutes. Epps, Mack and Peavy all play in that 75% range -- probably in the 30-35 mpg but probably closer to 32-33 than 35. Depending on the number of OTs.
I really can't see him leaving the only two upperclassmen off the court all that much.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 21, 2024 12:35:56 GMT -5
And it's also worth noting that because Mack, Epps and Peavy seem to be our PG rotation, you could conceivably back up three positions with just two or even one player. Most likely two -- but those 20-30 minutes they won't be playing don't need to be spread out to three separate players.
With youth and foul trouble, I don't expect the same to be true down low. I expect four guys there with the only real chance being is if our 3 backup is just so much better -- I could see us going small.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 21, 2024 13:05:48 GMT -5
I hope that Coach Cooley gives the bench guys more minutes in the OOC games and then ratchets back to shorten the rotations into the conference games. Whaddya call it? Load management in the NBA? That may require being in firm control of those OOC games. I hope it happens. Agreed. I am NOT expecting a loss to a Dartmouth or an Holy Cross in this OOC schedule! |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 21, 2024 16:01:01 GMT -5
And it's also worth noting that because Mack, Epps and Peavy seem to be our PG rotation, you could conceivably back up three positions with just two or even one player. Most likely two -- but those 20-30 minutes they won't be playing don't need to be spread out to three separate players. With youth and foul trouble, I don't expect the same to be true down low. I expect four guys there with the only real chance being is if our 3 backup is just so much better -- I could see us going small. I agree with this and the take on the minutes. I also appreciate the look back to Cooley's rotations. As you note, barring something unexpected like an injury, Mack, Epps, and Peavy will all likely play high minutes. It's easy to envision how one other guard could fill most the time they are on the bench. I think that is likely one of the ways in which the rotation will be limited. It would be nice to think that the OOC would provide an opportunity for Cooley to see multiple guys in game situations. But, with official practices starting fairly early, Cooley will see everyone in practice for nearly 2 months (if not longer including summer workouts, unofficial practices, etc.) before he even needs to select a roster for in-game situations. My guess is that Cooley will have a fair idea of who the guys are who end up on the bench with little minutes before we even play a game. But, guys evolve and grow so you never know. If I had to take a shot at picking the rotation guys (assuming 8-9), I would say: For Sure: Epps, Peavy, Mack, Fielder, Sorber. Likely: Halaifonua, McKenna. Maybe/Unlikely: Mulready, Burks, Diouf, Caleb Williams, Curtis Williams. If you assume that my For Sure/Likely are correct, that really only leaves room for 2 more rotation guys among Mulready, Burks, Diouf, Caleb Williams, and Curtis Williams. |
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 21, 2024 19:31:51 GMT -5
To build on these thoughts…
I think we will see Curtis for his outside shooting and his defense in the rotation. Relative to the others, he also has experience.
Lastly, I think we will see four players at the 4 and 5. I am guessing Fielder, Sorber, Hanaikouna, and Burks
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Post by bluegray79 on Aug 22, 2024 11:32:05 GMT -5
A few posters mentioned EC's interview with Hoyas Rising (I think). Would like to check that out. How can I find it?
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 22, 2024 11:57:40 GMT -5
A few posters mentioned EC's interview with Hoyas Rising (I think). Would like to check that out. How can I find it? Join Hoya Rising would be your best bet, pretty sure these are invite only zoom meet ups that aren't shared publicly. Unfortunately, the program doesn't have much interest in having the HC(or any staff member or administrator) engage with non donor/member fans during the offseason. |
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 22, 2024 14:51:22 GMT -5
So, I just went on Hoyas Rising. A couple of observations.
According to the table on the current website, memberships start at $240
Looks like a $10k donation will get a call from Coach Cooley.
$20k donation will get you a practice invite.
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Post by bluegray79 on Aug 22, 2024 16:17:52 GMT -5
A few posters mentioned EC's interview with Hoyas Rising (I think). Would like to check that out. How can I find it? Join Hoya Rising would be your best bet, pretty sure these are invite only zoom meet ups that aren't shared publicly. Unfortunately, the program doesn't have much interest in having the HC(or any staff member or administrator) engage with non donor/member fans during the offseason. Gotcha. Thanks. |
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